[Variety] Disney’s Boy Trouble: Studio Seeks Original IP to Win Back Gen-Z Men Amid Marvel, Lucasfilm Struggles

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Leadership at Walt Disney Studios has been pressing Hollywood creatives in recent months, multiple sources tell Variety, for movies that will bring young men back to the brand in a meaningful way. "Young men" is defined here by sources as ages 13-28, aka Gen Z.
But what's surprising producers, writers and other partners in the larger industry is that Disney has been calling for original concepts to lure the demo back to the movies.
While two insiders say the mandate to recruit young males goes as high as the C-suite, the task primarily has fallen on David Greenbaum, the former Searchlight Pictures co-head brought on in 2024 to run Disney's live-action film business. That label has been sorely lacking in guy-leaning fare, like the "Pirates of the Caribbean" franchise, for nearly 10 years. (Studio insiders say the property is in active development, though not in its last reported iteration involving Margot Robbie).
One top film executive at a Disney rival says every studio should be looking for originals, as sequels and reboots continue to exhaust the culture — even if they're packing in moviegoers in the short term.

"I never thought I'd say it," the exec muses about the Magic Kingdom's boy troubles despite its gem box of iconic IP, "but it looks like Disney is going to have to start trying."

 
Disney trying to leverage literally the only thing they have going for them: Nostalgia for their old stuff.

Gen Z:
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Disney trying to leverage literally the only thing they have going for them: Nostalgia for their old stuff.

Gen Z:
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Either you didn't read the few sentences the OP shared from the article or you didn't understand a thing.

Disney has been calling for original concepts to lure the demo back to the movies.
 
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Either you didn't read the few sentences the OP shared from the article or you didn't understand a thing.

I mean yeah that's the point.
They are now looking to make original content because they've realized the only thing of value they have to offer doesn't work with Gen Z.
 
They can still use Star Wars and Marvel. Just make the stories less lame and stop pandering to lgbt women.

One of the stupidiest decisions that Disney made regarding those two IPs is not making stuff in those IPs aimed at teenage boys to adult men. They should have bought Star Wars and Marvel for the built in male fanbase. That's what they are weak in especially to this day, most of thier stuff is aimed at girls and woman back before they bought the Marvel and Star Wars IPs. They were stupid to ditch both of those built in audiences since they could have made bank. Instead they ditched the male fandom and in process can't get lot of the female audiences to be interested. Funny enough these female audiences hate current year Disney and lot of them are woke. It's just funny seeing Disney screw up courting an audience that doesn't care about them. Especially with them inserting woke stuff in a lot of stuff. I think it's too late to attract the male audience since back when they bought Marvel and Star Wars is when they should have started doing that, not 10 to 15 years later. I don't hate everything that Disney has put out when it comes to Star Wars and Marvel but I feel lot of the stuff has been terrible. As for the original IP they want to aim at young men, all I can say is good luck
 
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So, they bought Marvel and Star Wars -- basically boy brands -- and turned those properties on their ear, and now they're asking, "How do we get a boy brand??" The shareholders are legit retarded for putting up with the board and Iger.
 
So, they bought Marvel and Star Wars -- basically boy brands -- and turned those properties on their ear, and now they're asking, "How do we get a boy brand??" The shareholders are legit retarded for putting up with the board and Iger.
The age of viewership has grown alongside the property.

What they should have done instead is pivot to more mature stories with potential R ratings here and there. This includes Star Wars, which at a conceptual level should be R-rated, but continues to treat the lightsaber as a pokey-baton and the blaster as a stun gun.
 
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The force is female has come home to roost. Be careful what you wish for.

All they have to do in make some great action adventure stories.

I liked fantastic 4 but a story about a mom trying to save her baby won't really resonate. Maybe do a story about evil guy capturing hot chicks and cool guys saving them.
 
Hire good writers. Stop pandering to this or that audience and write SOMETHING GOOD for a change. Then, people will come back to the theaters, all the audiences. Because everybody, from gen Z to boomers, love good stories, something they haven't given us for a very long while.
 
They need to just go old school. Buy amazing scripts. Look hard for the next Spielberg - someone who likes to make exciting summer blockbusters without an over reliance on CGI. It is fine to have capeshit, but you can't only have capeshit. Maybe 1 capeshit movie per year. Diversify your entertainment offerings to keep things fresh.
 
This smells familiar...like recent excrement. Like desperation.
Thats what you get for years and years damaging your own fanbase with your stupid ideas.
 
Making new pirates.
Even this won't save them now...

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The rot is too deep. For example, the Predator series, what used to be the most macho thing ON THE PLANET, lately is this....

