AbsolutBro
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You're putting words in my mouth. I did not say "day one is not super useful", I said that there "is not a lot to go on, so it's mostly down to gut reads".
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Vampire the Mafia |OT| A Game of Masquerade
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You're putting words in my mouth. I did not say "day one is not super useful", I said that there "is not a lot to go on, so it's mostly down to gut reads".
Yeah, I said "to the extent of". I know you literally didn't say that exact quote.
This, pretty much.
I think that a Day One No-Lynch is the best possible result for scum -- 0% of being killed, while they get to attempt a kill of their own with impunity -- so even though there's almost no information to go from, it's still better to lynch an innocent player than to keep waiting for more information.
Aren't we all soulless monsters anyway?
infinit777
Member
but what if the death is an innocent, how is that better?
(I know i voted a lynch already, i am just curious)
how many days do you let him say whatever he feels like? It can't go on forever and by the time you realize he's scum town's in a fucked position because you let him coast because he's blarg and he posts funny bullshit.
That's definitely been Bro's MO this day phase.
Gorlak/AbsolutBro/Blarg
all good lynches to me.
infinit777
Member
But there is no reason to lynch him now, if anything you are more suspicious than he is. When there is a reason to think it is him then i believe it is a good time. but right now, you are suggesting we lynch him because he is doing something that is unique to him.
AbsolutBro
Member
Posting reads or opinions on players being discussed is now a scumtell, got it.
Blargonaut
Banned
Letters from the Fans
Letter #1
Dear infinit777,
The fuck did you just allege of me, you Thin-blood Fledgling? I'll have you know that I was Embraced zeroth among the Antediluvians, so many epochs ago that the written word hadn't been invented yet, numbers were a myth, the Enochians forgot I was theirs and Lilith herself might as well have Sired me if she hadn't met Caine first. I've dulled my fangs on untold moonlit battlefields, and I have over 300 confirmed Diablerized. I taught the Camarilla how to Masquerade and I'm the top Blood Hunter in the entire thirteen Clans. You are nothing to me but just another kine. I will Beast you the fuck out with Wassail the likes of which has never been witnessed before by vampires of this World of Darkness, mark my fucking words. Have you truly placed faith in the notion that you can escape my unholy wrath after uttering such sacrilicious filth to my cyber-form presence? Don't even BELIEVE that, fucker. As we speak, I am conspiring with my secret cabal of Blood-bonded Thralls across the global Kindred population and your soul is being telepathically Auspiced right now so you better prepare for Gehenna, Childe. The awakening that turns the pathetic supernature you call your unlife. You're fucking Finally Dead, Kindred. I can wake up anywhere, anytime, and I can Diablerize you in over seventeen hundred ways, and that's just with my teeth. Not only am I extensively versed in vampiric sorcery, but I am learned in the entire array of Disciplines of the Kindred Clans and I will harness them in their full abyssal fury to hex your mystical ass off the coil of biological immortality, you astral shit. If only you could have known what diabolical Reckoning your petty "clever" quip was about to unleash upon you, maybe you would have bit your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't and now you're praying I won't arise from my sarcophagus, you damned fool. I will bleed fire all over you and you will bathe in heat. You're fucking undead, Childe.
Best regards,
The Author
Letter #1
Dear infinit777,
The fuck did you just allege of me, you Thin-blood Fledgling? I'll have you know that I was Embraced zeroth among the Antediluvians, so many epochs ago that the written word hadn't been invented yet, numbers were a myth, the Enochians forgot I was theirs and Lilith herself might as well have Sired me if she hadn't met Caine first. I've dulled my fangs on untold moonlit battlefields, and I have over 300 confirmed Diablerized. I taught the Camarilla how to Masquerade and I'm the top Blood Hunter in the entire thirteen Clans. You are nothing to me but just another kine. I will Beast you the fuck out with Wassail the likes of which has never been witnessed before by vampires of this World of Darkness, mark my fucking words. Have you truly placed faith in the notion that you can escape my unholy wrath after uttering such sacrilicious filth to my cyber-form presence? Don't even BELIEVE that, fucker. As we speak, I am conspiring with my secret cabal of Blood-bonded Thralls across the global Kindred population and your soul is being telepathically Auspiced right now so you better prepare for Gehenna, Childe. The awakening that turns the pathetic supernature you call your unlife. You're fucking Finally Dead, Kindred. I can wake up anywhere, anytime, and I can Diablerize you in over seventeen hundred ways, and that's just with my teeth. Not only am I extensively versed in vampiric sorcery, but I am learned in the entire array of Disciplines of the Kindred Clans and I will harness them in their full abyssal fury to hex your mystical ass off the coil of biological immortality, you astral shit. If only you could have known what diabolical Reckoning your petty "clever" quip was about to unleash upon you, maybe you would have bit your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't and now you're praying I won't arise from my sarcophagus, you damned fool. I will bleed fire all over you and you will bathe in heat. You're fucking undead, Childe.
