Hmm....interesting,the only ways now to provide PS3 b/c is via gaikai or include the cell in addition to the native PS4 hardware though no cell+ was obvious.
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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BlockheadBrown
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MS' position is pretty clear - Media & Kinect. There's rumors that next gen will have more exclusive IPs coming from MS. Much of the XBL traffic is from media streaming. There've been several reports of MS ramping up even more media content to serve out to owners. Major Nelson's latest post shows that.
Just a thought.
In case anyone was still holding out hope for a Cell+, this was tweeted by a developer:
Nice!
Btw, what's the dig with 256kb part?
Graphics Horse
Member
That's the amount of local memory for each SPU.
Oh yea... now I remember. Thanks!
dragonelite
Member
In case anyone was still holding out hope for a Cell+, this was tweeted by a developer:
Port it to gpgpu..
phosphor112
Banned
Zero changes. We still dont know nothing, maybe even little less than before.
Sony's schizoid nature makes it difficult to ascertain what they'd go with or even if they'd listen to their own studios. Kutaragi's actions were akin to a child with a crayon who thought that every wall was a canvas and it was born of arrogance. That said, if they do come out later than Xbox 720 by a few months then a weaker system in comparison (may be nearly as weak as the WiiU to sell it at profit from get go) would prejudice the PS4 even before it sets foot on retail stores.
Perhaps the best way to introduce a weaker PS4 during next E3 will be to show a box with "PS4" written over it. Then it gets shot right through middle by Kaz Hirai that then results in the "bing" of a Platinum trophy popping up in the large background screen saying, "Brand Suicide".... After this Sony announces they're wrapping up and leaving the HW business to be a third party publisher.
funkystudent
Member
I agree. Sony would be extremely short sighted to release an under powered machine. They fostered an entire first party on the bleeding edge of visual fidelity. Both consoles should be around 10% within each other's range. The true differences will lie within first parties who will code specifically for the platforms.
IIRC, something like 1.0~2.0W per GDDR5 chip depending on speed; things may change when they introduce 4Gbit density at a smaller process node.
DDR3 will be very low power (100s of mW per chip). Even if you run it at highest speed, you're probably not looking at much power consumption for all the chips combined.
zYour Pretty much interested in dooming sony with them doing nothing basically :\ on what they will do with PS4.
Your also the same person who predicts that PS4 will not be a leap over Wii U
I think your the perfect suitable candidate for "lethimdream.jpeg"
Yup,even if it's quite a bit more expensive than the base model i'd be willing to buy it,not gonna sell the PS3 either way but it'd be nice to have PS1-4 all in one box.
wouldn't it be easier for them to just make a PS3 Slim 3 that's the size of the wii and release it for like $100 at that point ?
A premium sku with ps3 chips would have to account for the additional power which means bigger power supply and bigger case .
So sony will either have split the manufacturing chain into two and hope they both sell well while having increased production due to havig to order two different sets of components across the lines
or
they will have to create one box that fits the premium sku into it and produce the same box for the lower end sku.
Just produce it in limited quantities for all i care.
phosphor112
Banned
I still don't see how they'd provide BC over Gaikai. People keep proposing the idea without any way of executing it.
They'd have to have thousands of cell based servers around the world. The undertaking would be more expensive than using x86 servers to run newer apps, or modified old ones (like PS Home, streamed for instant access "zero loading" service), and using tech that can not only BC in the PS4, but be used for power itself.
They'd have to have thousands of cell based servers around the world. The undertaking would be more expensive than using x86 servers to run newer apps, or modified old ones (like PS Home, streamed for instant access "zero loading" service), and using tech that can not only BC in the PS4, but be used for power itself.
Sure and i believe it isn't just me.
seattle6418
Member
I have a solution for you guys, and it´s quite simple. Buy a second HDMI cable, buy a power adapter and have it set up where you can have TWO systems hooked up with the TV at the same time.
It´s like vodoo magic, but apparently some people just don´t know you can actually do this in order to play older games when a new console comes out.
It´s like vodoo magic, but apparently some people just don´t know you can actually do this in order to play older games when a new console comes out.
Among some people this will go down like a fart in a space suit.
That's fine and dandy, but I think a new machine could go further in making it more convenient to make use of your old machine.
i.e. let your new machine 'remote play' your old machine over your local network, so you can access your older machine and library from the new machine and its UI etc. In a sense, unify them together from the user's point of view. And I don't mean remote play in the PSP->PS3 sense, in that I mean your PSN games, PS3 disc etc. should be exposed within the PS4 OS, and it transparently manages the PS3, sends its video feed to the TV etc. rather than you managing the PS3 XMB.
I think that would be a nice feature if BC within the new box itself isn't possible.
This is 100% dependent on the Idea that Microsoft won't want to push hardware.
For instance, Microsoft can sell the console at a much higher loss than Sony, but it wouldn't take much to put them ahead of Sony at a cheaper price in the stores.
Just some quick pencil math:
Wii U sells at about a $50 loss considering that one game almost makes a Wii U profitable.
PS4 might sell at up to $100 loss ($1billion @ 10m consoles)
Microsoft could sell their console with Twice the loss without really having a problem.
The real problem is that Sony can't afford even that $100 loss, that is why the PS3's sale price went up, not down for the holidays, and it's why the Vita isn't getting a real price cut. Just think about it for a minute, if Xbox720 sells with more ram or a faster GPU/CPU for $50 more BOM, then Sony just can't match that.
