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[Jezbollah]

When an inevitable second election is called this year, the Labour Party are in an excellent position to form a majority in the House of Commons, whilst the opposite is true for the Conservatives.

This is assuming that a hard limit in terms of support for Corbyn and Labour hasnt been hit.

 

[hodgy100]

This is assuming that a hard limit in terms of support for Corbyn and Labour hasnt been hit.

Post election polls say otherwise

 

[GrizzleBoy]

This is assuming that a hard limit in terms of support for Corbyn and Labour hasnt been hit.

That would be a strange assumption to make.

If he can take seats away from conservatives in an atmosphere where the media is punching at him constantly from the front, while his MPs stab at him constantly from the back.......

The assumption should actually now be that with more support from within his party, and a renewed, more respected outlook being portrayed from outside it, along with the vindication of the relevance of left wing policies in the UK, there is still a lot more to come.

Also, the conservatives have been absolutely shambolic with failed budget after failed budget, Brexit causing a mess and now this a week before negotiations. They have lost all the trustworthiness they exuded and used to use to batter Labour with.

 

[War Peaceman]

As somebody who was making the first argument before Corbyn's success, what frustrates me about the second argument is that Corbyn had an actual theory for his victory, which he propounded before the election, and which then proceeded to happen. It's not like some unexplainable fluke! He said he'd get high youth turnout and then he did exactly that. That deserves some careful consideration!

This is a very simple and good point.

All evidence from council elections through to general engagement indicated that it wasn't going to happen, but it did.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

As somebody who was making the first argument before Corbyn's success, what frustrates me about the second argument is that Corbyn had an actual theory for his victory, which he propounded before the election, and which then proceeded to happen. It's not like some unexplainable fluke! He said he'd get high youth turnout and then he did exactly that. That deserves some careful consideration!

It just astounds me the lengths people will go to in order to ignore that running on popular social democratic policies was a success!

Corbyn was like their favorite person for the past year to point to and be like "DO YOU WANT US TO BE LIKE LABOUR HMMMM" and now that Labour won they want to attribute it to every other possible factor, like social democracy is an inherent failed position. Like what centrist blob was going to suddenly bring out the high youth turnout to pull stuff like this off?

 

[TomWaitsForNoMan]

Weird that gutter_trash hasn't been back to defend their utter nonsense about the NDP after multiple people called them out on it. Almost like they knew it was bollocks and was hoping no-one actually knew anything about Canadian politics

 

[Jezbollah]

That would be a strange assumption to make.

If he can take seats away from conservatives in an atmosphere where the media is punching at him constantly from the front, while his MPs stab at him constantly from the back.......

The assumption should actually now be that with more support from within his party, and a renewed, more respected outlook being portrayed from outside it, along with the vindication of the relevance of left wing policies in the UK, there is still a lot more to come.

Also, the conservatives have been absolutely shambolic with failed budget after failed budget, Brexit causing a mess and now this a week before negotiations. They have lost all the trustworthiness they exuded and used to use to batter Labour with.

You're assuming all the Labour PLP are suddenly now happy with their leader

 

[pigeon]

You're assuming all the Labour PLP are suddenly now happy with their leader

The evidence suggests most of them are. Which is kind of sad because I thought their substantive critiques of Corbyn had a good basis but it turns out they were all lies and they just didn't think he could win. But I guess there you go.

 

[Jezbollah]

The evidence suggests most of them are. Which is kind of sad because I thought their substantive critiques of Corbyn had a good basis but it turns out they were all lies and they just didn't think he could win. But I guess there you go.

To be honest a lot of the Labour followers, MPs, etc didnt think Corbyn would do as well as he has. I suspect JC himself was one. His rise during the campaign was something else.

 

[Shadowhelper]

He "lost" the election, but he absolutely won the battle, and the conservatives and public know it. The "war" isn't over.

The conservatives are shitting themselves because they know they're fucked and will be able to barely function as a party as a result of this election and Corbyns effort. They're also likely terrified of the very real possiblity that when they have to call another election to function, Corbyn is now in a position to win thanks to this election making a bunch of the nonsense about him being "unelectable" being clearly untrue, and they can hardly stick with the "terrorist sympathiser" line after they jump right in bed with a party know for being exactly that at the first chance they have.

The public have only gotten even more in favour of Corbyn judging by the few polls we've gotten afterwards.