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who are these characters for? Guys WILL watch a hot sexy chick go off and do battle....for a bit, but NOBODY watches manish or desexualized women go do battle yet studio after studio seems CONVINCED there is some untapped massive market for that drivel.
 
They can start with purging activists from all their departments.
Then they'll just continue to have shitty writers and no activists. Same with the poster above who is saying that the women are the problem. Fire all the women and then there will be shitty writers and no women.

The two posters above who commented on the writing understand that it's the actual problem.

The rest is noise. Very loud and successfully distracting noise, but still just noise.
 
So Disney, following their damage of valuable IPs and franchises in actively trying and failing to seek particular audiences, are now going to actively try and fail to seek another particular audience, but with an original IP instead.

Yeah, nah. I don't care about how much they say they want to course correct. I'm so over this routine. If you're not going to acknowledge that the shit-ass writing is a major part of the problem and try to fix that, I'm still not interested.

You made that fucking bed, Disney. Now go lie in it.

(Andor is cool, though.)
 
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They spent fifteen years chasing away boys and young men and now see that they are adults with money to spend and no desire to consume Disney slop.

"Force is Female" continues to pay negative dividends forever. That said, I do think original franchises is important here. Minecraft showed that zoomers want stuff made for them, not GenX shit recycled.
 
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Oh no, our strategy of pushing away boys from the brands they liked has lead to boys not watching our stuff!
Its more about caving to shrill online feminazis that see ANY successful male project as something they can elbow in on. You see it in sports and male focused film genres. They see action films making bank and then INSIST that women be included or representations of "toxic masculinity" and "the male gaze" be excised out in favor of "positive female empowerment". When you had blackrock funding it with ESG loans the projects didn't actually have to make money, but that gravy train seems over so hopefully its back to business serving up stuff audiences actually go to watch.
 
Its more about caving to shrill online feminazis that see ANY successful male project as something they can elbow in on. You see it in sports and male focused film genres. They see action films making bank and then INSIST that women be included or representations of "toxic masculinity" and "the male gaze" be excised out in favor of "positive female empowerment". When you had blackrock funding it with ESG loans the projects didn't actually have to make money, but that gravy train seems over so hopefully its back to business serving up stuff audiences actually go to watch.

But that depends on if the male audience is gonna come back, which is unlikely due to being shat on for 10 to 15 years. These companies really dug their own grave
 
Disney should just make family movies with beautiful messages like The Lion King, The Little Mermaid, and the movies from the 1940s to the 2000s.

But they're still doing all their woke nonsense.
 
Then they'll just continue to have shitty writers and no activists.
If universal bad writers is the baseline, then getting rid of the activists who push bad ideas is a start. I'll take bad dudebro Star Wars over whatever the Acolyte was supposed to be.

The noise my kids and I could do without is lesbian kisses in Buzz Lightyear and "trans-coded" Pixar movies.
 
If universal bad writers is the baseline, then getting rid of the activists who push bad ideas is a start. I'll take bad dudebro Star Wars over whatever the Acolyte was supposed to be.

The noise my kids and I could do without is lesbian kisses in Buzz Lightyear and "trans-coded" Pixar movies.
I think regardless of personal belief "well, it's horrible but at least it panders to me" is a terrible way to go about this.

Some people here like using the word slop a lot. What you're suggesting would just be slop with a different scent/flavor.

Disney won't fix anything, anytime soon, until they fix the constant creative infighting between people like Kevin Feige/John Favreau(SW), the directors of each movie, the writers of each movie, and the middlemen between them.

This is why I don't look towards Disney franchises for S-tier or even High A-tier content anymore. I have been looking at all of the other films and shows releasing recently for that level of content, you know the 99% that are ignored on this forum since it isn't the movie equivalent of an AAA franchise.

The fact that Disney is even discussing original IP is at least decent sign, because it means there's a chance that talented people won't be tied down by 'universe' tag (MCU, DCEU, SWU) and thus they won't have to conform to making a movie fit into a 15-movie run in order to lead up to a big villain fight with tons of cameos.
 
I think regardless of personal belief "well, it's horrible but at least it panders to me" is a terrible way to go about this.
No, it's being what it always was before it was repurposed. But I'm not surprised you feel that way.

Disney won't fix anything, anytime soon, until they fix the constant creative infighting between people like Kevin Feige/John Favreau(SW), the directors of each movie, the writers of each movie, and the middlemen between them.
Oh don't get me wrong. I have zero faith in Disney or the people they employ. As long as they keep putting the boot down on the people trying to turn kids movies into a vehicle to push their nonsense I'm good.
 
