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No possible 3.0?
AstroNut325
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This is what I think we're going to see in Orbis/Durango. AMD and Nvidia aren't designing their GPUs to be more power efficient just because... they see a demand for consoles needing powerful GPUs with TDPs under 200W.
At the minimum I expect a 8850 class GPU. More ideally... 8870. And I don't mind a bigger box to have better cooling to support such hardware.
Expect to be very disappointed. Things have changed since the last set of console launches. If we get 1.8 FT GPUs feel very lucky because Sony and MS are not going to eat much money this time around. Also don't expect a 8000 series they have had specs locked in and been working on them for a while it is going to be modified 7000 series and more likely 7000m series. We will have to appreciate the smaller things these new consoles will bring like much much better texture filtering. I see nothing that would suggest we get a high end console this time around. That and the eye toy2 and kinect 2 will eat the GPU/CPU budget I think both come in every box. They have to compete with nintendo's gimmick in the box.
systemfehler
Member
I could imagine the 8850 in a high power PS4 scenario and hope dies last. I just don't think that anything like the 7970 with such a high thermal budget will be in the next Playstation.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
8850 is the max I'm expecting feature wise and closer to 7850 performance wise. The launch PS3 had a TDP around 170W (~210W at the wall) which included 2 big chips, PS2 chips, HDD, Bluray, RAM, WiFi/Bluetooth 4x USB big fan etc.
I just can't see a 130W GPU being used unless they go for a Wii U style 10 or 20W CPU.
It makes sense that the GPU will be the best AMD can provide at 28nm, for a TPD around 100-120W max and according to the silicon budget they have reserved for the GPU and the CPU.
It seems like Sony will focus on the GPU and GPGPU while Microsoft could use more silicon for more low power CPU cores so there's a higher chance that for Sony the GPU will be the key chip.
If AMD can deliver 3 Teraflops next year under these restrictions, then it's all great
I can see something like the HD7850 being the best we'll see next gen. 130w on 28nm process, 1.76Gflops. If you strip away the 2GB GDDR3 and replace it with 6GB DDR3, optimise a bit and remove a few features unneeded for consoles you could maybe bump it to 1.8+Gflops at 100w. Leaving room for a lowish power CPU, maybe 4-6 Jaguar cores, without needing to push the consoles power consumption to the kind of levels we saw with 360 and PS3. For XBox3 likely a less powerful GPU and more Jaguar cores instead.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
If this happens..... I think sony should pretty much give up in north america. A bit of a exaggeration but that would completely end any chances of them outselling next box in America. I think if they take Europe seriously(a.k.a actually care about countries outside of the UK) they could beat them as well. So that just leaves Japan right? I'm pretty sure ps3 will be poplar there for a long time to come. I also see wii u getting a lot of ps3 ports and those ports not coming to ps4. And since ps4 wont have BC it'll be another vita vs psp situation in japan. If sony cheapens out on hardware I think they'll end up in third again. I also think that the ps4 would overall sell a lot less than ps3 if that happened.
Anybody read/posted these rumours yet? (was lazy and didn't search for them so apologies if already posted)
http://tinyurl.com/bogtqtm
On the "PS4" Side it's almost completely different to what has currently been stated - hardware wise
http://tinyurl.com/bogtqtm
On the "PS4" Side it's almost completely different to what has currently been stated - hardware wise
Yeah, already posted...
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Hiding that site behind TinyURL doesn't make it any more credible.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
lol for real. Already posted and thoroughly shitted on by just about everybody.
Wasn't hiding it just the url was quite long. Was actually having a bit of a chuckle about it
doniewhalberg
Member
I laughed.
If that's what they announce for ps4, I try to hang myself in a cold hotel room, crying about my pointless existence, right before Benjamin Linus busts in and does it for me - whilst wearing the omnitrixviewer.
TheDrowningMan
Member
That's what I would expect to see.
I think we'll see a noticeable jump rather than an enormous leap with these consoles. Diminishing returns are a factor, economics a much bigger one. It would be foolhardy to put out anything too beastly in the belief that you can easily swallow the loss.
phosphor112
Banned
I couldn't stomach reading that rumor all the way through. It's a damn joke.
systemfehler
Member
I am not always so sure about that - selling 2-3 games more because being the lead/superior plattform might help out coping with initial losses a great deal. Of course that doesn't mean Sony should sell the PS4 for a 500$ loss but they should carefully weight all their options.
If the difference between 4GB or 2GB is "1 game" I would rather take the risk. On the other hand calculating that a user needs to buy 25 games to break even is stupid.
Pretty much this. The capability may of PS4 may be best defined by its potential ability to play PS3 games in 1080p. Next gen is all about waggling your appendages and screaming verbal abuse at the screen and that indeed takes a lot of memory and power.
120W, 1.2TF (AMD 76XX) discrete GPU, 2GB DDR3 RAM, AMD A10 5700K, new and mind bogglingly innovative controller.... Yup we'll be lucky to see PS4 get even close to this.