Things are looking up.

Yup! Things are indeed looking up. People wanna nay say no matter what. In a matter of a few weeks he completely erased a 20 point deficit, with zero help from the media.

This time he will have a lot more help, from the media and the voters, as those turned to apathy due to what they were told were inevitable, can now be active voters again.

The manner in which Corbyn made his incredible comeback is just unheard of. Who has awoken so many voters so quickly, by purely appealing to people and by being decent? And, with no help from any media outlet.

I've been following politics for a long time, and Corbyns comeback is one of the most incredible and unmatched runs I have ever seen in politics. Setsup a win at the next election.

 

[pigeon]

It just astounds me the lengths people will go to in order to ignore that running on popular social democratic policies was a success!

Corbyn was like their favorite person for the past year to point to and be like "DO YOU WANT US TO BE LIKE LABOUR HMMMM" and now that Labour won they want to attribute it to every other possible factor, like social democracy is an inherent failed position. Like what centrist blob was going to suddenly bring out the high youth turnout to pull stuff like this off?

From a generational perspective, as somebody who grew up in the last 20th century, it is a genuinely jarring adjustment to start thinking that socialism might actually be popular with the kids who didn't grow up worried about the USSR. And I say this as a socialist who didn't grow up worried about the USSR!

The anti-communist agenda was so dominant and warping for so many years in Western politics that it's disorienting to think it's finally leaving the stage and people can just advocate for nationalizing stuff again.

That said, the theory behind parties like Labour or the Democrats was always that the goal is to get closer to socialism but we have to sneak up on it by using neoliberalism. If we don't have to sneak up on it any more, the liberals should be overjoyed at the chance to start just moving left (without abandoning globalism or social justice). I know I am! It's kind of weird to see who isn't. Are there really a lot of people who just genuinely love overcomplicated technocratic neoliberal solutions to social problems?

 

[K-Marx]

Are there really a lot of people who just genuinely love overcomplicated technocratic neoliberal solutions to social problems?

No, just a lot of conservatives who don't realize they're conservatives.

 

[Wrestlemania]

This is assuming that a hard limit in terms of support for Corbyn and Labour hasnt been hit.

There are almost 60 Conservative seats with less than 10% of the vote between them and Labour. 35 under 5%. Labour taking a reasonable chunk of Lib Dem and Green votes in a lot of those seats would win them.
Given the result last week and it evidencing that there is an actual hope of getting rid of the Tories, plus the swing in the polls already more towards Labour, it’s entirely possibly there’s more to gain if an election comes relatively soon.

 

[benjipwns]

If this parliament lasts five years I will eat Jeremy Corbyn's hat.

Is this some kind of weird British slang for something?

 

[Dirtyshubb]

*edit - wrong thread

 

[Candescence]

May pulled a Malcom Turnbull and ended up with just as bad a result - and keep in mind that the Australian government is a coalition of two parties, with, I shit you not, the minority Nationals having a similar number of seats as the DUP, and a majority that is barely two seats over the line as of last year's early double-dissolution election, which also made the senate negotiations even more painful for the government than they were before. And much like Corbyn's Labour, the Australian Labor Party (yes, I know it doesn't have a u in the name, that's an odd quirk the Labor party has) has gained a lead in the polls past the election that has yet to even remotely be reversed. And May has even more of a shitshow on her hands.

Corbyn has, in effect:

1. Defied predictions of electoral oblivion in a way that was almost the reverse of Trump;
2. Solidified his leadership and both silenced and destroyed the credibility of his internal critics;
3. Invigorated the youth vote in a way that was completely unexpected, with this result encouraging them to try even harder next time;
4. Provided a credible left-leaning agenda that credibly got close to winning an election, destroying Reagan/Thatcher-era assumptions about the electoral viability of socialist/non-neoliberal policies;
5. Obliterated a Tory majority and crippled May's attempt to solidify her ability to argue for a hard Brexit, nevermind keep control over her own party.

The assumption that the Tories can hold government for a full term is based on shaky ground - the DUP are despised and their opposition in Northern Ireland is utterly irate and will do what they can to oppose any kind of agreement to form government, up to and including the notion that it would violate the Good Friday Agreement. I'd be surprised if May maintains her hold on her position, nevermind the party's hold on government.

 

[xevis]

but he lost

Numerically, yes. But..

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