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Xbox 720 to cost $100+ less than PS4 then.
Not really. MS are going to have a huge part of the die dedicated to the 32MB ESRAM which is not cheap. It will eat into any savings they have made with a lesser GPU.
Xbox 720 to cost $100+ less than PS4 then.
I also think the WiiU GPU is a lot more powerful than most people assume because of Nintendo Land, NSMB U and ZombiU but i do think the thing that will gimp Nintendo and stop the vast majority of third party games appearing for the system will be Ram. They should have had 4GB's of cheap Ram in WiiU at minimum imo but they obviously don't care about anything other than their own exclusives and the massive selling yearly third party franchises like CoD, Fifa, Madden and Just Dance.
So I am totally naive with respect to what this means; my assumptions are the following:
1. Sony 1st party on orbis will look better than anything than durango
2. 3rd party multiplatforms will look fairly similar but with an edge to orbis provided it is as easy to program for that people are speculating
3. The difference between 3rd party multiplatforms will be like the difference between Xbox 1 and PS2, but this time going in Sony's favor
Are these far takeaways from all of this?
If so; I hope that MS decides to tweak their specs up a little. For example, how much more expensive would the console be to change the ram from 8 gb ram of DDR3 to 8 gb of GDDR5
Yes, and 7850 shares its bandwidth with a CPU on top of that. Or maybe 2.And vice versa... bandwidth being one...
Nintendo didn't do it with the Wii U. They didn't even say anything about the console when it was first announced. It was all about the controller and the games.
Unfortantely it seems like they may be trying to sell to the core and more mainstream/casual audience evenly at the same time. Something that I've argued is impossible before.
Equivocating the Wii's success to the PS2 or PS360's success is disingenuous.I agree, for the massive install bases you need these more 'casual' gamers to bite. MS got a lot of those customers with Kinect and i believe Sony got a lot of them with the fact that PS3 could be used as a Blu Ray player and PSN being free.
Both companies know that to lure that massive market they have to come up with something other than games, be it a new version of Move / Kinect or something we have no idea about.
Some seem to think Sony are all about the hardcore gamer with the leaked specs but they would be mad to ignore the massive casual audience that made the PS2 / Wii / PS360 so successful.
What do you mean by general media?
IGN?
I never see the general media covering video games unless it is political. I just don't see an impact or a marketing strategy around any kind of perceived technical specifications.
Do you think it's possible Microsoft went out of it's way to highlight it as something special? I'd like to know from which developers Aegis was getting his information.
As good as that probably sounds to you, it sounds like the complete opposite of what I want from a games console to me. Windows 8 RT? Kinect? Nothankyou.jpeg
Not really. MS are going to have a huge part of the die dedicated to the 32MB ESRAM which is not cheap. It will eat into any savings they have made with a lesser GPU.
I would argue that it is disappointing across the board. It is by no means what you would expect from a brand new console. Even Orbis's GPU is nothing special in PC terms, imagine how disappointing Durango's seems right now.
Once again, all this considering the rumors are true and still relevant.
That of course if this is all true.
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4gbit GDDR5 chips are slated to enter mass production in q1 2013 [right about now].
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46312657&postcount=6108
It's really one of those non sense theories.
MS is mad if they think hardcore will buy a system over the other because it has great software multimedia capabilities and better kinect.
I think Durango's GPU will be slightly better then the 7770. Even though the RAW flows are almost identical, I think with good use of the ESRAM, developers should be able to achieve better results than what they could have done with a straight up 7770.
While Orbis is by raw numbers more powerful, is the difference between a hypothetical 7770+ and a 7850 enough to make a substantial difference.
I'm really not that worried. Why?
We're seeing stunning games like God of War: Ascension, Uncharted 3, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, Gears of War, GTA V, Bioshock: Infinite, etc on antique systems like the 360/PS3.