Best regards,
The Author
I was gonna give Gorlak a little more time to claim, but yeah, he's had ample time to today, and has posted other stuff. What's the story Gorlak? Did you make an off-hand comment about claiming yesterday or something?
Then we whittle down the total pool of players and get a better chance at scum.
Waiting and inaction is the only way to fail.
Stop doing that and start committing yourself to positions and opinions.
Blargonaut
Banned
Letters from the Fans
Letter #1
Dear Hobohodo,
I am heartbroken to hear you find my work is not up to par. Any feedback you may proffer would be highly appreciated.
Best regards,
The Author
Letter #2
Dear Timeaisis,
Pity, I never started reading you!
Love,
The Author
Letter #1
Dear Hobohodo,
I am heartbroken to hear you find my work is not up to par. Any feedback you may proffer would be highly appreciated.
Best regards,
The Author
Letter #2
Dear Timeaisis,
Pity, I never started reading you!
Love,
The Author
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
CHAPTER NINE
But first, I walked over to an empty booth table, stretched out on the upholstered bench and went to sleep.
Read what I said about AB too. He did mafia things.
To answer your question though does mafia need to go out of their way to team up on some townie, drawing attention to themselves and their team, on the first day? Would you do that as mafia?
Blargonaut
Banned
CHAPTER TEN
I think I was snoring, but since I was asleep, there was no way for me to know at that moment. Modern audiovisual monitoring and recording technology could have helped me find out, but the damage was done.
AB said blarg posting nonsense makes blarg town. Wrong. Blarg posting nonsense doesn't make blarg anything.
Town should be suspicious of players until they have a reason to believe they are town. Blarg posting nonsense is not a reason to believe blarg is town.
AB said gorlak is town because gorlak posted junk like blarg. Also wrong. Gorlak posting blarg-esque-junk does not make him anything.
AB said meph posting "lynch down the list" makes meph town. Wrong it doesn't.
AB shouldn't be leaning town on these ppl for the reasons he gave.
Consider that AB is mafia, has perfect information about the game, and wants to remain passive while appearing to contribute to the ongoing discussion. Giving out weak town reads is a great way to do this!
I never said I'd claim today.
I disagree, scum will always want to lynch someone because their ultimate goal is to reduce the number of players at any time. Given the lack of information town will kill one of their virtually every day 1, possibly a useful power role too. Statistically a no lynch results in a higher town win percentage. But this won't happen in Gafia anytime soon, so this discussion is irrelevant.
That being said, why don't you come out of your shell and give us some insight? Why would you ever prefer to random lynch someone? Is there nothing that looks odd to you? Nobody you suspect of playing an act, trying very hard to look town? There is some discussion ongoing, be it bats attacking AB, squidyj wanting me to claim and such. Hell, what do you think of Blarg? As of now, you've said nothing.
Vote: StMeph
You tell me... are we?
Uh yes, yes. Have I outranked Blarg in the noise to info ratio? Do you really think so?
No, I can't follow you, sorry. Why do you vote me? Clearly you must have a misconception of my words in your head.
Squids been saying he's gonna vote you unless you follow through with a claim for like a while now it feels like you could have dealt with this sooner and saved several people some time
I think you did say you would claim at least I had that impression.
Hm, maybe I can follow squidyj:
My way of getting into games is posting gibberish, provoking reactions.
As I said nothing indicates I'll claim today. After that post nothing I'd post would be sufficient for you.
Either I'll claim and you vote me anyway, because how could we trust something like this Day 1 anyway, eh pal?
Or I'll claim and you take another approach:
Then you slowly go over to if "he doesn't do anything we'll have to lynch him as well."
In other words "Let's wait for his claim."
Afterwards you get more aggressive and try to force your way of having things:
Which culminates into the current vote.
All in all your entire case is build on one sentence of mine. That's why you suspect me to be scum? Because I said "I will claim soon enough." This is lynchworthy to you?
My way of getting into games is posting gibberish, provoking reactions.
As I said nothing indicates I'll claim today. After that post nothing I'd post would be sufficient for you.
Either I'll claim and you vote me anyway, because how could we trust something like this Day 1 anyway, eh pal?
Or I'll claim and you take another approach:
Then you slowly go over to if "he doesn't do anything we'll have to lynch him as well."
In other words "Let's wait for his claim."
Afterwards you get more aggressive and try to force your way of having things:
Which culminates into the current vote.
