Via Tom Henderson: We'll see "Launching on Xbox Series X|S, PlayStation 5, Nintendo Switch 2, and PC" a heck of a lot in 12-18 months

So can they start porting to PC please?
Every Nintendo system since the beginning has a way to dump your own cartridges or discs. So instead of port begging and whining about Nintendo PC ports, take matters into your own hands and dump your own Nintendo games and play them on PC. You know it is some fanboy fantasy bs when you go talking about Nintendo porting 1st party games to PC. It aint never gonna happen.
 
So you're expecting Switch 2 to have a cpu on par with the Series X.

Some of you guys must think these consoles are a gpu in a box.
It should have capable enough CPU to play scaled down next gen gamea at 30fps, especially when you consider it will have DLSS and will render those games at very low resolutions as input resolution.
 
Every Nintendo system since the beginning has a way to dump your own cartridges or discs. So instead of port begging and whining about Nintendo PC ports, take matters into your own hands and dump your own Nintendo games and play them on PC. You know it is some fanboy fantasy bs when you go talking about Nintendo porting 1st party games to PC. It aint never gonna happen.
God bless emulation, but it would be nice for nintendo to at some point release games on PC...not begging but dreaming.
 
Nintendoubters punching the air rn

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I remember these exact rumors for Wii. And Wii U. And NX.

And now this. Nintendo fans never learn.
 
Except your logic completely falls apart when you consider that every publisher didn't force their devs to make games for the Switch when it was steamrolling the Xbox One and PS4.
Smh. You do realise that Switch was outdated tech in comparison to last gen consoles, right? The new Switch on other othe hand will have Ampere as its architecture, one that is more advanced than what is in next gen consoles. Consider the recent specs that leaked that have Switch having more Ram than Series S and also having DLSS that next gen consoles don't have and you're looking at most next gen games running on the system. The only games that could maybe struggle will likely be open world games like GTA and such. If games like Witcher 3 and Wolfenstein were ported to ancient tech like Switch, then it should be a breeze porting new games to a far more advanced Switch 2. This isn't science.
 
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People get nearly every AAA game to run on a Steamdeck without the devs even trying hard. And the Switch 2 is most likely more performant than that. Devs will get games running on the Switch 2 if it's anything near the success of the Switch.
Like Mk1 on switch? its "running" on switch ; )
 
Smh. You do realise that Switch was outdated tech in comparison to last gen consoles, right? The new Switch on other othe hand will have Ampere as its architecture, one that is more advanced than what is in next gen consoles. Consider the recent specs that leaked that have Switch having more Ram than Series S and also having DLSS that next gen consoles don't have and you're looking at most next gen games running on the system. The only games that could maybe struggle will likely be open world games like GTA and such. If games like Witcher 3 and Wolfenstein were ported to ancient tech like Switch, then it should be a breeze porting new games to a far more advanced Switch 2. This isn't science.
This is getting delusional now. Remember when NX was going to be more powerful than the PS4 Pro?

Switch 2 will still be a Nintendo system. I am sure it will punch above its weight when it comes to performance because Nintendo is very talented and will work magic with it, but anyone who actually expects it to go toe to toe with PS5 or even Xbox Series is delusional. Reminds me of when Wii's graphics were going to be magical, remember that everyone?
 
I remember these exact rumors for Wii. And Wii U. And NX.

And now this. Nintendo fans never learn.
All great consoles overflowing with great games...what's the problem here?
Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but it's probably more of a holiday 2025 game. Metroid Prime 4 as a cross-gen launch title seems to be more fitting.
Metroid doesn't move consoles though...and I doubt Nintendo will ever make the mistake of launching a console without a Mario or Zelda game ever again. Mario Odyssey sold more than the entire Metroid franchise combined. Seems way more likely that Metroid Prime 4 is the Switch's swan song with a Switch 2 update when that console launches. We'll probably see Odyssey 2 as a launch game.
 
This is getting delusional now. Remember when NX was going to be more powerful than the PS4 Pro?

Switch 2 will still be a Nintendo system. I am sure it will punch above its weight when it comes to performance because Nintendo is very talented and will work magic with it, but anyone who actually expects it to go toe to toe with PS5 or even Xbox Series is delusional. Reminds me of when Wii's graphics were going to be magical, remember that everyone?
Multiple publications claimed to have seen the demos from the console, the development kits have been at studios for a while now. Digital Foundry recently discussed this and pretty much say exactly the same (they expect many current gen games to be ported over). You still falling to understand that at the very least Switch 2 will be running on Ampere architecture because that's what Nvidia has as of last few years as their mobile SOC, that already gives Switch 2 massive boost. DLSS means you only need to render at 720p and below. This isn't difficult to understand for anyone who's been keeping up with latest news.

