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Velma (from Scooby Doo) gets her own TV series!
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MayauMiao
Member
But identified as a dog.
///PATRIOT
Banned
WTF is this horseshit?
The asshats who made this thought they were being clever, weren't they?
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
I felt that Scooby Doo died as a franchise when Don Messick and Casey Kasem died. Hanna-Barbera started losing (forfeiting) creative control as they got older but voices tend to shape the character.
I was talking about these character switches with my wife the other night (who's a black woman) and asked if she'd watch it. I won't even post what her comments were on Velma but she was pretty upset about what they did to the characters.
I was in a board meeting in July to discuss why our marketong campaigns for EVs had been so 'out of touch' to our CEO and CRO. One thing I pointed out was, "this all looks like great EV commercial because we're all looking at it from the inside. When did we ever consider shooting commercials and writing them for our audience...the consumer?" Ever since then, they've only put out adverts or commercials on popular trends that our customers enjoy and trust on the brand has gone up."
My point with all that is why producers in TV today feel they're turning over a real profit if they're only selling the stories that corporate wants to hear? What about what the audience wants?
Anyway, back to watching some classic Scooby Doo and have 13-Ghosts of Scooby Doo on my October watch list.
kunonabi
Member
Sadly, I cant even go back to classic Scooby Doo after Kasem ruined Aladdin.
SJRB
Gold Member
The sexual orientation of this children's cartoon character is very important to me.
I also liked the bit where she texted people she hoped they would fucking die, that was hilarious.
There is definitely no overwhelmingly cynical political message behind this show and they are definitely not using a classic children's cartoon to deliver ThE MeSsAgE and pander to a certain circle-jerking Twitter-using audience. The fact that certain characters are either brownwashed or straight up deleted entirely is pure coincidental of course.
It also wasn't a sign that the show was an obnoxious political message when they very deliberately announced that Velma was gay or bisexual or whatever because they knew that would get gobbled up by social media and ally-friendly websites which gave the show pretty much a ton of free publicity. Definitely nothing cynical about that, no sir.
This show is going to be a massive hit and the showrunners will definitely not blame misogyny or racism or the alt-right when the viewer numbers are abysmal and it gets canceled after one season.
I also liked the bit where she texted people she hoped they would fucking die, that was hilarious.
There is definitely no overwhelmingly cynical political message behind this show and they are definitely not using a classic children's cartoon to deliver ThE MeSsAgE and pander to a certain circle-jerking Twitter-using audience. The fact that certain characters are either brownwashed or straight up deleted entirely is pure coincidental of course.
It also wasn't a sign that the show was an obnoxious political message when they very deliberately announced that Velma was gay or bisexual or whatever because they knew that would get gobbled up by social media and ally-friendly websites which gave the show pretty much a ton of free publicity. Definitely nothing cynical about that, no sir.
This show is going to be a massive hit and the showrunners will definitely not blame misogyny or racism or the alt-right when the viewer numbers are abysmal and it gets canceled after one season.
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daffyduck
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Also incels and MGTOW.
Pejo
Member
100% guarantee they already have articles written about how the "toxic fanbase" is sending in death threats or whatever. It's probably like a mad libs that modern day """""journos""""" pass around and leave blanks for the _____-ists and _____-phobes.
This is 1000% baiting for publicity, there is zero reason they had to use the existing IP and zero benefit to fans or new viewers. They can get fucked. I don't even mind Mindy, if it was a new show aimed at adults without all of this nonsense, I'd have given it a watch.
Also, this continues to happen:
Now you can add Barbara Gordon from the cancelled Batgirl movie and both Shaggy and Thelma from this show.
For what it's worth, I have no hard stance on changing races of fictional characters, but holy shit it's hard to ignore the fact that redheads seems abnormally prone to it.
Scotty W
Banned
Subtlety is dead. Everything implicit must be explicit. All surface, no depth.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
Well...Kasem had some points I wasn't fond of either but he and the original cast put their personalites into those characters. Even Joe Barbera insisted on slipping jokes in during board meetings after distribution was sold under Taft. Joe Babera along with many of the original writers and directors on Scooby Doo really wanted to make it fun for families. This clown show now seems like it was written by producers...99% of producers in Hollywood have any clue how to write.