All in all your entire case is build on one sentence of mine. That's why you suspect me to be scum? Because I said "I will claim soon enough." This is lynchworthy to you?
Is it really this hard to read? Where did I once post that I will claim Day 1? Only because you like to jump to conclusions doesn't make it true. I have a pretty good feeling that you can see through this, get some sense of my motivation from my posts and that makes me feel uneasy about you. Normally you'd sort this right in your head, but here you prefer to go after the easy target (i.e. me), which isn't you.
AbsolutBro
Member
I never said any of those things. I did not say that any of those things "made _____ town". I said that for now I am inclined to believe that they are town; that is, that the posts do not make them scum. You are either deliberately misrepresenting my post, or tunneling yourself to a ridiculous level.
And I "shouldn't be leaning town on these ppl for the reasons [ I ] gave"? Who the fuck are you that you get to decide what reasons I accept for leaning town.
Frankly, the last time someone jumped on something so minor, so hard, they were scum. I suspect that may be the case here.
infinit777
Member
Dear Bl'a
I seem to have offended you, my apologies Bl'a as that wasn't my intention. I was just merely curious.
Don't worry, you are still my favorite author even though you promised to use your entire array of Disciplines of the Kindred Clans in their full abyssal fury to hex my mystical ass off the coil of biological immortality...
Those were strong words and I felt a little hurt by them, but i forgive you.
Much Love,
-infinit777
infinit777
Member
For what its worth, I'm with you, they shouldn't attempting to force you to claim anything. The fact that squidyj is pushing so hard is childish.
I had the impression you were going to claim, soon, like as in today, like you said in the below post:
Why say that at all if you aren't going to claim today? Several others expressed similar expectations because of that post.
So what are you doing now? Your story is that you would claim, soon, AND you softed "Heather" to GAIN REACTIONS?
(you softing Heather)
What kind of reactions were you expecting, a counter claim? This is extremely reckless. And your trying to pin this on me like I'm somehow supposed to ignore what you're posting in the thread and magically ascertain this puppet master reaction gathering plan of yours.
infinit777
Member
Better chance at scum winning is more like it.
I do feel like Squidy is trying to find a reason to lynch Gorlak as a cover to hide behind if Gorlak flips town. But lynching someone because they said they would claim but didn't doesn't seem like a scumtell to me.
I also wonder if Squishy is intentionally forcing a 'battle' between the two most outspoken people (Gorlak and squidy) to guage other people's reactions. If you want me to openly say my allegiance, I'm on the Anarch's side (Gorlak) on this issue.
There's a lot more for me to reply to, and will do so soon.
I also wonder if Squishy is intentionally forcing a 'battle' between the two most outspoken people (Gorlak and squidy) to guage other people's reactions. If you want me to openly say my allegiance, I'm on the Anarch's side (Gorlak) on this issue.
There's a lot more for me to reply to, and will do so soon.
Oh, because you guys get wrong expectations from my post, I'm in dire need to claim?
I never softed Heather, I mentioned my appreciation for her pregame, I had my avatar sorted days before the game started. Even if someone got the impression you obviously had, why would anyone counter claim on day 1? A ghoul which in general are minor sidekicks in the game? I'd love to see her being part of the game, but my hopes aren't high.
You mentioned mysterious reasons you could lean town me earlier, which you now completely neglect/ignore.
What I'm going to do? Playing mafia.
I'm not convinced that you believe they are town for the reasons you gave and this is not minor for day 1.
Just as an example of one of your town leans, blarg, look at what other people are posting about him in the thread. Some people are saying we shouldn't lynch blarg for posting the novel stuff, squid is saying we should lynch blarg for posting the novel stuff, but no one just came in and said "blarg posting his novel stuff is making me lean town on him."
You're trying to passively participate in the ongoing narrative but the things you said do not make sense as a townie.
And instead of just simply elaborating on why you think they're town you're digging in the mafia defense tool box of "your tunneling me", "you're misrepresenting me", "OMGUS you're mafia probably mafia yourself."
I'm saying that I don't think having the expectation that you would claim, since you said you would, is not unreasonable.
You softed heather. You posted the name "Heather", your avatar is Heather. That's a soft claim.
The reasons I had for town leaning you before were that you were playing mafia AND that you softed Heather, a character that I looked up and learned dies an unavoidable death. My expectation was that you are town role, specifically Heather, and that you were going to claim because your time in the game was limited. It fit with what you were doing at the time. I'm not ignoring that I'm re evaluating since your story now is not consistent with what I thought you were doing before.
Now your story is that you said you would claim to generate discussion, which is reckless.
Great, at least we got that sorted out, well let's see...
I think I will indeed claim today.