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Guess we know what DeepEnigma is into.

 

[Goalus]

Just caught up to this.
I'll say this:
Velma being black is disruptive to my being as a whole!
I don't feel protected anymore, and I don't feel appreciated!
How can the writers be this vile and deny my existence?

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

It looks like smn I would like but the Scooby Doo IP just doesn't fit. It should've been its own IP instead coz this doesn't feel like Scooby Doo at all.
I think the whole diversity thing being pushed wouldn't piss fans off as much if it was an original story instead of a bait and switch.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

To be fair, that might just be the trailer. But it also is kind of interesting how Velma herself is presented as the super fan who doesn't want the characters she knows and loves to be changed. It almost does more to legitimize people who feel that way, rather than attack them. It's not the villain who thinks that way here, it's the protagonist.

It's almost suggesting "we know some of you are not going to like this, but don't take it too seriously, because we're not going to." At least that was my impression.

That's an interesting take, I honestly didn't know what the hell they were playing at.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

I'm more annoyed at Shaggy being black now, now that feels like a stereotype, making the only weed smoker in the gang black.

Shaggy is what? Black WTF, talk about loosing the plot.

 

[OsirisBlack]

This isn't surprising at all, it continues a pretty sad trend. It feels as if most of the higher-ups in Hollywood have forgotten who their target audience is. Failure after failure, loss after loss. It's not even for the reasons people keep complaining about. The race swapping is only a minor part of it, but it is odd how it's such a big deal now that it's going the other direction when it has been this way for years in reverse. We can go all the way back to 1953 with Henry Brandon playing chief scar or as recently as 2013 with Johnny Depp in the lone ranger. That bit of history out of the way I am not for race or gender swapping any already ESTABLISHED character for any reason. A character has a history and that history is what defines them. DC recently tried to make a homosexual version of Superman that series is ending at issue number 18.

Why aren't any of these shows or books taking off and finding success? It is not the race-swapping, it is not the gender-bending, it is the constant pandering to an audience that will not support your product. While telling the audience that made you billions in the past to go fuck themselves. There is nothing wrong with a black dwarf, or a black mermaid just as there is nothing wrong with an openly gay superhero. There is a problem when you take characters people grow up with and love and change them fundamentally, turning them into characters that they do not recognize.

The pandering will continue for another 5 or so years until the major studios and their execs swallow their pride and are forced to admit that they cannot ignore the fans and decide what it is that people want to watch. Warner Bros Discovery is already making adjustments the rest will soon follow.

 

[Happosai]

This isn't surprising at all, it continues a pretty sad trend. It feels as if most of the higher-ups in Hollywood have forgotten who their target audience is. Failure after failure, loss after loss. It's not even for the reasons people keep complaining about. The race swapping is only a minor part of it, but it is odd how it's such a big deal now that it's going the other direction when it has been this way for years in reverse. We can go all the way back to 1953 with Henry Brandon playing chief scar or as recently as 2013 with Johnny Depp in the lone ranger. That bit of history out of the way I am not for race or gender swapping any already ESTABLISHED character for any reason. A character has a history and that history is what defines them. DC recently tried to make a homosexual version of Superman that series is ending at issue number 18.

Why aren't any of these shows or books taking off and finding success? It is not the race-swapping, it is not the gender-bending, it is the constant pandering to an audience that will not support your product. While telling the audience that made you billions in the past to go fuck themselves. There is nothing wrong with a black dwarf, or a black mermaid just as there is nothing wrong with an openly gay superhero. There is a problem when you take characters people grow up with and love and change them fundamentally, turning them into characters that they do not recognize.

The pandering will continue for another 5 or so years until the major studios and their execs swallow their pride and are forced to admit that they cannot ignore the fans and decide what it is that people want to watch. Warner Bros Discovery is already making adjustments the rest will soon follow.

This is what I've been trying to say along with the fact they have no clue what the target is. It's corporate Hollywood-minded producers selling a story that gives them fuzzies.

 

[OsirisBlack]

To be fair, that might just be the trailer. But it also is kind of interesting how Velma herself is presented as the super fan who doesn't want the characters she knows and loves to be changed. It almost does more to legitimize people who feel that way, rather than attack them. It's not the villain who thinks that way here, it's the protagonist.

It's almost suggesting "we know some of you are not going to like this, but don't take it too seriously, because we're not going to." At least that was my impression.

It's not interesting at all. It's deliberate, a failed attempt at being clever and funny. Here is what is interesting, it is obvious bait. This is the show writer's attempt to diffuse/deflect that type of rhetoric before it starts by using it as a comedy bit. Sort of a "You can't make fun of me if I make fun of myself." Thing. it just doesn't work and draws the attention and ire of those you are trying to diffuse.