Let it happen though. I think it's funny that these reboot productions over the last 8-years want to best the originals and have all failed miserably. Just hand them the two words on a piece of paper and it's make or break: target audience
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Fred isn’t a buffoon, he isYou forgot shaggy is now black, daphne is now asian and fred a buffoon.
And his rage knows no bounds!
The Pleasure
Member
Fred looks like he just saw Daphne cheat on him with Shaggy while Scoob was sitting back and watching with a bag of scooby snacks.You forgot shaggy is now black, daphne is now asian and fred a buffoon.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The usual tactic by studios and writers who cant make new content. Just take existing franchises and characters, paint them brown, and the corporation gets a check mark on the company's diversity survey.
Media talent at its best.
Media that does this are trying to find that perfect threshold for maximizing sales. On one hand, most of USA, Canada and Europe is white, but for sake of diversity points and getting more sales, they try to walk the fine line making content hoping white people and people who dont care about media being readjusted stick around for sales (sales checkmark #1), while also getting sales boosts from the minority and SJW/Twitter crowd (sales checkmark #2).
Media talent at its best.
Media that does this are trying to find that perfect threshold for maximizing sales. On one hand, most of USA, Canada and Europe is white, but for sake of diversity points and getting more sales, they try to walk the fine line making content hoping white people and people who dont care about media being readjusted stick around for sales (sales checkmark #1), while also getting sales boosts from the minority and SJW/Twitter crowd (sales checkmark #2).
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
imagine a new Blade movie with Tom Holland as Blade. this trend is so incredibly dumb.
daffyduck
Member
That would be "cultural appropriation/racist".
InterMusketeer
Member
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Blade being black is a key characteristic of who he is in the story of his life. Velma's skin color is irrelevant to who she is as a character. She can be any race at all and the character would still work just fine.
If you want to make an accurate comparison you need to do it for a character whose race is not a key point of their character.
///PATRIOT
Banned
No, you're gaslighting as usual. The established appearance of a character, demeanor and as well as its personality, is their identity and how we recognize them. But you already knew that. Do woke leftist leaning people must all have the same bullet points?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Explain to me how the color of Velma's skin is a key point of her character or storyline at any point during the history of the series. I don't really consider myself to be a Scooby-Doo historian by any means, but I grew up watching the entire show and I can't remember her skin color ever being a key point.
Also she does not need to be white for people to recognize the character. Her wardrobe, her intelligence, her glasses, her goofy dance, and her hair are the most iconic features. Not her skin color. If you take a picture of this Velma and you showed it to a thousand people I'm willing to bet that 99% of them know exactly who the character is despite the changes. And the 1% that won't recognize her are going to be the brainless zoomers who never watched Scooby-Doo in the first place.
On top of that if you took another thousand people aside and told them to describe Velma to you they would describe the things that I listed before ever listing her skin color if they even listed it at all.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Blade is a fictitious character. What is so important in Blade's bio and storyline that he has to be a Black guy in all Blade media.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I guess we could go back and forth on that because him being black has been baked into his comics over the years so many times that I genuinely wouldn't know where to start and I'm not about to spend my Saturday night hunting down issue numbers and specific panels. Also I guess you could make the argument that all of that could be thrown out the window if they wanted to reimagine the character, but that's not what the thread is about anyway so I won't derail. If you don't think it's a key part of his character I will just agree to disagree with you.
But it sounds like you are also okay with the changes to Velma in your own way so we agree on that at least.
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Trazyn the Infinite
Member
Remember, it's always ok to change a white character into a black one! But if you try to reverse those roles, you are a racist who wants to remove the character's history and the core of who they are! /s
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Nobody has changed a white character into a black one in this thread. And last time I checked nobody has called anybody a racist unless I missed a post somewhere.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
I have no doubt that I can add at least 10 other names to that list.100% guarantee they already have articles written about how the "toxic fanbase" is sending in death threats or whatever. It's probably like a mad libs that modern day """""journos""""" pass around and leave blanks for the _____-ists and _____-phobes.