No, it's being what it always was before it was repurposed. But I'm not surprised you feel that way.
Kacho please, let's stop this sides thing for a minute and just discuss movies. I don't feel 'that way'. There is no 'way'.

There's just good movies and bad movies, just like 'it always was' and always will be. A bad movie will continue to be a bad movie regardless of what is inserted or not inserted into it.

I'm glad that we can at least agree that Disney is on a streak of rocky/inconsistent quality films and shows.
 
Turn Marvel and Star Wars into Girl Brands.
Make every female character flawless and perfect from the get go, with people not respecting her being her only obstacle.
Make every male character evil or an incompentent baffoon.
Do this for about 10+ years.


"W-w-wait. What's happening to our male demographic, where are they going?"
 
They should have bought Star Wars and Marvel for the built in male fanbase. That's what they are weak in especially to this day, most of thier stuff is aimed at girls and woman back before they bought the Marvel and Star Wars IPs.
So, they bought Marvel and Star Wars -- basically boy brands -- and turned those properties on their ear, and now they're asking, "How do we get a boy brand??" The shareholders are legit retarded for putting up with the board and Iger.

I mean, this is the great scandalous truth they can't handle: men create worlds; women only play (often, destructively) within the worlds men have created

It's not that women cannot write stories or have their own creativity, but they fundamentally are never responsible for actual cohesive worlds or systems. Men care about this kind of thing:
  • men write technical manuals and schematics for every Starfleet ship;
  • men invent vast systems of races and factions, each with their statistically defined ranges of ability, for spontaneous games like Dungeons and Dragons (such a thing would never have come into the world via women; they joined it later, they contributed along the way--but we all know that there is no possible timeline in which women could have created it);
  • men construct elaborate systems of rules and games at every level, and care about (and endlessly debate) the coherence of those worlds and rules
  • men also spontaneously invest vast hours of their free-time to passion projects that end up inventing genres and engines, eg. Wolfenstein/Doom is something that came distinctly from the male brain and its fixated + technical motivations; there are simply no analogous creations for women out there, they'll make vast stories but never spontaneous systems... and we all know this

What always happens is always the same trajectory:
  • men create something in spontaneous groups of like minds
  • it necessarily has a low status and "nerd" connotation, so women mock it (visions of sweaty D&D players, fat gamers, etc)
  • later, it becomes an entire industry via its organic success, and gains status via pure force of sales and cultural presence
  • now women insist on being included in it, and execs or others who are not actually part of the hobby/world push for inclusion as a way to expand sales
  • since they are playing inside someone else's world, most women inhabit it inauthentically, or wanting to "fix" what is problematic
  • this ends up destroying the spontaneous hobby or world; men move on, women are the only ones left, and it collapses for lack of any direction, cohesion, or new ideas (D&D 5e...)

It's a truth you're simply not allowed to speak, but we all see it. Yes, there are individual exceptions, but the pattern is true and defines the way the sexes relate to these things.

Star Wars comes from the male brain; women supported it at various points and contributed, absolutely, but when the corporate "diversity" (read: expanded the market in hopes of higher $) drive tries to make it female -- or even more than 1/3 female, etc -- it collapses into drivel. There is no way around it.

The moral is to let things stay with the groups that spontaneously created it. Eg. if men create some competitive gaming genre, there is zero human "right" for anyone out of that group to be given representation or space within that hobby. There is a human right to create your own hobbies and not be bothered, so if anyone prevents women from creating their own worlds, that is bad. But there was nothing wrong with gaming or Star Wars or anything deliberately catering to its own bases in every design and decision... there is zero moral imperative to represent others. That is just a corporate bottom-line imperative mixed with a quasi-religious new belief system.
 
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They can still use Star Wars and Marvel. Just make the stories less lame and stop pandering to lgbt women.
It's been almost 20 years since the first Iron Man, people need to understand superhero fatigue is finally here. Disney had a good run with the same comic shit for 30 movies, what more do you want?
 
Kacho please, let's stop this sides thing for a minute and just discuss movies. I don't feel 'that way'. There is no 'way'.

There's just good movies and bad movies, just like 'it always was' and always will be. A bad movie will continue to be a bad movie regardless of what is inserted or not inserted into it.

I'm glad that we can at least agree that Disney is on a streak of rocky/inconsistent quality films and shows.
Stop with the sanctimonious nonsense and acting like you're above it all. Your gaslighting doesn't work on me. There's bad movies and there's bad woke movies. Everyone knows Disney has been pumping out the latter in recent years which is why young men have been chased away.
 