 

[CYRU5_DA_GR34T]

I honestly wonder, are there any ways for a creator who is black/brown or whatever, to make their original stories and somehow signal in the marketing that their work isn't woke, its just art they made?

Coz this shit right here is gonna have people looking at entertainment and avoiding anything "diverse", because woke companies are actively ruining diversity itself.
We could've had cool shit like the Witcher (Polish developer) or Bright Memory (Chinese solo dev), or fucking anime but made by teams from different places, no preachy bullshit, just badass stuff, sold on merit.
Jesus Christ Hollywood has just lost the fucking plot!

 

[jason10mm]

It's a whole new wooooorlllllldddddddd

 

[PuffyCan]

I wouldn't be surprised if thay made scooby doo a cat at this point

 

[jason10mm]

I wouldn't be surprised if thay made scooby doo a cat at this point

Don't joke, some folksught say that the defining characteristic of scooby is that he says "raggy?" and "ruh-roh" and loves snacks, not that he is a great Dane. How important is his canineness to his character???

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

It's not interesting at all. It's deliberate, a failed attempt at being clever and funny. Here is what is interesting, it is obvious bait. This is the show writer's attempt to diffuse/deflect that type of rhetoric before it starts by using it as a comedy bit. Sort of a "You can't make fun of me if I make fun of myself." Thing. it just doesn't work and draws the attention and ire of those you are trying to diffuse.

This. It’s just pre-emptive damage control.

 

[Come On Tars]

They really didn't like her being white eh

 

[Happosai]

They really didn't like her being white eh

It's not that. I checked out their 'producers' the voice actress...it's self insert. This is like the animated version of "I'm Not Starfire"

 

[StreetsofBeige]

This isn't surprising at all, it continues a pretty sad trend. It feels as if most of the higher-ups in Hollywood have forgotten who their target audience is. Failure after failure, loss after loss. It's not even for the reasons people keep complaining about. The race swapping is only a minor part of it, but it is odd how it's such a big deal now that it's going the other direction when it has been this way for years in reverse. We can go all the way back to 1953 with Henry Brandon playing chief scar or as recently as 2013 with Johnny Depp in the lone ranger. That bit of history out of the way I am not for race or gender swapping any already ESTABLISHED character for any reason. A character has a history and that history is what defines them. DC recently tried to make a homosexual version of Superman that series is ending at issue number 18.

Why aren't any of these shows or books taking off and finding success? It is not the race-swapping, it is not the gender-bending, it is the constant pandering to an audience that will not support your product. While telling the audience that made you billions in the past to go fuck themselves. There is nothing wrong with a black dwarf, or a black mermaid just as there is nothing wrong with an openly gay superhero. There is a problem when you take characters people grow up with and love and change them fundamentally, turning them into characters that they do not recognize.

The pandering will continue for another 5 or so years until the major studios and their execs swallow their pride and are forced to admit that they cannot ignore the fans and decide what it is that people want to watch. Warner Bros Discovery is already making adjustments the rest will soon follow.

I think what really amped up minorities in media is that Black Panther made a shit load of money as a 2018 movie. And it’s not like BP is a giant mainstream superhero character like Spider-Man and Wolverine. So every tv show and movie maker saw that and think all they have to do to rake in the cash and infuse minority characters into any show and it’ll sell a ton.

BP is a black character to begin with, but since there aren’t many popular minority characters in cartoons and superhero movies, they got no choice but to override white characters.

 

[LegendOfKage]

It's not interesting at all. It's deliberate, a failed attempt at being clever and funny. Here is what is interesting, it is obvious bait. This is the show writer's attempt to diffuse/deflect that type of rhetoric before it starts by using it as a comedy bit. Sort of a "You can't make fun of me if I make fun of myself." Thing. it just doesn't work and draws the attention and ire of those you are trying to diffuse.

What you said didn't really contradict what I said. Both can be true, and we agree that it's their attempt to "get ahead of it" regarding criticism related to changing the characters. I just find it odd that they used the title character herself to be the "critic" in question.

 

[Valedix]

HBO pulling a Disney Lol, also those comments are hilarious

 

[Happosai]

HBO pulling a Disney Lol

Hollywood pullling a Hollyweird

 

[Wimbledon]

Can we please stop the gender-swapping and race-swapping please! I'm going to keep saying it

"IF you keep the characters as they are, like how people know of them would people make a big deal about race or bring up any political agenda"?

We all know the answer to that question.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Support characters get all the attention these days.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I think what really amped up minorities in media is that Black Panther made a shit load of money as a 2018 movie. And it’s not like BP is a giant mainstream superhero character like Spider-Man and Wolverine. So every tv show and movie maker saw that and think all they have to do to rake in the cash and infuse minority characters into any show and it’ll sell a ton.