Orbis and Durango blow these away specs wise. Those games already make me go wow. I have no doubt we'll see some truly spectacular stuff next gen. People are being way too cynical.
As someone who owns a gaming PC I kind of expect this kind of stuff from Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to hold my interest it's not like raw power is going to.
Question: Do we know if Durango is SoC design ?
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Yeah, I am sure Microsoft built a system that was half as powerful to the PS4 but somehow cost the same.
Yeah, I am sure Microsoft built a system that was half as powerful to the PS4 but somehow cost the same.
I hope that is sarcasm because people most definitely would buy something over the other if it has much better software and multimedia capabilities, hardcore gamer is not the only console demographic.
I really can't see Durango running Win8. Dunno why people keep bringing it up.
In that case we will see if Sony takes the plunge and goes for 16x 4Gb chips.
If they don't what this development does do is remove Microsoft's cost advantage by going for cheaper DDR3. I was under the impression that 4Gb GDDR5 was still 6 months to a year away, but this changes everything for Sony.
It is now possible that Sony will have a better console that is the same or less to produce, if they can secure a decent supply of 4Gb GDDR5 chips.
It is now possible that Sony will have a better console that is the same or less to produce, if they can secure a decent supply of 4Gb GDDR5 chips.
That's what happens when you go for weird architecture. Sony learned that painful lesson with PS3, which has cost more throughout its existence for a similar end product. Notice that Sony have gone with a fully off the shelf architecture this time.
It will run win8 like a win8 phone does. It doesn't mean that there will be a full featured desktop OS since there is no point in that.
Question: Do we know if Durango is SoC design ?
This is where it gets hard to see the forest beyond the threes. People looking to buy these systems on launch and in the first year or two will be gamers. Harcore gamers that are looking to purchase a next generation system that will deliver "next gen" games.
So in the 1st year or 2, it's very important that for your core audience is convinced by the capabilities of the system to provide those next gen games. When 2 companies are releasing systems at the same time, competing for the same crowd, it stands to reason that the main point of comparison will be always related to the main appeal (games).
See if the most appealing part of a videogame console was the non gaming features it possesses, then none of these systems would make sense to begin with.
I wonder when we're gonna start hearing graphics don't matter from Xbox fans
I'm really not that worried. Why?
We're seeing stunning games like God of War: Ascension, Uncharted 3, Halo 4, Forza Horizon, Gears of War, GTA V, Bioshock: Infinite, etc on antique systems like the 360/PS3.
Orbis and Durango blow these away specs wise. Those games already make me go wow. I have no doubt we'll see some truly spectacular stuff next gen. People are being way too cynical.
The performance gap between 7770 and 7850 is huge on pc...
Game Cube and (especially) Xbox did have an edge on the ps2, graphically speaking.
I wonder when we're gonna start hearing graphics don't matter from Xbox fans
Depends on what's your definition of huge.
It's enough to double the frame rate, but not enough, imo, to run a noticeably different/more sophisticated game engine.
Yeah but DC>>PS2>>>>>Xbox>GCN
I wonder when we're gonna start hearing graphics don't matter from Xbox fans
Yes afaik. And it is supposed to be a "monster" SoC too. But the CPU/GPU seem quite small so who knows what else besides the eSRAM makes it so big?
Unless they are creating a device that is going to disrupt the market, they are going to lose a whole lot more than they will gain.
Like Snipes said, "Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
That is pure fantasy.
Yeah but DC>>PS2>>>>>Xbox>GCN
they was more powerful for obvious reasons, Sony didn't "Wii" it with the PS2, it was powerful for the time and aged fast as tech does
that what I mean
This is clearly pointing at MS releasing an extremely affordable system.
$299 launch?
Exactly, let's think at 3 or 4 years from now.The problem is you're using current games to base expectations for next gen, when if there is a system with a noticeable advantage you're going to get an even bigger leap with the exclusive games. So then your expectations will be set on those games and the other system won't live up to it.