This is 1000% baiting for publicity, there is zero reason they had to use the existing IP and zero benefit to fans or new viewers. They can get fucked. I don't even mind Mindy, if it was a new show aimed at adults without all of this nonsense, I'd have given it a watch.
Also, this continues to happen:
Now you can add Barbara Gordon from the cancelled Batgirl movie and both Shaggy and Thelma from this show.
For what it's worth, I have no hard stance on changing races of fictional characters, but holy shit it's hard to ignore the fact that redheads seems abnormally prone to it.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If you dont know the reasons why it's important (even though you stated above it's really important to his story), then you shouldn't comment.
At the end of the day, Blade is a half human/half vampire hunter who mows down vampires. He could look and be anyone. The character could be a Filapino woman if the writers wanted to change it up.
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Shaggy?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Its total projection I noticed
I'm fine with the way Velma looks
But it's Mindy Kaling, can't stand her.
So it's a skip for me
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Oh I thought we were focusing about Velma.
Doom85
Member
Funny how people throw this shit out, yet notice how no one made much a fuss over Angelina Jolie’s casting in Wanted? Despite the fact in the comic the character was modeled specifically after Halle Berry.
Also, Peter Dinklage in X-men: Days of Future Past. Yes, the comic character is white, but X-men 3 had already established him as a black person. And then suddenly DOFP had him white. Sure, a few people went, “well, that’s odd”, but no one was throwing a hissy fit like practically every time a non-white actor plays a character who was usually white.
Not to mention real life stories made into movies. See Argo and 21. Again, no one raised a fuss over ACTUAL EXISTING non-white people being made into white characters for the movie.
So yeah, the claim that non-white characters or even flat out real people are never turned white in film is a load of shit. Stop throwing out this objective lie, Gaf, because that bullshit is getting real old, REAL fast.
Youtube channel Double Toasted did a video recently on the Ariel casting and how the people claiming “oh no, I stand against ALL race changes” and also “a black mermaid doesn’t make logical sense!” were hypocritical or full of shit. Besides mentioning the above examples to counter the former argument, he ripped apart the latter bullshit, saying, “it’s a movie where a girl has a bottom fish half and talks to fish, crabs, and seagulls! Why are you overanalyzing the logic of the possible skin tones of her?!“ and he also points out A) in the cartoon, Sebastian is the ONLY character with a different accent, funny how the “I’m not racist, I’m just using logic” people conveniently ignore that inconsistency, and B) Javier Bardem, who is Spanish, is playing King Triton, yet no one is bitching about him, and I’m sure the fact that he is lighter skinned than Ariel’s actress has zero correlation to how much people whined about the latter over the former…….
Seriously, people, Scooby Doo has a FUCK TON of continuities. Different continuities means they can try different things of all natures. This concept really shouldn’t be that hard to comprehend.
Trazyn the Infinite
Member
You further prove my point. Thanks!
Radical Dreamer
Member
This is absolutely ridiculous xD
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Iconic character? I don’t think anyone but hardcore comic fans would know that character. And that came out 14 years ago. Well before 2016 when blackwashing became a thing.
So, the character is white.
I don’t recall whether anyone made a fuss or not but again pre-2016. Btw, here’s the real Tony Mendez - looks very white to me even though I know that he was only half-white:
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Yeah, they’re a bunch of racists who also happen to be very ignorant so I wouldn’t pay attention to them.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
Looks horrible.
Doom85
Member
Oh okay, so when YOU call people “racists”, it’s a-okay.
And no, they’re not racists. They just call people out on their bullshit.
Doom85
Member
Iconic character? I don’t think anyone but hardcore comic fans would know that character. And that came out 14 years ago. Well before 2016 when blackwashing became a thing.
So, the character is white.
I don’t recall whether anyone made a fuss or not but again pre-2016. Btw, here’s the real Tony Mendez - looks very white to me even though I know that he was only half-white:
-a double standard is a double standard. How iconic a character is is irrelevant
-the movie version wasn’t though. Please actually read my post
-what the fuck does the year have to do with it? People bitched about Johnny being black in the 2015 Fantastic Four. They bitched about Heimdall being black in the 2011 Thor movie. I don’t remember, but I would be shocked if they didn’t bitch about Kingpin being black in the 2003 Daredevil.