BP is a black character to begin with, but since there aren’t many popular minority characters in cartoons and superhero movies, they got no choice but to override white characters.

I don’t think that’s the case. There are a lot of activists in Hollywood who would rather a film or show be diverse and fail than be true to the source material and not have diversity and be successful.

 

[DeafTourette]

I don’t think that’s the case. There are a lot of activists in Hollywood who would rather a film or show be diverse and fail than be true to the source material and not have diversity and be successful.

That makes absolutely no sense. Business doesn't work that way. That sounds like "It must be activism because race swap" ... Hollywood only cares about money.

You think they TRULY care about "woke" or diversity? No. They care about putting butts in seats and counting ticket sales to fatten their wallets. That's all any business cares about. StreetsofBeige is correct... There's fewer mainstream popular POC characters/franchises... So to broaden an audience they do this.

Do they over do it sometimes? Sure. But sometimes they hit it out of the park.

 

[Dthomp]

Easy for me to skip, never have enjoyed anything that Mindy has ever been involved with. She's not funny, and she's a terrible actress. Scooby has a long history...so why not WRITE A NEW CHARACTER to add to the mix? You can add a new black character that a crew member meets, befriends and joins in on the fun. Velma can still...? Come out? but as the her that she was, and this can add a wrinkle to her, instead of changing everything about her to make her said new character and black/asian/whatever. This would also let you keep Shaggy to be the dopey druggy white guy he's always been and your black character wouldn't need to fit the stereotype that you will complain about later when your show is done after 6 episodes.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I've never watched Scooby Doo, though oddly I fully know who all the characters are. Might be from watching all the kids cartoons back in the day seeing all the tv ads. Though I never knew Shaggy's real name is Norville, so goes to show how much I know about it

As for Velma being a minority, doesn't matter... assuming the character or show doesn't turn into some annoying political slant to it, which probably seems it will be (maybe I'm wrong). That's goes for any character.

 

[kunonabi]

I've never watched Scooby Doo, though oddly I fully know who all the characters are. Might be from watching all the kids cartoons back in the day seeing all the tv ads. Though I never knew Shaggy's real name is Norville, so goes to show how much I know about it

As for Velma being a minority, doesn't matter... assuming the character or show doesn't turn into some annoying political slant to it, which probably seems it will be (maybe I'm wrong). That's goes for any character.

Political slant is already confirmed from the character descriptions.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Her being smart, loving a good mystery, etc. is her character.

It's all her character, yes.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

That makes absolutely no sense. Business doesn't work that way. That sounds like "It must be activism because race swap" ... Hollywood only cares about money.

You think they TRULY care about "woke" or diversity? No. They care about putting butts in seats and counting ticket sales to fatten their wallets. That's all any business cares about. StreetsofBeige is correct... There's fewer mainstream popular POC characters/franchises... So to broaden an audience they do this.

Do they over do it sometimes? Sure. But sometimes they hit it out of the park.

You’re right - businesses don’t work that way. But these are woke activists. They don’t make sense. You’d think that if they cared about butts on seats, they wouldn’t go so woke and watch so many movies or shows fail.

 

[MastAndo]

New theme song is fire at least;

 

[strange headache]

rooted in blackness.

WTF does that even mean?
Imagine somebody saying to you he's "rooted in whiteness"...

 

[UnNamed]

You forgot shaggy is now black, daphne is now asian and fred a buffoon.

How brave to have two black characters.

But my definition of inclusivity is having a Indian or Mexican as a protagonist, but of course 2022/2023 is the season for blacks and all the slots on TV are already full, we'll see in season 2025/26.

 

[GymWolf]

Why is the art design for fred completely different from daphne and whoever that black guy is?? It's like they were made by 2 different persons.

 

[Doom85]

How brave to have two black characters.

But my definition of inclusivity is having a Indian or Mexican as a protagonist, but of course 2022/2023 is the season for blacks and all the slots on TV are already full, we'll see in season 2025/26.

Velma is Indian in this show.

 

[It's all in the wrist]

Velma is a fictional character. She could be a pink cocker spaniel for all the fucks I give.

The real question is this: if the show is good, will GAF watch it?

 

[jason10mm]

Velma is a fictional character. She could be a pink cocker spaniel for all the fucks I give.

The real question is this: if the show is good, will GAF watch it?

I'll at least watch the ep where they do a mirror universe plot with the OG scooby gang. You KNOW that is coming.

 

[Hugare]

The most egregious was an actual hero who stepped in to help during the World Trade Center attack in 2001. He was a black Marine sergeant and was race swapped to be a white man. Look it up. The movie was "World Trade Center". They claimed it was an accident but they also said they were being as true to life as possible and working with the families of each character... Except the black Marine hero? Doesn't pass the smell test for me.