Brad Grenz
Member
Then you missed the punchline at the end about an Ouya version of Modern Warfare 4.
Present those specs to Shuhei Yoshida and i'm pretty sure he'd have a laugh
systemfehler
Member
Are you really so sure about that? Maybe MS will go that route but Sony did not show much interest in new controllers, motion sensors, etc. They want to sell games, consoles, TVs and mobile phones. Where are the AAA titles with Kinect, Move, ... support? Not even Nintendo unleashes the "full" potential of their tablet console combo - Sony going that route would be a big failure.
Let him dream.
kikonawa
Member
Lol. Xbox fanboy a bit?
Tears For Fears
Banned
No power greater than X, MS dying to use this slogan again.
phosphor112
Banned
Please be joking...
That rumor sounded complete BS but activision recently made a studio for mobile COD games.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
It's the reason I pretty much avoid threads like this. It's a bunch of guys who've read a couple digital foundry articles and now want to come across as some sort of authority on the subject.
LOL in that case they could just go on with the PS3, it would be a pointless update since it would be obsolete in a couple of years. Also 'waggling' is dead even for Nintendo.
Sony doesn't make shitty hardware, it's really the only thing that no one can argue about them, PS4 will be designed using the same philosophy behind the Vita, they're targeting 10X the power of PS3 but they will use off the schelves components so that R&D expenses will be limited, they won't lose money and they won't be forced to price it at 500-600$.
It would be obsolete before it even launches in 2013
Eh.. if only that were true... if only.
Backfoggen
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seattle6418
Member
The lack of facts and good rumors on next gen makes me want to have Surfer Girl back.
I´m dead serious.
I´m dead serious.
Haven't heard that name since 2005 0_o
systemfehler
Member
You hope or know ;-) ?
phosphor112
Banned
You keep making implications like you know something.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
Im wondering this too.
Honesty, i don't believe anybody 100% in this thread posting their thoughts about the power of PS4 or 720.
All we have so far are rumours. Thats it.
phosphor112
Banned
I know you don't... lol.
I think SSDHD is still only 60fps in 3D, just that each frame is twice as tall (frame packed) and the TV takes them and splits them out to each eye.
You know the last console to use off the shelf parts? The dreamcast maybe that will get peoples expectations in line. People forget that a high end computer GPUs are going to be doing a lot more work. A console game is going to be at max 1080p. On the PC people have some insane tripple monitor set ups or 1440p monitors. I don't see why a GPU based on a high end 7000m can't deliver some amazing things. Just the amount of memory especially for textures and texture filtering will be amazing upgrades. Also these consoles won't have monster bandwidth. I be pointless to put a 3.5 TF GPU if you don't got the bandwidth to back it up. You can talk EDram but that takes away from the other part of the GPU budget. It is a balancing act. When the jaguar became the CPU of most rumors you should know that it won't compete with high end computers. While the jaguar will be amazing for its die size and TDP it still going to have the IPC close to athlon 64 and low clocks.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
Even if you're just thinking logically the consoles haven't been announced. We can all give reasons why we think the consoles will or won't be powerful, but nothing is set in stone until Sony/MS are up on stage giving us the rundown. Thats how i see it anyway.
Unless you truly do know something.
>phosphor112
Banned
Yeah, each framebuffer is "full frame" 1280x1470. Two 1280x720 images stacked on top one another with a 30pixel black space in between. TV outputs each eye at 60fps, but it would still be 120fps overall.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
That dualpixels article reads like complete and utter fanboy dream. The chances of Sony being able to manufacture dual (or a single large) OLED screens for that visor and sell it for cheap enough are practically nill. I'd love if they do it though, would make for a very interesting console, very Wii-like approach where they give you something that you can't have with other machines and you just have to try it.
Idea with the livewall for MS just makes zero sense to me and is a biggest giveaway that this is some made up BS. You'd practically have to have a dedicated room with almost nothing in it for it to work. No windows, furniture, plants, nothing, just white walls everywhere.
Idea with the livewall for MS just makes zero sense to me and is a biggest giveaway that this is some made up BS. You'd practically have to have a dedicated room with almost nothing in it for it to work. No windows, furniture, plants, nothing, just white walls everywhere.
lordfroakie
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In terms of gameplay, physics and such it's 60fps with two viewpoints. (you can also use same shadow buffers etc.)
REMEMBER CITADEL
Banned
Time flies, but that was much later than 2005. Say, 2009 or even 2010. I know that LittleBigPlanet was already out.
Buahahahah I had a good laugh reading this nonsense. Next gen Siren lol, the bodyguard - hello there Gamesblow, Bump in the night - is this some hentai game? haha. Next gen MM - what does that even mean lol.
systemfehler
Member
I say you are as normal as me. I don't want cameras, microphones, move/touch controls, etc. - a Dualshock controller and a immersive Dark Souls 2 is all I need.