infinit777
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quick noob question. When you guys say that someone is claiming town... do you mean that they are claiming a person is a normal town person and not a major character?
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Or maybe I won't? I don't want to come off as reckless
Itd be great if I could say I trust your better judgement if you're town but lol I don't
I assume it just means they are claiming to be town-aligned. It would be stupid for people to say whether or not they have abilities, gives The Conspiracy too much of a clear target for a night kill.
Yeah, I would. It's easy to lead a vote on someone Day 1 and then claim to be the only ones trying to hunt scum when the target flips town. People want an easy scapegoat the first day.
Just general alignment. Specific characters are usually referred to as "role claims".
infinit777
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thanks
Or maybe I won't? I don't want to come off as reckless
too late for that
Well, this post was gonna be a bit longer, but my hate-boner that was pointed at Gorlak has subsided slightly.
But I digress, lemme get to it.
I'm not so keen on it anymore, the way some of these conversations are going. I was considering infinit777 for flying under the radar and not contributing too much to the discussion, but that seems to oh turned around (which is good to see).
Ynnek7 and Mazre have both been low low under the radar. Both offered looks at other players, but both were very surface level and then they just left. Saying inoffensive stuff that looks meaningful, then hoping no one calls you on any of your talking points ain't sommit I like. I want to see more evaluations or insight from both of them.
That isn't to say there aren't other flying a bit under the radar as well, but these two haven't really been called out by anyone yet to speak up.
This is where I started getting a bit steamed, Gorlak.
You start spouting gibberish, and as you've said it was a bit of a tactic to how you play, but then you have the nerve to throw everyone under the bus when you get called on some of your gibberish. I don't really give a damn if or when you claim, but this is your battle with squidyj. You want everyone else to do the fighting for you or sommit? Or did you just want more bodies to fall backwards on?
Come on now, fam. Don't do us like that. Also, when I say I'm gonna do sommit "soon enough", it's usually not like 24 hours later.
Just back down if you don't want to claim, it's not like you have to :/
But I digress, lemme get to it.
I'm not so keen on it anymore, the way some of these conversations are going. I was considering infinit777 for flying under the radar and not contributing too much to the discussion, but that seems to oh turned around (which is good to see).
Ynnek7 and Mazre have both been low low under the radar. Both offered looks at other players, but both were very surface level and then they just left. Saying inoffensive stuff that looks meaningful, then hoping no one calls you on any of your talking points ain't sommit I like. I want to see more evaluations or insight from both of them.
That isn't to say there aren't other flying a bit under the radar as well, but these two haven't really been called out by anyone yet to speak up.
This is where I started getting a bit steamed, Gorlak.
You start spouting gibberish, and as you've said it was a bit of a tactic to how you play, but then you have the nerve to throw everyone under the bus when you get called on some of your gibberish. I don't really give a damn if or when you claim, but this is your battle with squidyj. You want everyone else to do the fighting for you or sommit? Or did you just want more bodies to fall backwards on?
Come on now, fam. Don't do us like that. Also, when I say I'm gonna do sommit "soon enough", it's usually not like 24 hours later.
Just back down if you don't want to claim, it's not like you have to :/
unless you do have to for some reason...
i have a sister named heather
That's true I haven't seen much of that in the games I've played personally though
Some chsracter the video game that dies. The wiki i read said that she can't be saved without a game mod or something.
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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Christina Mackenzie (2)
Timeaisis .144 .249
Dusk Soldier .147
Blargonaut .194
Gorlak .225 .228
StMeph (1)
Gorlak .275
Mazre (1)
squidyj .318
Blargonaut (1)
squidyj .74 .274
Swamped .216
AbsolutBro (1)
batsnacks .244 .250
batsnacks .250
Gorlak (1)
Gorlak .122 .138
Trigger .156
squidyj .274 .318
Fat4all (1)
Gorlak .228 .275
Timeaisis .249
Hobohodo (1)
Ynnek7 .191
squidyj (1)
infinit777 .140
Ynnek7 (0)
Swamped .142 .214
batsnacks (0)
Gorlak .138 .205
MickD (0)
Swamped .214 .216
Swamped (0)
Gorlak .205 .225
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Dr. Worm
Fat4all
Hobohodo
Mazre
MickD
Satanic Saint
StMeph
Zubz
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Christina Mackenzie (2)
Dusk Soldier .147
Blargonaut .194
StMeph (1)
Gorlak .275
Mazre (1)
squidyj .318
Blargonaut (1)
Swamped .216
AbsolutBro (1)
batsnacks .250
Gorlak (1)
Trigger .156
Fat4all (1)
Timeaisis .249
Hobohodo (1)
Ynnek7 .191
squidyj (1)
infinit777 .140
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batsnacks (0)
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11 votes for majority
Good morning everyone, the silence during my sleep is alarming. Talk people, talk! Shame on the half of players without a vote, get your ass up and vote someone. State your reason why this person in particular should die now.
