Valve Fremont device has appeared on Geekbench (+ more details from SadlyItsBradley)

TBF I've seen both diehard PlayStation AND Xbox fans downplaying or completely dismissing Fremont. You can take guesses as to why.


Cross-gen for 9th/10th-gen will be even longer than for 8th/9th-gen. So if Fremont has PS5-level performance that won't be a problem for a long while, and there's also the chance they may have a variant SKU with higher performance.
Platform warriors have always and will always exist and it's not unique to console either as we also have the PCMR folks that pull the same shit as the console fanboys.

Good point though on the gen crossover. It just seems weird to position such a low power GPU in a device that is meant more for living rooms where the majority of people have 4K tvs now.

Steam bros trying to convince everyone that these hardware devices are way more relevant than they truly are is far more likely, tbh. Happened in 2021, will happen again.
As I said above unfortunately platform warriors exist on every platform. On the PC side we just happen to have two groups: General PCMR, and Steam Fanboys.

The amount that pc handhelds in general get overplayed is ridiculous though. All together they have sold between 6 and 7 million with over 4 of that being Steam Deck. Hell besides the Steam Deck the PlayStation Portal has outsold every single PC gaming handheld (most of them combined) and sold faster then the Steam Deck has and it's literally just a controller with streaming display on it.
 
I ditched PS for PC/Steam in 2016 and have been happy with the switch in ecosystems. But I do miss the comfy couch console experience at times. I have a Steamdeck and love it, but there is just a bit too much friction to set it up as a streaming device to the living room TV (I can do it, it is just a little annoying to maintain) and it is just a bit too underpowered for native games. I'll be all over this if it:

- has decently good upscaling from 1080p/1440p to 4k
- HDR plays nice with my LG OLED
- VRR over HDMI 2.1 (pay the license and make it happen Valve!)
- Dolby 7.1/Atmos output

Also, I'll wishcast to the PC community to make a mod for SteamOS to make it look just like the Sony PS3 XMB...
 
Just connect your PC to your TV via HDMI, buy a dualsense and presto you have your console experience.
Star Trek Computer GIF
 
A slightly enhanced standard PS5 aimed at 1080p/1440p 60fps gaming without RT and with the advantage of having the entire Steam library at your disposal.

Dream device if you ask me.
 
Specs are a little underwhelming, but I'd be mostly be getting this for pc games that never got a console port and last gen console games that never got a current gen remaster (on pc, crank up the graphics settings and resolution BAM remaster). Easy emulation would be nice too. If there will be current gen games that would look better on this device than my ps5 or series x, that would be a huge bonus. Would sell my series x to help pay for this device for sure.
 
That's just plain weak. Why are they going with hardware like that for a TV device? Should've been out like 5 or more years ago. This will run games worse than current gen consoles.

Not if they sell it for $299.

A device that will play all my steam games better than my Steam Eeck while at the same time syncing perfectly across two devices? Day 1.
You don't want a weak PC plugged into a big 4K TV, can't compare it to a Deck where you have a lowres small screen. The power needs to be way higher than this to brute force past the lack of proper optimization. Just build your own small form factor PC. This is below even DF Alex's dumb "console-equivalent" PC's that nobody serious would ever use.
 
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That's just plain weak. Why are they going with hardware like that for a TV device? Should've been out like 5 or more years ago. This will run games worse than current gen consoles.


You don't want a weak PC plugged into a big 4K TV, can't compare it to a Deck where you have a lowres small screen. The power needs to be way higher than this to brute force past the lack of proper optimization. Just build your own small form factor PC. This is below even DF Alex's dumb "console-equivalent" PC's that nobody serious would ever use.
Any suggestions for something below 800€?
 
That's just plain weak. Why are they going with hardware like that for a TV device? Should've been out like 5 or more years ago. This will run games worse than current gen consoles.


You don't want a weak PC plugged into a big 4K TV, can't compare it to a Deck where you have a lowres small screen. The power needs to be way higher than this to brute force past the lack of proper optimization. Just build your own small form factor PC. This is below even DF Alex's dumb "console-equivalent" PC's that nobody serious would ever use.
If it is a cheap price people will find a way to enjoy it. My nephew used the open source AMD drivers on Linux with hacks that enable RTGI on Vega GPU on DOOM: The Dark Ages and Indiana Jones: The Great Circle and he thoroughly enjoyed both games.

If the price is low and you get easy open access to tons of mods of all kinds and retro PC games on TV easily with a super adaptable controller, it will have a good market. A little bit more grunt than Steam Deck and it can run RT effects in Hogwarts Legacy too.
 
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The best of consoles and the best of PCs with the entire steam library at hand, and most likely affordable due to not using some overpowered bullshit hardware. Thanks Valve.
 
A Console that can't play FortNite, Madden NFL, EA FC, COD, Battlefield, GTA, Minecraft, and no Gamepass.

If it doesn't die by itself, the next gen Xbox Magnus will kill it completely.
The steam deck ain't targeting people who finds it hard to open the control panel to update their graphics drivers, but rather enthusiasts who knows basic stuff like how to turn on a pc.

You can install windows on it if you want to, and play those titles just fine.
 
Platform warriors have always and will always exist and it's not unique to console either as we also have the PCMR folks that pull the same shit as the console fanboys.