And btw, nobody thinks Switch 2 can run current gen games looking similar to current gen consoles, but if you think devs can't make a few cuts from the already cut down Series S ports then you're the one that's unreasonable. You may not even need big cuts since DLSS will make up a lot of ground compared to Series S. I even expect Switch 2 ports to look cleaner than Series S ones while having certain visual features scaled down, simply because DLSS will give a much cleaner image than low resolutions of Series S.
 
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All great consoles overflowing with great games...what's the problem here?
If five games in a library makes a console "great" then sure. Except for the Switch, none of those consoles are "great". Switch is excellent, yes, but that is a testament to the brilliance of the concept more than anything else.

Multiple publications claimed to have seen the demos from the console, the development kits have been at studios for a while now. Digital Foundry recently discussed this and pretty much say exactly the same. You still falling to understand that at the very least Switch 2 will be running on Ampere architecture because that's what Nvidia has as of last few years as their mobile SOC, that already gives Switch 2 massive boost. DLSS means you only need to render at 720p and below. This isn't difficult to understand for anyone who's been keeping up with latest news.

And btw, nobody thinks Switch 2 can run current gen games looking similar to current gen consoles, but if you think devs can't make a few cuts from the already cut down Series S ports then you're the one that's unreasonable. You may not even need big cuts since DLSS will make up a lot of ground compared to Series S.
Yes, and my point is that tin spite of this ease of porting and scalability, expectations should be kept in check. Expect it to get Switch level third party support, maybe slightly more (which is already very good), and then if third parties and Nintendo both manage to do better, be pleasantly surprised. Rather than expecting a primarily third party machine like with the Wii U and then getting mad that those fan fictions didnt come true.

I am sure the switch 2 will do very well with third parties, but anyone who expects it to have the kind of certain third party support that PS and Xbox have is living in a fantasy land. Expect it to be an improvement on Switch, but still way behind the other two.
 
Multiple publications claimed to have seen the demos from the console, the development kits have been at studios for a while now. Digital Foundry recently discussed this and pretty much say exactly the same. You still falling to understand that at the very least Switch 2 will be running on Ampere architecture because that's what Nvidia has as of last few years as their mobile SOC, that already gives Switch 2 massive boost. DLSS means you only need to render at 720p and below. This isn't difficult to understand for anyone who's been keeping up with latest news.

And btw, nobody thinks Switch 2 can run current gen games looking similar to current gen consoles, but if you think devs can't make a few cuts from the already cut down Series S ports then you're the one that's unreasonable. You may not even need big cuts since DLSS will make up a lot of ground compared to Series S.
games that are CPU limited hardly get a boost from DLSS. another things is anything thats not cartoony and cute almost always doesn't sell great on switch. digital foundy also says to be cautious and not too put to much weight into the what the publications are saying lol. they also reported the leak of it being on 8NM so its still way too early to tell what will happen. my guess is nintendo goes for 8nm and the hardware comes out the be the weakest possible scenario like the past 20 years since the GC.
 
games that are CPU limited hardly get a boost from DLSS. another things is anything thats not cartoony and cute almost always doesn't sell great on switch. digital foundy also says to be cautious and not too put to much weight into the what the publications are saying lol. they also reported the leak of it being on 8NM so its still way too early to tell what will happen. my guess is nintendo goes for 8nm and the hardware comes out the be the weakest possible scenario like the past 20 years since the GC.
DF also said they expect S to have big third party support.

8nm will be advanced (if that's what they go for), like the advanced version of 7nm that is in current gen consoles. Being slightly behind in manufacturing process compared to current gen won't be a big factor since we know how Ampere fared vs RDNA2 with those differences. Where this will matter most is battery life. I still expect 5nm Samsung, but 8nm won't be a disaster.
 
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DF also said they expect S to have big third party support.

8nm will be advanced (if that's what they go for), like the advanced version of 7nm that is in current gen consoles. Being slightly behind in manufacturing process compared to current gen won't be a big factor since we know how Ampere fared vs RDNA2 with those differences. Where this will matter most is battery life. I still expect 5nm Samsung, but 8nm won't be a disaster.
I think its best to wait and see. it would nice if nintendo doesn't nickle and dime the console as usual. There are many unknowns for switch. I'm sure it will do great in japan, I do wonder if everyone will still rush to buy it's successor as it seems its just keeps selling and people might not even care for a more powerful switch.
 
If my time here at GAF told me anything, what happens in the real console world is always the exact opposite of what the majority on GAF predicts, especially when it comes to Nintendo. So since there seems to be an agreement that NSW2 will be a huge success, it'll probably become a disaster like the WiiU was.
 