And another movie about real people was, I think, called "21" or something... About a mostly Asian crew who used math to cheat at Vegas card tables. They made the majority into white characters and the lead was a white male.

That's from memory... This link lists more ... Both real life and fictional... Pre and post year 2000 whitewashing

http://[URL][URL]https://www.huffpo...-really-gave-a-sht_n_56cf57e2e4b0bf0dab313ffc

[/URL][/URL]



And I posted "pre-2000" because a lot of the race swapping from white to non-white happened POST-2000... Even though there's plenty of examples of post-2000 white washing

"Latino" is 100% non white now?

So I'm automatically not white despite being as white as a corpse because I was born in Latin America?

This list is hilarious. When they start mentining biblical roles, I lost my shit.

 

[daffyduck]

I'll at least watch the ep where they do a mirror universe plot with the OG scooby gang. You KNOW that is coming.

And they portray them as the incel/alt right/misogynist MOTW.

If the series doesn't get cancelled first.

Has anyone figured out what they did to Scoob? A cat that identifies as a dog, as per the speculation?

 

[Evil Calvin]

Race-swapping aside (it's getting old).......just create new characters please...............the animation is terrible. It looks like the animation in training videos at work that I have to watch every few months.

 

[K' Dash]

if you have to change the original chars this much, why not make a new show?

 

[daffyduck]

Because the people involved are "super fans", and it's "empowering" to just change things around.

 

[jason10mm]

And they portray them as the incel/alt right/misogynist MOTW.

If the series doesn't get cancelled first.

Has anyone figured out what they did to Scoob? A cat that identifies as a dog, as per the speculation?

See, you COULD have fun with the old portrayals, the problem with these modern shows is that they take THEMSELVES too seriously, so their jokes come off as mean-spirited and preachy instead of, you know, funny. So I'm expecting a lot of heavy handed crap from this show, the trailer is already setting it up to be a meta commentary more than a legit detective show. But I'm willing to be wrong and that Scooby show from a few years back was actually pretty awesome. The team dynamic holds up if you honor the OG personalities.

100 bucks says Scooby is a chihuahua in this, 'cause it's the opposite, get it guys, GET IT!?!?!?

Of course the joke in OG Scooby is that Scooby is a HUGE dog yet is the most scared of all of them. Change that (this is where his 'canineness' comes into play) and his personality loses most of the relevance.

 

[Alebrije]

If media wants to be inclusive Velma could be a deaf low income woman from Venezuela.

There a more deep inclusive problems that just sexual orientation ans skin color

 

[Billbofet]

This feels like fan-baiting of the highest order. The show is likely not that good so why not lean into the free publicity and create a critic shield in the process.
When it fails, fans will be to blame, if it succeeds it will be credited to the subversion. They win either way and get more content for streaming service #86.

 

[Xenon]

This is just straight up weird. If it wasn't for the pallet swap this show would have never been made. But I guess I can't fault Mindy for cashing in the current trend.

 

[Happosai]

Velma is Indian in this show.

True, Mindy who took charge in like three parts of this mess used...Mindy as the self insert.

Mindy Kaling says 'Into the Spider-Verse' inspired her to make animated 'Velma' character Indian

Mindy Kaling stopped by EW's New York Comic Con video suite to discuss her animated 'Scooby Doo' origin series 'Velma'.

ew.com

"The essence of Velma is not necessarily tied to her whiteness. And I identify so much as her character, and I think so many people do, so it's like, yeah, let's make her Indian in this series."

Same crap that happened with "I'm Not Starfire..."

 

[DeafTourette]

"Latino" is 100% non white now?

So I'm automatically not white despite being as white as a corpse because I was born in Latin America?

This list is hilarious. When they start mentining biblical roles, I lost my shit.

I think when people think "Latino", they think of people who look like Oscar Isaac or J. Lo or Selena Gomez. Most uneducated Americans don't think Latinos come in white, black and even Asian. Or at least LOOK Asian. That's why some time ago I remember some folks laughing that a couple people (white and black) said they were Latino.

The biblical roles .. I think historically those people were darker skinned, not Caucasian (as we identify that nowadays).

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Velma is a fictional character. She could be a pink cocker spaniel for all the fucks I give.

The real question is this: if the show is good, will GAF watch it?

Ifs and buts - since when do blatantly woke shows turn out to be good?

 

[Redneckerz]

All i could think of.

 

[The Pleasure]

Velma getting Jinkies with Daphne?

 

[anthony2690]

This looks awful

What have they done to scooby doo

I loved scooby doo growing up, it peaked at what's new scooby doo for myself.