bitoriginal
Member
This. From the information we have, mandatory installs and always on (not online) aren't inherently bad things. Will wait for more information before I form an opinion.
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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This. From the information we have, mandatory installs and always on (not online) aren't inherently bad things. Will wait for more information before I form an opinion.
eddfromtheriver
Banned
Good grief... with the size of the next gen games, and having to install them all to play them, this thing has to come with one humongous HD.
Always online is what Edge reported though and they look to be right again.
I don't know why it's even necessary for them to do that but we'll see at the unveiling.
Not "keeping the faith".
Just not going to go down the same road I did back in 2005 when I followed a ton of rumors about the current gen consoles and ended up eating crow (lol). Have just chosen the "wait and see" approach this time around.
I think putting kinect into every system is simply a tactic for better support of the device from devs who are interested in it.
Pretty sure that there are devs that are interested in kinect but don't support (yet) it because it's currently a $100+ separate add-on.
Overall console sales > optional add-on sales.
That's the thing, it could just mean that it continues to automatically update and such when powered off/sleep mode or whatever. From what i read in OP, it doesn't seem to imply internet connection is required to play games.
People do understand that footage/images of you don't actually go anywhere? Do you think its sending footage of you to some guy sitting in a room filled with monitors?
Goldenroad
Member
My laptop is always on and always connected and also requires games to be installed. I'm not really seeing how this would effect me negatively. The required Kinect thing is kind of weak, but again, my 360 has my Kinect constantly hooked up too and it doesn't really bother me all that much, other than the lack of games that use it.
ThatsMytrunks
Member
I like the forced installations. If developers take advantage of that, we could see some faster loading times. Sure we won't be getting SSDs, but it'll be better than optical media, right?
I wonder if we're going to start seeing games with serial numbers attached to them and the disc is purely for quick installing, rather than downloading from a server.
I wonder if we're going to start seeing games with serial numbers attached to them and the disc is purely for quick installing, rather than downloading from a server.
Alx
Member
That's probably the main reason behind the "kinect required" part : several os level features are probably voice-controlled, and that's why you need the sensor available.
FullMetalx117
Member
Sounds pretty ambitious for Microsoft. They are doing something completely different from the norm. Just the meltdowns in this thread is indicative of that. Will be interesting to see if they are successful.
The point they're making in that paragraph is that it stays connected when the console is turned off. They don't mention whether it is mandatory to be connected in the first place. I really wouldn't be surprised though. They said in 2005 they wanted 50% online this generation and got it; I can see 100% next gen
I'm worried about this too, because the Kinect is shit at recognizing me
I bet the same people never buy laptops with webcams built because omg what if ms doesn't care about the law and decides to record you anyways?!?!
Hrmm...I don't see it that way.
For instance, my broadband is always connected but not always used. My PC does downloads and updates in the background without even thinking, hell auto-install the things if you must!
If my net drops my PC still works, except a few things that require internet to function. I can see why people are worried but at this point we just have two sides reading the same text in different ways. MS won't be jumping in to clear this up till they announce the console.
Unless it's streaming FMV or codec-style audio. Which are goddamn huge but well within the capacity of a 2x BD drive, never mind 6x.
It also ain't all that hot if you need one 1MB shirt texture/model out of the 500 that exist, and you don't know which until the character pops on screen. Or will a GTA or Saints Row lock you in your apartment until every single piece of clothing and model of car are copied over? Will there be minute-long load screens if you fire up TESVI after cleaning out the fridge and immediately fast travel to another city? The best-case scenario for play-during-install for games like these is... streaming it except copying BD-RAM-HDD-RAM rather than just BD-RAM.
The full install option is a great option for a lot of games, but it shouldn't be mandatory because it doesn't even fit all of the popular usage scenarios, never mind every usage scenario. (Then again, the same can be said about always-online or Kinect!)
It also completely rules out an early cheap SKU with 16GB-32GB, or probably 64GB, of Flash.
Great post.
A few weeks ago we had a thread about what potential next gen clusterfuck people cared about (hated) more, no used games or always on. I didn't count it up, but it seemed at least 5-1 in favor of always on. Despite how vocal some people are, no used games doesn't seem to be nearly as big an issue. Always on is, regardless of the status of used games, assuming that Microsoft's version of always on is the same as every other form of it we've ever seen, aka can't play without connection.
If I had the XDK program, I would open up every file and scan through everything. The source that sent the author those pics might be deliberate with how much is shown, and that doesn't make sense.
I really hope MS is not THAT stupid, I really do.