You even had dumbasses claiming “stormtroopers can’t be black” when they saw The Force Awakens trailer in 2015. Despite the fact that obviously the Empire had eventually just started using regular people as stormtroopers, and lo and behold TFA even has a First Order officer saying they should consider trying using clones again.
This shit has been going on for DECADES, spare me the 2016 angle.
Paasei
Member
Seems to be a regional thing. They are not on HBO Max here in NL.
phaedrus
Member
You forgot shaggy is now black, daphne is now asian and fred a buffoon.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Sorry missed this post. It's not that I don't know the reasons. I just don't have the exact issue numbers and panels on hand. He is a black man born in 1929. Being a person of color growing up in the following decades played into his character multiple times. He spoke of the racism he as a minority faced more than once since he was originally introduced in 1973. They used him as a lightning rod at times to make socially conscious points. Those events played into his overall mannerisms and attitude as a whole. You do not have Blade without that unless you completely erase the history of the character. Which as I said before you could technically do if you reinvented the character, but I would never support such a move.
Its not that I don't know the reasons. I just don't know the exact issues in question. I knew I was right I just didn't want to waste my night trying to prove it. Especially since its not related to the core argument of the thread and on top of that its a fictional character as you said. I care enough to argue, but not enough to waste my time past the point of reason on a valuable weekend night lol
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Ribi
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If it's a prequel then I'm in just to see how she managed to change her skin color for later series!
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What's next? Will they try to make Spawn black, too?
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
100% guarantee they already have articles written about how the "toxic fanbase" is sending in death threats or whatever. It's probably like a mad libs that modern day """""journos""""" pass around and leave blanks for the _____-ists and _____-phobes.
This is 1000% baiting for publicity, there is zero reason they had to use the existing IP and zero benefit to fans or new viewers. They can get fucked. I don't even mind Mindy, if it was a new show aimed at adults without all of this nonsense, I'd have given it a watch.
Also, this continues to happen:
Now you can add Barbara Gordon from the cancelled Batgirl movie and both Shaggy and Thelma from this show.
For what it's worth, I have no hard stance on changing races of fictional characters, but holy shit it's hard to ignore the fact that redheads seems abnormally prone to it.
Starfire is a freaking ALIEN... Her skin color doesn't even matter as she's not even WHITE!
Hawkgirl gets reincarnated after every death... She was Egyptian, right? Isn't that Africa? Even if she was Greek -Egyptian, the reincarnation but doesn't even mean she has to look the same in every life.
And Kid Flash... Both Wally's are in the same universe now... It's been established that they're cousins. One is WALLACE and the other is Wally.
The Little Mermaid... I'll just list
1. She wouldn't be translucent, as some have suggested, because so many animals and fish down there have varying colors and levels of pigmentation.
2. Hans Christian Andersen's story was very different from the Disney story in how the story actually went (the prince married someone else and the mermaid turned to foam).
3. So the Disney animated movie had Jamaican characters... Implying it didn't take place ANYWHERE near Denmark... And even the original story didn't take place in Denmark since, you know, the mermaids lived ♪under the sea! ♪
4. There are TONS of mermaid myths all around the world... Predating HCA's story. Mermaids don't exist ONLY in European folklore. In fact, it's possible HCA got his idea from any number of non-european folklore tales.
5. The red hair is a uniquely Disney invention for the character.
6. They ain't real.
Not to mention that Marvel and DC have this thing called a Multiverse... It's been long established that there's black, white, Asian, Latino, etc versions of each Prime character...
And the most important of all these things... ALMOST ALL of them (the ones in UK and North America) were written in times where 90% of the creators are/were white and so were the characters they created or "recreated" (some of these stories originally had non-white peoples as the lead). And nothing about MOST of them HAD to be white. And it's still 85-90% white lead characters in books, comics, TV and movies. Most nerd genre fare is still white lead or mostly white cast. No one is hurting for more white leads. And most of the ones you listed are side characters.
Ok, lemme get off this... This is about a Multiverse Velma ... Because there's been 50-11 universes of Scooby Doo series.
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