Some of us don't have a PS3. I was all in to switching to Sony when the PS4 comes out, but the lack of BC has turned me off and I will probably go with MS again. I could go buy a PS3, but I'm not going to buy a console at end of the generation just to play 4 exclusives that interest me.
BC is not even worth it for you if 4 games only interest you out of the many games available
General numbers like 10% are a little meaningless.
Our current porting twins have differences far larger than that in some cases, in different aspects, going both ways.
But importantly they're still capable of sharing content.
I think something like '10%' - depending on what you're actually talking about - is far too tight a margin to place on things before there'd actually be a question mark over multiplatform-ism between the two.
Our current porting twins have differences far larger than that in some cases, in different aspects, going both ways.
But importantly they're still capable of sharing content.
I think something like '10%' - depending on what you're actually talking about - is far too tight a margin to place on things before there'd actually be a question mark over multiplatform-ism between the two.
Reggie lied again and was corrected by Nintendo, it's more than 1 game. As for profits, they make a bit more than that, and considering they probably mean a first party title, it could be as much as $40 per Nintendo title sold, but it was an estimate and the price is certainly because of the low wattage parts (they carry a premium) and Gamepad device.
Here is a break down by Forbes of console titles price. http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/19/ps...pensivegames_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=undefined
Some folks are really ignorant. Bc through gaikai? BC through an add on? It's freakin hard if not out right impossible.
the only technical and feasible way of including BC in the ps4 is adding the Cell in the system. Ofcourse that would make too much sense for the idiots in charge of SCE if we are to believe the rumours
Ken kutaragi apart from being a genius and a firebrand is an incredibly nice person. He is Mr playstation. He left his mark on this world which can't be said by most of his haters on here. Look at all the shit sony have released since his departure. It would be justice when sony releases a weak garbage console in 2014 and then everyone in neogaf will br unable to blame ken for sony the hardware company getting beaten like a POW by a software company
This is doable.
yeah no. last thing we need is to increase the cost of the system by throwing cell in there and either cutting back on performance or passing the cost on to the consumer.
Metalmurphy
Member
Well, yes. That is how Gaikai works.
gundamkyoukai
Member
It will also carry up the price of the system .
I sure if Sony could add cell into PS4 for cheap they would but the question is how much would cost .
There is a whole bunch of problems with adding cell .
Also if the adding cell raise the price to much i rather they add it to PS4 specs.
Psychotext
Member
Yeah, this is exactly why I've still got my old iPhones around even though I've got an iPhone 5. I love having to keep old hardware plugged into my TV and I especially like the idea that I could lose access all my old digital games at some point because they haven't transitioned to PSN 2.0 (Or should that be SEN 1.1?).
It's hilarious how this feature has gone from being "part of the Playstation DNA" to something which apparently only people who have something wrong with them want.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Don't have use PS3 version. Can be use the pc version if they have one. PS only/1st party may have some problem but they can assets it by emulator or rewrite for pc.
From seeing how many people just on here have either extremely poor internet speeds or usage caps.
That's going to be fun to see then.
Don't know why, but never thought about using the PC version of multiplats before in this context.
Would definitely make sense.
My second thought, though, is that they'd presumably have to get agreement with third parties to use that version.
But then again, even to stream a third party PS3 game would require a new licensing agreement, I think, so when agreeing these things with third parties they could pretty easily request use of their PC executable.
Would still leave PS3 exclusives uncovered, but it gets easier to see how PS3 farms might be feasible if only serving a fraction of the content required.
On a side note, I still don't think they'd offer unlimited cloud-based BC gratis...I think it would, at best, be rolled in for free with a PSCloud or PS+ subscription or whatever. What you'll probably end up with is some subset of the PS3 catalog available over the cloud as part of a service (not the whole catalog - anything involving relicensing will rule that out...). With maybe certain amounts of time per month free on games you already own that are available if you subscribe to that service.
Don't cloud gaming services such as Gakai/Onlive use high end pcs? A ps3 would be cheaper than that. They'd probably nickel and dime the process too and end up making money on the ps3 back catalogue.
The ps3 transition to a more pc type environment in the ps4 means the end of the bc difficulty from next gen onwards.
There are things to worry about though. Will the process of transferring my psn over to ps4 make my digital only ps3 games obsolete?
Digital PS3 games are no different than disc PS3 games, in terms of emulation.
However it is much easier for Sony to identify you as the owner of a digital PS3 game than a PS3 disc, and this may be relevant for other services.
Cloud services won't be a simple substitute for backwards compatibility. Its both potentially limited and potentially less limited than local backwards compatibility.
I think Sony will announce as part of its cloud service that you can play your digital PSN games (amongst other things) from any web enabled device, including PS4. It'll be part of a subscription service. I don't think it's something you can think of as a simple surrogate for BC because it'll be both more limited than local BC (likely some games will be missing) and less limited than local BC (you can play them from a whole range of devices, not just your new Playstation). It'll be a different type of thing, but it's something Sony will point at when asked about portability of digital and PS3 games. They'll simply say 'well we now have a service that lets you take that library with you to any device', and make a virtue of its advantages and the truly portable nature of that platform.
Tears For Fears
Banned
GAF will be glorious once ps4 specs are released. The meltdowns are already happening.
I sure hope they deliver at least something good with decent price, i could care less about MS and their 80/90's style products...
Meltdowns from wiiu only owners?
thehypocrite
Member
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Why? Wasn't it already rumoured the 720 will be out sooner and more powerful?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's why the meltdowns are occurring. Also, I think "meltdown" is a huge exaggeration.