They put tape over the lens so they can do things in private.
To download updates and patches for games while the console is off?
I think the "always-on" thing is just so it can do stuff like that but I'm sure you can still play games without an internet connection. MS are not that stupid surely.
Confidence Man
Member
How will your games be authenticated? It says discs are only used for distribution. It could be implied that they'll also be used to authenticate, but the wording makes it sound like you won't need them to be in the drive. Which means either online authentication or kinect authentication, which might make some sense out of the requirement for kinect to be plugged in for the console to work.
I really want the next-gen Xbox instead of the PS4 since I'm so heavily invested in the Xbox system. I also really hate the PS3, it's online and controller. But each rumour coming from the MS side sounds terrible. Going of rumours alone, I think I need to switch to the PS4
What's wrong with the PSN?
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Metalmurphy
Member
I wonder if the must install on HDD is a way to avoid Bluray royalties. It can't be right?
Forcing to install doesn't really make sense, specially considering how much faster bluray drives are now.
Forcing to install doesn't really make sense, specially considering how much faster bluray drives are now.
Or authentication is taken from the disc and stored on the console/gamertag. Take game to friends house, install and load your gamertag up...game works!
ilikesanta
Member
This is the same stuff that Next Gen reported last month http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511924&highlight=durango
Nothing new here.
Nothing new here.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
it's the possibility that is my point....
how long do you think it will take the fbi to try to get a loop hole/back door through Microsoft?
Have read enough case law in my criminal classes to be weary of putting a camera in my living room, not that I do anything illegal lol. Simply want to ensure my privacy.
Edit
It's the same source as other leaks but it isn't 13 months old. This is from the xdk SuperDAE acquired. It's the same source and same info as this kotaku article from a month ago: http://kotaku.com/5982986/we-know-all-about-the-next-xbox-from-someone-who-says-theyve-got-one
The stuff 13 months ago was just a brief overview given out at the summit. Most of the leaks dont come from that
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Great point. That'd be really nice, assuming it's true.
And again, I don't want to pay for a giant hard drive. 250GB is plenty of space for my gaming habits. Anything significantly larger than that would be total overkill for me. I just hate paying for stuff that I won't use. (Edit : Well, I guess game sizes are going to be a lot bigger, too, so that would be the jumbo hard drive to good use.)
Are you saying you have never bought a device that didn't have a feature or component you didn't use that increased the price of the product, I would find that hard to believe.
As for the camera do you genuinely think MS is going to use it to spy on you or leaving it open so that others can.....interesting!!!
What's the problem with it?
The only issue I have with the idea (which I think is a good one in general) is HDD space. If the Durango uses dual layer BD disc at 50GB capacity, that's only 10 games that can fit on a 500GB drive, or 20 on a 1TB drive. And I think it unlikely there will be a 1TB SKU, so 500GB or smaller is far more likely.
Requiring games to be installed will be an arsehole move if the next Xbox still has the requirement that the actual BD disc in in the console to start it up. I will love the day when I can have a console with its entire library available to me, without having to swap disc around.
Kinect has too much effort behind it for it not to be the center piece of their plans. The only thing that I feel certain about is that is will be required / integrated device not a peripheral but rather an integral part of the system. Whether a game supports it or not. You'll need Kinect kinected to boot and use the system. Why would that be otherwise?
MikeE21286
Member
oh this all sounds like a clusterfuck
I imagined how it would be useful in Windows 8, so I made an online user account first. It literally annoyed me 14 times in the first 2 hours of using the system (before I switched to an offline account in disgust).
pharmboy044
Member
I wonder if Sony is also going to require you to install games due to the bluray read/write speed.
UberTag
Member
Who do we vote for in order to make that happen? NDP or Liberal?
Unless they are pushing SSD. Would make sense if they wanted damn fast accessing. Though that pushes the price way up.
dragonelite
Member
Looks like it has the same style SuperGAE used when he posted a screenshot of a durango demo.
But then it has
Durango Specs
Alpha kit Specs
Beta kit specs
Hey, we all feel shame at some point masturbating to the Lindsay Lohan thread.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
building one of these bad boys is looking better and better lol
I know, I don't know why some people don't understand this concept.
I mean seriously how many games do you need to have installed at any one given time? I mean shit at most I am playing 3-4 games max at any one time. You finish with it, hit delete from hard drive. Not a hard concept.
The mandatory installs is actually a very good thing. Better performance is just one benefit. The only good thing about any of these leaks about Durango.
Come on son, you really can't think every game is going to be 50GB?