Hey Fat4all, you feel offended by what I said? Maybe because I spoke the truth? You were the one I had in mind in particular. You submitted yourself so willingly to what squidyj said without thinking twice about it. You were interested in speculating about my post, but the "recommendation" influenced you directly. Look at the next time you mention it (#183), he came in with "backtrack, he should die", which you liked.
Swamped was the only one to still speculate if I had a power. Trigger voted me for my behaviour. Some gave their opinion, but no one dared to discuss it any further.
Thus obviously squidyj wanted to prevent any talk about this, I'm not quite sure if he has an agenda. But he dominated certain topics (Lynch Blarg, Don't speculate the suspicious post). It feels like he narrowed discussion in certain parts and I can't think of a reason he'd do that as town especially on Day 1 where we don't have anything to go on.
Hey Fat4all, you feel offended by what I said? Maybe because I spoke the truth? You were the one I had in mind in particular. You submitted yourself so willingly to what squidyj said without thinking twice about it. You were interested in speculating about my post, but the "recommendation" influenced you directly. Look at the next time you mention it (#183), he came in with "backtrack, he should die", which you liked.
Swamped was the only one to still speculate if I had a power. Trigger voted me for my behaviour. Some gave their opinion, but no one dared to discuss it any further.
Thus obviously squidyj wanted to prevent any talk about this, I'm not quite sure if he has an agenda. But he dominated certain topics (Lynch Blarg, Don't speculate the suspicious post). It feels like he narrowed discussion in certain parts and I can't think of a reason he'd do that as town especially on Day 1 where we don't have anything to go on.
Satanic Saint's claim and reactions:
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And that's it. A group of people directly talked about the claim (AB, Time, Mazre, Fat, CM, Ynnek, Hobo), others mention him (Gorlak, Swamped) and StMeph talks with him without acknowledging the claim. The rest of the players didn't mention Satanic in any way.
I feel it was necessary to highlight squidyj because in retrospective it really looks like he stopped another discussion only to bring up a topic he likes to talk about (me). But especially since Satanic claimed something it is very interesting that squidyj doesn't mention it at all, even though he had a boner on me only for bringing up the word claim, stating he'd be very unhappy if I'd do it unprovoked. Does somebody else see an inconsistent behaviour here?
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- He waltzed in and claimed investigator on the spot.
- AB gave him advice to not claim right away, to which he responded to have some kind of fail safe defense. (153)
- Timeaisis needed reassurance if that was a claim. (159)
- StMeph quoted him, but left the claim out. (168)
- Mazre offered a variety of speculations. (174)
- Fat takes up one of Mazre's thoughts and rules out a scum claiming cop(?). (177)
- CM disagrees (179)
- Amidst that discussion we have squidyj bringing attention back to me, ignoring Satanic (182)
- Ynnek thinks Satanic isn't telling the truth. (191)
- I remark Satanic should feel lectured. (205)
- Swamped wouldn't vote Satanic, no reason given. (214)
- Hobohodo says the claim was meant to get night killed. (248)
And that's it. A group of people directly talked about the claim (AB, Time, Mazre, Fat, CM, Ynnek, Hobo), others mention him (Gorlak, Swamped) and StMeph talks with him without acknowledging the claim. The rest of the players didn't mention Satanic in any way.
I feel it was necessary to highlight squidyj because in retrospective it really looks like he stopped another discussion only to bring up a topic he likes to talk about (me). But especially since Satanic claimed something it is very interesting that squidyj doesn't mention it at all, even though he had a boner on me only for bringing up the word claim, stating he'd be very unhappy if I'd do it unprovoked. Does somebody else see an inconsistent behaviour here?
now now, no need to get defensive just because squidyj has more moxie than you
All I'm hearing from you Gorlak is a bunch of false-flag waving, like everyone should of dropped what they were doing to smack down squidyj for taking your (what is now clearly) rubbish.
People were confused at how you were approaching the beginning of day one, even so far as comparing you to Blarg before they even showed up. But now it's pretty clear that there wasn't much too it at all, so I guess squidyj doing that wasn't completely in vain. At least he took a hardline stance on your shenanigans right out of the gate.
That being said, I still can't say for sure if what you did was scum-telly or not, but you did reverse on your playstyle rather fast (day-wise). one of my eyebrows are raised at you, good fellow.
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All I'm hearing from you Gorlak is a bunch of false-flag waving, like everyone should of dropped what they were doing to smack down squidyj for taking your (what is now clearly) rubbish.