Isn't that mostly because we've been in cross gen land?
A ton of recent cross gen games have been made with the current gen games as the lead platforms. I'm not sure there's a guarantee that the cutover will see a dramatic spike in hardware usage.

Many current gen only games are made that way to exploit the more powerful CPUs and I/O. Switch 2 should probably not be severely lacking in those aspects.
Like Mk1 on switch? its "running" on switch ; )

Or like BG3 and Starfield on the Steamdeck, running decently even without the developers specifically targeting and optimizing for the spec.
 
If my time here at GAF told me anything, what happens in the real console world is always the exact opposite of what the majority on GAF predicts, especially when it comes to Nintendo. So since there seems to be an agreement that NSW2 will be a huge success, it'll probably become a disaster like the WiiU was.
It will be a success , the difference in GAF, will be the tech in Switch 2024. Which won't be that high-end .. but more inline with Steam deck but with DLSS support.

The switch concept is a golden combo for Nintendo , the day they revealed it and the rumors leading up to it, I knew it was gonna be a hit . The switch concept will at least run the next 20 years in my opinion .
 
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I just find it funny how Switch 2 holding graphics back seems to bother nobody as they cheer this news, but anyone mention Series S and everyone swarms up. And I'm one of those who thinks Series S is a disease, but surely peeps have to keep the same energy for Switch 2 that will likely be even less powerful. The irony and hypocrisy is not lost on GAF.
First let's look at the specs. Then we'll decide if it holds back
 
I just find it funny how Switch 2 holding graphics back seems to bother nobody as they cheer this news, but anyone mention Series S and everyone swarms up. And I'm one of those who thinks Series S is a disease, but surely peeps have to keep the same energy for Switch 2 that will likely be even less powerful. The irony and hypocrisy is not lost on GAF.
Switch 2 will be holding back nothing, all engines today are scalable. And the fact you ain't seeing any tru-next-genTM is because you were lied to by MS and Sony, because their consoles actually didn't come out of the gate the most powerful eva.

Not to mention there's no way devs today can afford to create anything you're prob dreaming about.

People need to get a reality check for a couple of things:
1. There's a finite budget to games
2. Handheld form factor and wattage
3. Life.
 
Switch 2 will be holding back nothing, all engines today are scalable. And the fact you ain't seeing any tru-next-genTM is because you were lied to by MS and Sony, because their consoles actually didn't come out of the gate the most powerful eva.

Not to mention there's no way devs today can afford to create anything you're prob dreaming about.

People need to get a reality check for a couple of things:
1. There's a finite budget to games
2. Handheld form factor and wattage
3. Life.
You completely missed my point. My point is about GAF always crying about Series S holding back current gen and yet don't have the same views on the next Switch.
 
If the Switch 2 can genuinely play current gen games, and can rival the current PC handhelds it'll do extremely good business.
 
I doubt it's going to match current gen, so I expect to only get the Switch 2 for its exclusives and third parties for the other two.
 
First let's look at the specs. Then we'll decide if it holds back
Will not be more powerful than Series S or at the very best will be somewhat comparable to it. That's my point, we aren't seeing the outcry regarding it holding back current gen lik we do with Series S. The reality is both consoles will hold back current gen if games are made for them, because games will always be designed around base hardware. I'm of course talking about ambitious games that push the tech and game design forward, there are of course plenty of games that scale down really well because their game design isn't anything complex.
 
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So hold on, maybe I am I misunderstanding this but it could possibly be still 18 months left until the new system?
 
Excited for this. to someone that's a fan of JRPG's, this will be the one console for us.
 
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Smh. You do realise that Switch was outdated tech in comparison to last gen consoles, right? The new Switch on other othe hand will have Ampere as its architecture, one that is more advanced than what is in next gen consoles. Consider the recent specs that leaked that have Switch having more Ram than Series S and also having DLSS that next gen consoles don't have and you're looking at most next gen games running on the system. The only games that could maybe struggle will likely be open world games like GTA and such. If games like Witcher 3 and Wolfenstein were ported to ancient tech like Switch, then it should be a breeze porting new games to a far more advanced Switch 2. This isn't science.
Maxwell was not outdated in comparison to GCN. It also had much better power efficiency, while Ampere is not as efficient as RDNA 2 (on 8nm at least).
 
You completely missed my point. My point is about GAF always crying about Series S holding back current gen and yet don't have the same views on the next Switch.
Did you look at this thread? Literally most people shit on the specs without even knowing anything saying they won't buy poor ports.
 
We'll have to see how PS5 momentum holds up post-2023. Gonna come down to what AAA and AA traditional titles Sony's 1P (and 3P through co-development deals) have cooking up, and of course what 3P exclusives they land, how significant they are, and if their PC strategy accelerates ports of traditional 1P titles or not (IMO it shouldn't). Any combination of those where there's more good than bad could slow momentum down heavily.

