If it required it it would have said that. Just like the Kinect is required.
VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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If it required it it would have said that. Just like the Kinect is required.
SlipperyMoose
Member
Yeah literally no one asked for this. Kinect will boost sales initially but it will not sustain them, that is where the 'core' audience comes into play. Again, I take everything with a grain of salt until it is officially announced.
Well if they got this information from this documentation, they might just assumed things...
Ok... Again:
- it's not required to be online to play a game
- publishers decide if they want to block used games (they could have done it this gen - see online passes / it could be already done also with SP mode)
- Kinect is required to be plugged in but you don't need to use it.MS wants to encourage people to use it but you don't have to. Games will come again in 3 different kinds : non-kinect, kinect optional, kinect required.
Edit: take it or leave it
- it's not required to be online to play a game
- publishers decide if they want to block used games (they could have done it this gen - see online passes / it could be already done also with SP mode)
- Kinect is required to be plugged in but you don't need to use it.MS wants to encourage people to use it but you don't have to. Games will come again in 3 different kinds : non-kinect, kinect optional, kinect required.
Edit: take it or leave it
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, but even taking Durango out of the equation, I've been pretty turned off by the Kinect and non-gaming entertainment direction Microsoft has taken with the 360. And with Halo 4 being a disappointment, I'm more interested in Sony's first party offerings now.
But I'm solidly on the fence. I could go either way. Or, eventually, both ways.
Alx
Member
Sure, because MS would really want to prevent empty rooms from playing their games...
Galacticos
Banned
- Always on, Always connected
- Kinect is required to be plugged in
- Kinect is required to be plugged in
Figured as much. I think i am going to wait for the official reveal before jumping to conclusions. If indeed they were stupid enough to release a console that required an online connection to play( especially after the Sims incident) ehh...i don't really believe that are so stupid though...
To give people the benefit of the doubt, I would say that nearly every credible rumor about Durango has turned out to be true and the DRM/no used games stuff is one of them. It's just not really related to this (old) info
JohnnySasaki86
Member
This! I keep trying to click on the link, but damnit, it wont work! Lol!
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
good for you, not all of us though want to pay for a shitty product we have no interest in nor are we keen on having an always on device with a camera connected to it always looking at our living room.
of course there will be an option to prevent other players to watch your gameplay feeds just like xbox360 has privacy settings right now
Second paragraph in the OP pic:
"..and will always maintain an online connection so that console software and games are always current."
As if that stuff was updating on an hourly basis and needed it.
- Always on, Always connected
- Kinect is required to be plugged in
i need the link to the original
I must admit, I have been a 360 user for years but recently nothing really interests me. I am well up for some next-gen machines but the games really have to grab me.
dark_chris
Member
Welp, there goes that idea of getting the new Xbox.
BruiserBear
Banned
If Kinect must be plugged in, and online is always required, Microsoft just made my decision on which console to buy this fall a whole lot easier.
Keep the faith.
But why should we. In a vacuum of information, nobody can hear you scream.
Not really, no smoke without fire. Kinect always connected is almost certainly true. If you are going to bundle it why allow it to be packed into the cupboard (where it belongs).
dragonflys545
Member
MS doing them things no one wants. Good job!
Uno Venova
Banned
I don't think they all got it from just one document, they probably have multiple sources on this.
It's not, but then on the 360 you have to wait up to 12 minutes while a game installs, which is really the only negative of it. With Durango, you can start playing before the install has finished, so why wouldn't you do it, even if it was optional?
Did the forced installs on the PS3 stop people from buying that system? Did everybody boycott the games that had forced installs on that system? Nope. It's a non-issue.
The only concerns are whether an online connection is actually required to use the system/play games, and whether used games are blocked, but the article says nothing about either of those things.
Having system updates and game/app updates download automatically in the background = something I want.dragonflys545 said:
Being able to play games while they're still installing = something I want. I install every game I play on the 360 because it lowers noise and improves performance. It's one of the best features MS added to the 360.
Man, whats the big fuss about online?, whats even the point these days not having a console online?
''It uses a familiar x64 architecture and tools, and compared to 360 development, will reduce development time and effort spent on performance optimization.''
So at least its super easy to develop for.
''It uses a familiar x64 architecture and tools, and compared to 360 development, will reduce development time and effort spent on performance optimization.''
