VG Leaks: BC for NextBox to be an add on, can play offline

chubigans said:
This is the dumbest idea ever. Buying a console that piggybacks off another console to give me BC from my last console doesn't sound like the best way to go about this.
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Is it worse than streaming your back catalogue, which may or may not work, while "always online"?

It's a good solution if the hardware is cheap. It isn't one I'll be interested in otherwise.
 
Buy the new mini-360 for $100 and pay Microsoft store prices for games or buy a used 360 for $100 (they're readily available for $140, will only drop when the new console comes out) that can play used games for dirt cheap and not always require an internet connection.

Tough call.
 
So you need a separate device but it may not even support discs for BC (meaning rebuy digital). That sounds even worse than Sony's streaming solution. If you need to go through that much trouble then you'd be better off just picking up/keeping a 360.
 
So the redesigned Xbox 360 sounds like an Apple TV, a small box that can stream games (bc), video, tv and music. Low power, always on.

Then Durango is the hub, offering the full media experience.

Sounds neat.
 
Good news. Not too keen on the BC thing but Im also not sure how much Ill use BC. Its an option, at least.

The always online stuff is crazy. If this all turns out to be true, then all this outrage for the past month was for nothing, Orths comments meant next to nothing, and Edge was flat out wrong and really jumped the gun.
 
So this will only let you have your digital purchases for BC then? Because the xbox mini doesn't have a disc drive...

Or I'm reading it very wrong.
 
BishopLamont said:
You need the Durango, it says it in the article, and without the Durango you can't play 360 games. That apple tv competitor thing is just fluff, its clearly made to play 360 games.


Read the article. It requires the Durango to play 360 games.
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I'm not seeing where it says that. Since the backwards compatibility is provided by the new model, it would make no sense whatsoever for it not to be able to play 360 games without being networked with durango. If it has no dvd drive it's certainly possible that you have to download the games straight to harddrive.
 
Somnid said:
So you need a separate device but it may not even support discs for BC (meaning rebuy digital). That sounds even worse than Sony's streaming solution. If you need to go through that much trouble then you'd be better off just picking up/keeping a 360.
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No. That's not what it says at all.
 
mocoworm said:
MS delivers ... If true.

Cannot wait for the actual reveal.
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A highly detailed leak on a site with a good reputation for accuracy is probably the more likely interpretation of the truth considering the community and media started taking the pathetic twitter rantings of a moron as a gospel truth a few days ago. C'est La Vie.
 
BlazingDarkness said:
My understanding of the devices;

XBOX360 Mini device
- No disc drive, so it's essentially useless as a standalone XBOX for gaming, but good for TV functionality alone
- Requires an internet connection to function
- Access to the XBL marketplace and whatnot (so it can play downloadable titles)
- Will share some features of the Durango TV (IPTV) functionality (to combat Apple TV)
- Required to play 360 games, when connected with the Durango, can NOT play 360 discs when not connected


Durango
- The new 'new' XBOX
- Plays Durango games etc, uses Kinect functionality
- Will not play 360 games, you must hook up the Mini device once you insert a 360 disk to play (you put the 360 disc in the Durango disc tray, but it runs only when connected with the Mini)
- Requires an internet connection for TV functionality
- Plays used games
- Plays offline games
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BAM! ... Best summary yet.

MICROSOFT, SHUTUP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
 
gofreak said:
It's not?

The report seems clear that it's a new 360, but without a disc drive. It will play digital games. It'll offer network services. It'll be spun as a set-top-box.

It will work without Durango.

However if you put it on the same local network as a Durango, you'll be able to 'remote play' it from Durango - play 360 software over the local network through the Durango interface. If you put a 360 disc in your Durango you'll be able to play that too - presumably it will shuffle data from the optical disc to a reserve on the 360 hard drive and the 360 will play the software from there.

I think you'll be able to connect existing 360s to Durango in this manner also. The new revision is just the latest 360 revision, and it might be styled to sit next to a Durango better, but functionally will be the same in terms of interfacing with Durango.
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Right, its a new 360 that can't play 360 games unless you have the Durango.

....But you can do other stuff? Why would you buy this if it isn't to play 360 games?

syllogism said:
I'm not seeing where it says that. Since the backwards compatibility is provided by the new model, it would make no sense whatsoever for it not to be able to play 360 games without being networked with durango. If it has no dvd drive it's certainly possible that you have to download the games straight to harddrive.
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It says it all over the article, and there's no mention of a hard drive and even if it does, that doesn't automatically mean we can download 360 games and play them on it without a Durango.
 
AgentP said:
That is some strange logic. You don't have to worry about playing your 360 games if MS stops making the 360 because now you can buy a disc-less 360 to play them.
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Yes. When my current 360 dies, I don't intend to buy another one if this news is true. I can simply buy this add on along with the Durango and I'll have access to all my Live Arcade titles as well as GoD titles and my disc games.

I don't lose access to thousands of pounds of content and can continue to buy games from Live Arcade, happy in the knowledge that those games will carry over if I'm willing to spend a little more.

A much better solution than streaming or having to worry about what will happen to my content when my console dies and said console isn't as readily available on the market as they are now.
 
Durango itself will also always be online like any other device (correct with rumors), but it will not be a requirement to play local content and it will not prevent playing used games.
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Halle-fucking-lujah.