People were confused at how you were approaching the beginning of day one, even so far as comparing you to Blarg before they even showed up. But now it's pretty clear that there wasn't much too it at all, so I guess squidyj doing that wasn't completely in vain. At least he took a hardline stance on your shenanigans right out of the gate.
That being said, I still can't say for sure if what you did was scum-telly or not, but you did reverse on your playstyle rather fast (day-wise). one of my eyebrows are raised at you, good fellow.
Initially I had no problem with squidyj's behaviour regarding me, because I expected something like that from him. Much like the sentiment swamped stated here in the second sentence:
I fear tunneling and need opinions on my last observation, so please give some input fellow kindred.
Quoting Swamped made me realize how ambivalent that standpoint is. Squidyj wants a cover if I turn town (something scum would want to have), but at the same time it's no scumtell. That sounds safe af. But to be fair she offers further insight in her post.
Don't know what to make of it. Opinions?
I fear tunneling and need opinions on my last observation, so please give some input fellow kindred.
Quoting Swamped made me realize how ambivalent that standpoint is. Squidyj wants a cover if I turn town (something scum would want to have), but at the same time it's no scumtell. That sounds safe af. But to be fair she offers further insight in her post.
Don't know what to make of it. Opinions?
You don't understand. People are influenced by what others are saying. I wanted to highlight how squidyj took a leading role in handling my rubbish. Don't follow anyone only because they have a hard stance on something. Think for yourself and post what you deem necessary and not what others allow you to post about.
My post was wondering if it would be beneficial for scum to claim investigator, you'd have to play it off really well so that if there was an actual cop in the game they wouldn't get suspicious and investigate them.
also, I'm wondering if Saint actually meant to claim in his first post, because I really don't see the benefit of an an investigator claiming day-one in any case. Maybe Saint is telling the truth and they have a defence, but it's still a really dumb move, town or scum :/
or maybe they are just lying about everything.
also, I'm wondering if Saint actually meant to claim in his first post, because I really don't see the benefit of an an investigator claiming day-one in any case. Maybe Saint is telling the truth and they have a defence, but it's still a really dumb move, town or scum :/
or maybe they are just lying about everything.
I think he went the fishing route, that's why I put together the reactions in a neat list. The problem I have with him right now is that he didn't say anything else. Satanic who will you vote for what reason? What's suspicious to you so far? And what do you think about Fat4all?
We have a bunch of low activity players and at least Satanic generated discussion, something I can't say about:
Vote: hobohodo
Get in here, what's your take on Christina?
Dr. Worm. Okay, you're a tad busy, but you give the impression of keeping up. Is there still nothing catching your attention? Everything boring Day 1? If you prefer to not lynch someone today, you can openly show it with an active vote (Vote: No Lynch). I want you to commit to a position.
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Woah, talking about non commital and flying under the radar:
MickD, don't you have anything? Anything at all? Who are your top two suspects you'd lynch now?
Look people, inactivity kills the game and makes it far easier for scum to win. Don't be afraid to speak your mouth, even if you are unsure about what to say, tell us what comes first to your mind. Don't hold back because you could be wrong about something or someone. Refusing to post is the same as handing the victory to scum.
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Woah, talking about non commital and flying under the radar:
MickD, don't you have anything? Anything at all? Who are your top two suspects you'd lynch now?
Look people, inactivity kills the game and makes it far easier for scum to win. Don't be afraid to speak your mouth, even if you are unsure about what to say, tell us what comes first to your mind. Don't hold back because you could be wrong about something or someone. Refusing to post is the same as handing the victory to scum.
Now that you bring it up (and looking back at the conversation) it is a bit odd, but I dunno if there's anything complex going on. If both are scum, it's a terrible play all around, for both of them. If just squidyj was scum, I don't see why he wouldn't prod Saint a bit more, as he'd have an easy in because of the exchange you both had. He could of tried to get a lynch vote started around Saint to get them to reveal more about their abilities (if they had them).
squidyj might of felt an obligation to go after you more because he's the one who called you on claim-talk in the first place. Or maybe since Saint's claim was pretty immediate and obvious, he didn't feel a need to dig at them while your claim was still in the air at the time.
You bring up an interesting point, though. I'd like to hear squidjy's take.
As of now I'd be okay with lynching any of hobohodo, MickD or StMeph.
While squidyj has gained some suspicion I won't vote him today and I'm waiting on some more opinions on this matter.
Blargonaut has delivered nothing helpful so far which is often an indicator for his scumminess, but his posts are entertaining, which is a lot more than some have offered to this point. I'll see how his contributions develop during the next day phase.
Well, Time what is your verdict? Will you lynch me for the shenanigans? Is your vote on Fat still justified? What else caught your attention?
Despite posting the most I have no read on Fat4all, I can't grasp him yet.
While squidyj has gained some suspicion I won't vote him today and I'm waiting on some more opinions on this matter.