So at least its super easy to develop for.
Yeah but it outright states that Kinect is required, doesn't say the same thing about online being required to play games. Either way we'll find out soon enough.
I'd assume you can turn the lens off on the Kinect camera, but it will still be powered on and such.
Is there actually some other reason that may cause the always on except DRM (copyprotection + anti used games)? I can't think of any other reason.
Sure but I am guessing if it drops your game if your net goes out, it will be a big issue. How many games are really going to be suitable to update during gameplay? Updating before I boot is fine by me or at least update when I am not using the console.
The PS4 is going to be heavily pushed as an always connected console as well. Will it enforce it for gameplay? Nobody knows. Same goes for MS.
Kinect has to be plugged in, not used. Internet connection IS NOT required.
Not everyone has a stable/speedy connection though.
And what happens if servers go down? Just look at Sim City.
Oracle Dragon
Member
Ok MS... no stream from disc. I can deal with this if you make it worth my while. Install from disc, it's registered to your box, never need it again (except re-install), and then play without needing it. Think like how games are installed on a modded Wii.
EdibleExplosives
Member
Kinect constantly needs to be plugged in? What if the fucking thing breaks?
This feels like something from a shitty dystopian novel.
This feels like something from a shitty dystopian novel.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, unless the new Kinect somehow really amazes me, I'm going to be pretty annoyed that I have to pay for it. Same with the PS4's camera stuff. I don't see myself ever using it.
This XDK leak is basically the jack of all trades as far as leaks go, I wouldn't be surprised if a source or multiple sources fed the info from this XDK document and only this XDK document.
Uno Venova
Banned
Service outages, relying on someone esle's servers for gameplay.
thiscoldblack
Unconfirmed Member
Always ON, always connected. With Kinect required, always watching...
They're going the way of Square Enix.
Kun Aguero
Member
Isn't that what always connected is? No connection, no play?
radioheadrule83
Banned
That might be because you really know jack squat about it at the moment and have no clue about the games or services its going to offer.
If you've been an xbox fan for the last ten years, I'd wager you'll be interested in what they show.
I'm not talking about you here, but the assumptions and overreactions in this thread aren't even funny. Its just broad, uninformed righteous indignation and 'real gamer' histrionics.
I'm reading stuff like this:
You and I have very different ideas of dystopia!
How the fuck is kinect being included and required any different from having your Wii U sensor bar plugged in, or the PS4 and its included camera bar, which is required for tracking the new dual shock?
As for the always connected stuff - take a look at Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 and you can imagine how that might be useful. I don't know how we've convinced ourselves that the best online service provider out of the three is suddenly only interested in online because they want to take ma physical games and stop me from reselling them! This talk reeks of unsubstantiated fear and FUD
Bring on the reveal!
God I hope MS has something big planned because I'm not sure how the market will respond to some of this stuff.
Could go either way.
My consoles are always connected anyway.
But always on and "no used games" aren't one and the same. I like that it will update everything in the background so my experience isn't interrupted.
From a personal perspective? That all sounds awesome.
From a market perspective? Not so sure.
Could go either way.
My consoles are always connected anyway.
But always on and "no used games" aren't one and the same. I like that it will update everything in the background so my experience isn't interrupted.
From a personal perspective? That all sounds awesome.
From a market perspective? Not so sure.
But it doesn't say that a connection is required. It just says that the console is always connected so that it can download updates even when it's turned off. People are assuming far too much here.
Sadly... I agree. They will somehow force players not to point Kinect to the wall.
The disadvantage here is that when your hard drive fails, you can't just play your games on disc while you're waiting for the new drive.
dragonelite
Member
Then you delete a game.
Pachterballs
Banned
don't have issues with it too much. lets see what the hardware is like eh.
Hmm, nothing we don't already know, and still no indication of how DRM works. Always online is still a major scare and I pray to god MS is watching always online being straight required blow up in people's faces right now.
That Durango overview reads kinda.. Weird though.
LEAK MORE PAGES GODDAMNIT
Surely there's a page detailing the DRM if every game has to be aware of it and provide appropriate stops/freezes/errors, right?
That Durango overview reads kinda.. Weird though.
LEAK MORE PAGES GODDAMNIT
Surely there's a page detailing the DRM if every game has to be aware of it and provide appropriate stops/freezes/errors, right?