Good point though on the gen crossover. It just seems weird to position such a low power GPU in a device that is meant more for living rooms where the majority of people have 4K tvs now.


As I said above unfortunately platform warriors exist on every platform. On the PC side we just happen to have two groups: General PCMR, and Steam Fanboys.

The amount that pc handhelds in general get overplayed is ridiculous though. All together they have sold between 6 and 7 million with over 4 of that being Steam Deck. Hell besides the Steam Deck the PlayStation Portal has outsold every single PC gaming handheld (most of them combined) and sold faster then the Steam Deck has and it's literally just a controller with streaming display on it.
You're obsessed with sales, the portal is a much more mainstream device at a different price point. Steamdeck is a more enthusiast device more aimed at nerds on gaming forums like here, so you're gonna get a lot of fans of it on here, it's that simple.
 
You're obsessed with sales, the portal is a much more mainstream device at a different price point. Steamdeck is a more enthusiast device more aimed at nerds on gaming forums like here, so you're gonna get a lot of fans of it on here, it's that simple.
I'm not obsessed with sales. I bring these sales up because people act like these handhelds are much bigger then they are.

They are great devices (some of them at least) but they aren't as big as people think they are. People have this very inflated enthusiast viewpoint on a lot of things.

The point I'm trying to get across is that outside of streamers and YouTubers who have something to gain by talking about them and enthusiast gaming forums they aren't very common overall.

Plus my post was directly responding to somebody criticizing steam bros for trying to make hardware seem more relevant then they are which I would presume includes Steam Deck.

Personally I find Steam Deck sales to be impressive and a success.
 
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Probably too low spec for me to care about, but anything that kills off windows is worth it. This thing won't compete with consoles as a sole gaming device, but as a second PC that eliminates the need for PC players to buy a console for a handful of games it might work out great.
 
I'm totally shocked that a forum full of nerds where people act like a 4070 is old and busted would think that this hardware is too weak and people should just "build their own" that ends up costing more, is uglier, bigger, and has more potential failure points. Talk about blinkered thinking.

Remember that Valve has information on basically every computer that connects to Steam and plays games. They know all of that. They know how Steam Deck is selling in spite of far more powerful devices existing on the market. They built their device based on that. It's like they know that gamers don't really care as much about power as PC gaming nerds do.
 
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Platform warriors have always and will always exist and it's not unique to console either as we also have the PCMR folks that pull the same shit as the console fanboys.

Good point though on the gen crossover. It just seems weird to position such a low power GPU in a device that is meant more for living rooms where the majority of people have 4K tvs now.

Well FWIW, I went to a Steam subreddit and people were pointing out how Steam Deck's prototype was weaker than the final version. I.e the prototype had an RDNA 1 GPU but the final Steam Deck used RDNA 2. So it could be a very similar pattern here with Fremont.

Also, some are saying Valve won't announce this until they announce Deckard (I don't even know what that is) and Steam Deck 2, and that Steam Deck 2 would likely be releasing before Fremont. Steam Deck 2 is probably still at least a year away, maybe a bit more, so Fremont's likely to be a 2027 device. That gives a lot of room for spec bumps in various areas; for all we know that may have already happened but there's no listing for another variant that can be cribbed for leaks ATM.

As I said above unfortunately platform warriors exist on every platform. On the PC side we just happen to have two groups: General PCMR, and Steam Fanboys.

The amount that pc handhelds in general get overplayed is ridiculous though. All together they have sold between 6 and 7 million with over 4 of that being Steam Deck. Hell besides the Steam Deck the PlayStation Portal has outsold every single PC gaming handheld (most of them combined) and sold faster then the Steam Deck has and it's literally just a controller with streaming display on it.

It is worth stressing that none of those PC handhelds have done anywhere near the type of advertising mainstream consoles like PlayStation, Nintendo, or even Xbox have done. A lot of those PC handhelds aren't even sold in physical retail outlets.

Those two things alone would put a major limit on number of manufactured devices, and thus sales.

I'll get one for sure.

Don't think these devices are much of a threat to consoles though.

Well, when they aren't being produced in volumes of 5-10 million/year with big traditional advertising, and normalized distribution in physical retail chains, then yeah they aren't going to be much a threat to consoles.

But I think the growth of this market segment is a given, and it'll be a matter of when, not if, they start truly encroaching on traditional console sales markets. With the pricing pattern of consoles this gen, combined with 2 of the 3 platform holders either going fully multiplat or increasingly treading into that direction, those types of things just make consolized PC devices more appealing IMHO.

There have finally been breakthroughs in UI & QOL with these devices to mimic a traditional console experience, alongside various resource optimizations and software library compatibility. And right now, Steam Deck & Steam OS are the pinnacle on this front. That's why I think they're in the driver's seat in terms of being the best chance this emerging market can see big growth.

That's in spite of what Microsoft's attempting to do because honestly, MS's poor track record as a console platform holder is still there, and there's no reason to assume they'll get it right with these Xbox PC devices. If their size was to an advantage, Series S & X would be a lot better off today, and Microsoft Store would be the premier place for PC gaming instead of storefronts like Steam (and even ones like EGS & GOG dwarf Microsoft Store for PC gaming). So they have a LOT to prove still IMHO.
 
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