BlazingDarkness said:
My understanding of the devices;

XBOX360 Mini device
- No disc drive, so it's essentially useless as a standalone XBOX for gaming, but good for TV functionality alone
- Requires an internet connection to function
- Access to the XBL marketplace and whatnot (so it can play downloadable titles)
- Will share some features of the Durango TV (IPTV) functionality (to combat Apple TV)
- Required to play 360 games, when connected with the Durango, can NOT play 360 discs when not connected


Durango
- The new 'new' XBOX
- Plays Durango games etc, uses Kinect functionality
- Will not play 360 games, you must hook up the Mini device once you insert a 360 disk to play (you put the 360 disc in the Durango disc tray, but it runs only when connected with the Mini)
- Requires an internet connection for TV functionality
- Plays used games
- Plays offline games
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Q0O4
 
Why so much negativity I think that's a great idea. I'm getting a PS4 nextgen and I wish Sony did something similar with PS4. A £99 PS3 Ultra Slim without a disk drive, that plays PSN games only and has Apps like Netflix. Can be connected to PS4 for full backwards compatibility.
 
Somnid said:
So you need a separate device but it may not even support discs for BC (meaning rebuy digital). That sounds even worse than Sony's streaming solution. If you need to go through that much trouble then you'd be better off just picking up/keeping a 360.
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If this is true, then it'd mean MS doesn't have the infrastructure to compete with Gaikai, hence the hardware add-on, right? Maybe Sony's $380 million was well spent after all.

I don't see the point though. If it doesn't have an optical drive then at least use the Durango's.
 
GavinGT said:
It sounds like there's no playing of 360 discs with this 360 mini. I don't think you're going to pop a disc in your Durango, have that disc data streamed to the 360 mini, have the video/sound signal processed there, and then sent back to the Durango. That just doesn't sound feasible, at least not if they're aiming for a wifi interface. More likely, if you want to play 360 discs on your Durango, you'll want to buy an already existing Xbox 360 model that contains a disc drive and connect that to your Durango.
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No I don't think you'll be able to use an old 360 with the Durango, that's the whole point of the new Mini, so it offers TV functionality but also has the benefit of 360 BC. I think it'll do exactly the sort of thing you doubted, putting the disc in the Durango but having it essentially play through the Mini and display on the TV.
 
DaBuddaDa said:
This seems too clumsy and confusing to be 100% true. I'm not sure people are going to understand all of the caveats and connections and purchases and costs they'd have to consider to get this all up and running as intended.
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This is totally believable to me. This is Microsoft we're taking about. Windows Vista and Windows 7 each had six separate editions with stupid names like Ultimate.
 
Sounds good: if you want BC, it is an add-on and not included in the price of the Durango.

Didn't Sony have some patent on an add-on box for the PS3 that would enable PS2 playback, or was that just wishful thinking?
 
gofreak said:
It's not?
I think you'll be able to connect existing 360s to Durango in this manner also. The new revision is just the latest 360 revision, and it might be styled to sit next to a Durango better, but functionally will be the same in terms of interfacing with Durango.
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But how the 360 game audio/video being output ? Through Durango or 360 STB ?
 
This sounds really interesting. So this add-on, what does it seem like it houses? Just a mobo+processor? Does it have everything inside it that a 360 has, nix a optical drive (video card, ram, whatever else)? Does it not have a HDD and instead share with the Durango? I don't have enough knowledge to make an educated guess.

It sounds good for convenience, but for now this seems only half a step better than just keeping both consoles so I dunno if I would want to spend another hundred bucks for it if I pick up a Durango.
 
Absolutely amazing if true, though there's little reason to doubt it from VGLeaks. This successfully kills off every negative rumor and even opens the door for a spec bump too.

I can practically feel the meltdowns.
 
KAL2006 said:
Why so much negativity I think that's a great idea. I'm getting a PS4 nextgen and I wish Sony did something similar with PS4. A £99 PS3 Ultra Slim without a disk drive, that plays PSN games only and has Apps like Netflix. Can be connected to PS4 for full backwards compatibility.
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Please god.
 
AgentP said:
Via what connection and why bother?
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It could be done over your LAN, like other game streaming that works over the network.

Why bother? Convenience.

Say I want to play a XBLA game. Fire up my Durango, and my entire 360 XBLA collection is exposed on there (Durango can check with your 360 what games it has etc.). I can hit one, and it'll play.

In reality the 360 is running the software, taking control input from Durango, streaming AV either back to the TV directly or via Durango. But from my end-user point of view, I'm playing 'through' Durango.

It saves me, as a user, starting up my 360 separately to play that game. This mightn't seem like a great big deal, but it is a nice convenience IMO.
 
That mini 360 is genius.

Not only will it add to 360 LTD (for MS to stay ahead of PS3, if it means a jot) but it gives durango BC all the while giving MS more profit.

Perhaps not entirely consumer friendly at least the option is there, but yeah, genius move from them from a business/profits pov.
 
Somnid said:
So you need a separate device but it may not even support discs for BC (meaning rebuy digital). That sounds even worse than Sony's streaming solution. If you need to go through that much trouble then you'd be better off just picking up/keeping a 360.
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You don't have to buy the games digitally... you put the 360 games on the Durango, and the console streams the disc data to the add-on. Much better solution than Gaikai.
 
GavinGT said:
It sounds like there's no playing of 360 discs with this 360 mini. I don't think you're going to pop a disc in your Durango, have that disc data streamed to the 360 mini, have the video/sound signal processed there, and then sent back to the Durango. That just doesn't sound feasible, at least not if they're aiming for a wifi interface. More likely, if you want to play 360 discs on your Durango, you'll want to buy an already existing Xbox 360 model that contains a disc drive and connect that to your Durango.
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They could install the game to the 360 mini, then play it, right?
 
Reiko said:
Best news in a long while.
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Yeah, it's very good news, it basically negates all of the doom and gloom that's been everywhere.

Only thing people could potentially pick apart now is;
Kinect 2.0 focus
TV focus
Weak hardware specs

But those are moot points if MS brings the software IMO.
 
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