Meanwhile, Xbox has been tracking at OG Xbox sales levels more or less the entire year globally, and Starfield wasn't enough to really change that. Maybe finalizing ABK will? Their big games on PC aren't doing that well outside of I'd say Minecraft, Sea of Thieves, Age of Empires and Elder Scrolls Online (two of those only being theirs through acquisitions). Right now I'd say the brand is somewhere between OG Xbox and XBO in terms of overall health (financially, optically, mindshare, software quality).

Although I'd say XBO was better mindshare-wise, and OG Xbox in terms of 1P & 3P exclusives software quality (and especially mindshare-wise with select games, such as Halo and Halo 2). ATM even a tepid Switch 2 should manage to easily outpace Xbox Series at the current rate; real question is if they can be competitive with or outpace the PS5, and that would be Sony's game to lose.
Well cant bank on PS5 momentum slowing, in 30 years thats have never happened ever to PS mid gen or end of gen, not even during the PS3 gen did that happen. Historically they picked up even more momentum mid gen on.
But we have seen nintendo slowed down, and we have seen them launch duds usually when they go head to head with Sony and we have seen this multiple times.
So if nintendo thinks they can go head to head now with a ms that owns abk/beth and a PS5 that is setting records then i think we about to see Nintendo's next dud.
 
Switch 2 will be holding back nothing, all engines today are scalable. And the fact you ain't seeing any tru-next-genTM is because you were lied to by MS and Sony, because their consoles actually didn't come out of the gate the most powerful eva.

Not to mention there's no way devs today can afford to create anything you're prob dreaming about.

People need to get a reality check for a couple of things:
1. There's a finite budget to games
2. Handheld form factor and wattage
3. Life.
The scalable thing is bullshit. One example is shadow of mordor. They had to gimp features for the PS3 version. Features possible on only next gen hardware are impossible on older tech. Which means if you want parity you'll need to compromise/gimp features and ambition, which is what the series S is doing.
 
The scalable thing is bullshit. One example is shadow of mordor. They had to gimp features for the PS3 version. Features possible on only next gen hardware are impossible on older tech. Which means if you want parity you'll need to compromise/gimp features and ambition, which is what the series S is doing.
Ah... you're talking about PS3 which had it's own tech. All chips today are pretty similar, which is also why Switch was able to get ports like Doom and Witcher. Series S issues lie in ram and speed, not features.
 
Ah... you're talking about PS3 which had it's own tech. All chips today are pretty similar, which is also why Switch was able to get ports like Doom and Witcher. Series S issues lie in ram and speed, not features.
PS3 and xbox 360. The type of tech doesn't limit what features you can put. It's all about memory and access speeds. This is not scalable. Only graphics is scalable.
 
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RIP good graphics and ambition. If Series S held us back, Switch 2 will fucking sit on us.
I just find it funny how Switch 2 holding graphics back seems to bother nobody as they cheer this news, but anyone mention Series S and everyone swarms up. And I'm one of those who thinks Series S is a disease, but surely peeps have to keep the same energy for Switch 2 that will likely be even less powerful. The irony and hypocrisy is not lost on GAF.

Such logical thoughts are not tolerated around here, so keep them to yourself please.
 
RIP good graphics and ambition. If Series S held us back, Switch 2 will fucking sit on us.
Xbox best selling machine is a Series S, not X

Nintendo is killing it with the Switch 1, even with an old tegra chip

Devs and players really have to get used to the idea that this ain't going anywhere and adapt lol. The lowest common denominator are selling the most
 
if the switch 2 is weaker than the series s, will we hear that it's "holding back the generation".

I have a feeling we won't be hearing that from a certain group.
 
Xbox best selling machine is a Series S, not X

Nintendo is killing it with the Switch 1, even with an old tegra chip

Devs and players really have to get used to the idea that this ain't going anywhere and adapt lol. The lowest common denominator are selling the most
Except that most third party sales are coming from PC/PS5. series s sold way better the x series cause it was sold out.
 
I'm talking about games you buy the console for.
That doesn't make your sentence any less silly.
Have you any idea what hit games came out after August 2018 (18 months from launch) on Switch?

Even when looking at Switch hardware sales curve it is noticeable how the pace ramped up starting from CY Q3 2019 (Q11 in the graph):
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Except that most third party sales are coming from PC/PS5. series s sold way better the x series cause it was sold out.
I meant for their respective platforms. Series s selling better for Xbox than X, and switch selling almost better than anything else for Nintendo. Yes Sony is also killing it
 
That's so exciting. Can't wait for the specs reveal. I really hope they do a "Pro" version, home console non hybrid model. And make it BC Nintendo, come on!
 
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