Blargonaut has delivered nothing helpful so far which is often an indicator for his scumminess, but his posts are entertaining, which is a lot more than some have offered to this point. I'll see how his contributions develop during the next day phase.
Very early in the game you can safe a mortally wounded person in a hospital by making her your ghoul. You feed her your blood and she becomes your servant. She shows up in your apartment and is obsessed with you. Heather only wants the best for you, e.g. brings you some human to appease your thirst. Heather's fate:
Later in the game the only way to save her is to set her free from the blood bond, otherwise she'll inevitably die during a quest. (Although there appears to be an option to tell her to stay indoors all time with the unofficial patch.)
VtmB Wiki said:
Well, Time what is your verdict? Will you lynch me for the shenanigans? Is your vote on Fat still justified? What else caught your attention?
Despite posting the most I have no read on Fat4all, I can't grasp him yet.
VOTE: No Lynch
I don't think any of this is going much of anywhere.
I have a flight in around 12 hours, so I definitely shouldn't be giving the impression of keeping up, at least not today.
Well it was the impression up to your last post.
If anyone was wondering I'll touch upon the subject of bats and AbsolutBro soon, when I have the time on my hand again. Additionally I have an uneasy feeling about Swamped, more a gut feeling that she might be scum than anything.
Nah, that's nothing scum buddies can prevent in any way. You can't force teammates to write more in the game, think of the scum dropouts we had in previous games or look at Overwatch.
Satanic Saint
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I don't really want to lynch someone since statistically we are more likely going to lynch a town member. I agree with all of you that a passive inactive town is going to lose, but it makes no sense to lynch someone on Day 1.
But yeah my scum radar is going off on squidyj for quite a while. And that was before Gorlak's posts about him.
But yeah my scum radar is going off on squidyj for quite a while. And that was before Gorlak's posts about him.
Awwwwww okie then. I like me a good supplication. But I'd like a little more flattery next time please!
Tbh I do need to re-read AB, but it was this post:
Trying to downplay the 'claim' and later moving on to other topics. I think that's town behavior.
OMG LOL
I'm still wary of Dusk and Zubz, but would also vote Hobohodo or Ynnek. Going to re-read some people.
I think we are seeing town Squidly and town Gorlak, so it's unlikely I will vote for them.
So?
This feels like you picked 3 names out of a hat. Could've just as easily been Me, Trigger, Zubz, or Dusk, Infinit, Time; or any number of other combinations.
Christina Mackenzie
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This might be my last post in Day 1, been occupied with things so I just skimmed from what has happened since my last visit.
Dusk Soldier seems to be more quiet than usual. I played my last 2 games with him so it feels a bit off. No much to go on but that's Day 1 for you.
Something about what Fat4all said about scum claiming to be the cop just felt like what scum would say. But he's new so I could be reading it wrong.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224725974&postcount=177
Gorlak seems to be genuinely interested getting reactions from all players. Whether or not he reveals his role today at least people are talking. He would be an interesting Day 1 lynch because I think most players will feel strongly for/against it. I prefer to keep him around for now.
Satanic Saint is fishing... I guess.
VOTE: Dusk Soldier
Dusk Soldier seems to be more quiet than usual. I played my last 2 games with him so it feels a bit off. No much to go on but that's Day 1 for you.
Something about what Fat4all said about scum claiming to be the cop just felt like what scum would say. But he's new so I could be reading it wrong.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224725974&postcount=177
Gorlak seems to be genuinely interested getting reactions from all players. Whether or not he reveals his role today at least people are talking. He would be an interesting Day 1 lynch because I think most players will feel strongly for/against it. I prefer to keep him around for now.
Satanic Saint is fishing... I guess.
VOTE: Dusk Soldier
It's exceedingly rare to go a whole game without lynching town. In a 20 player game we may have as few as 5 opportunities to lynch. Throwing away up to 20% of our lynching opportunities as our first move is not generally a winning strategy.
infinit777
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So going off of day 1 so far, I am sticking with my vote on squidyj. I will say however that I am a bit skeptical AB as well. . .
I will be posting today, but at 4 I will be leaving for chicago and won't be back until sunday night/ monday morning. I'll try to pop in if i can guys.
I will be posting today, but at 4 I will be leaving for chicago and won't be back until sunday night/ monday morning. I'll try to pop in if i can guys.
infinit777
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Though, wouldn''t we still have 1 extra person. Meaning there would be 1 more turn to lynch a non townie?
There is; it gives Wolves/Mafia/Whoever our bad guys are a free kill with no risks. I don't know how new Dr. Worm is, but No Kills are usually a bad sign in Forum games. I was going to vote Squidy to manufacture a rivalry, but someone needs to die Day 1. And the people that disagree are never truly pacifists.
Vote: Dr. Worm
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