It's been almost 20 years since the first Iron Man, people need to understand superhero fatigue is finally here. Disney had a good run with the same comic shit for 30 movies, what more do you want?
I don't think the superhero fatigue comes from too many superhero movies in general. These are heroes many, many millions of people have loved for decades. People want good movies with well written characters, so I think it comes from poor decisions in which stories to tell and how they tell them. If they get back to what made them golden age of comics great people will love the movies again.

Marvel did a few things wrong. They decided to go with the multiverse angle with Kang at the center, which was a bad idea because of how complex those stories can get. Kang is not a Thanos-level villain, so they had to conjure up an infinite number of them to create the same kind of threat. But it's not a threat that people can relate to, so the returns suffered.

Disney also did the same thing to Marvel that they did to Star Wars, which was to shift focus away from the solid core of boys and men who grew up with these characters and start catering to people who aren't the core audience. Their shift toward girl power and controversial casting of Brie Larson with Captain Marvel was the start of the fatigue because it was a stupid decision that turned a character like Nick Fury into male comic relief for strong, independent women who don't need no men. The core audience won't pay to watch a movie that insults them, which is what the MCU has become.
 
  • Step 1: Fully adopt the message of a man hating cult
  • Step 2: Be openly confrontational against people that say they dislike the message
  • Step 3: Lose most of your male audience despite having some of the most popular male oriented franchises in history
  • Step 4: PANIC! WTF happened? We need to bring men back!

Reminder that these C-suite imbeciles are getting paid ten of millions for their "expertise". Capitalism is truly cooked
 
It really is the end for Disney if they are looking for original concepts. What they should do instead is buy Roblox for 100 billion dollars and make some absolutely disgustingly awful Roblox movies.
 
Turn Marvel and Star Wars into Girl Brands.
Make every female character flawless and perfect from the get go, with people not respecting her being her only obstacle.
Make every male character evil or an incompentent baffoon.
Do this for about 10+ years.


"W-w-wait. What's happening to our male demographic, where are they going?"
yea, it's the Sheero's Journey, "she's perfect, the chuds around her just don't see it". I think even aftrer a while women get sick of seeing this, even if they absolutely believe it. The America Ferrera monologue in Barbie was the apex of this. But it's bad storytelling.

I don't think the superhero fatigue comes from too many superhero movies in general. These are heroes many, many millions of people have loved for decades. People want good movies with well written characters, so I think it comes from poor decisions in which stories to tell and how they tell them. If they get back to what made them golden age of comics great people will love the movies again.

Marvel did a few things wrong. They decided to go with the multiverse angle with Kang at the center, which was a bad idea because of how complex those stories can get. Kang is not a Thanos-level villain, so they had to conjure up an infinite number of them to create the same kind of threat. But it's not a threat that people can relate to, so the returns suffered.

I have said it before, the MCU thing from Iron Man to Endgame was unique. People invested in this continuous story and consumed an insane amount of media to stay with it, including stuff they never would have before (Ant Man). While they absolutely fumbled it post-Endgame, upon the conclusion of that story, people were not signing up for this again. It's just too much. Now they will go to see a movie for the same reason why they always went to see a movie, because it had an actor they liked or character they liked. I remember going to see Shang Chi with my friend and it was like 70% Asian in the theater. It's why they are backing up the Brinks truck for RDJR. People like RDJR.
 
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They all know what the answers are.
They take it so personally they can't (refuse) to acknowledge and implement it though.

Imagine being so jealous, egocentric and petty you would burn down decades (milllions upon millions of hours) of created love, entertainment, vibrancy and culture because
Men bad urrrrr…
A decade and a half of people in their feelings taking it out in the business world.
Truly magical.
 
yea, it's the Sheero's Journey, "she's perfect, the chuds around her just don't see it". I think even aftrer a while women get sick of seeing this, even if they absolutely believe it. The America Ferrera monologue in Barbie was the apex of this. But it's bad storytelling.

Even before the whole Mary Sue thing caught on, I immediately knew something was wrong with the writing of Rey when I saw TFA.

You're got a Hero's Journey where the Hero starts off already an expert at fighting the enemy. She had a skillset that made her The Fighter, Wizard, and Thief of the Party. She beat her rival the first time she picks up a Lightsaber. Everyone immediately trusts and admires her when they first meet. It was just an insane overcorrection to bring a female lead into Star Wars.

I thought to myself how is she going to grow as a character for the next two films. Turns out not at all. Compare that to Luke Skywalker who is a completely different man in RotJ than he was in ANH.
 
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