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Vice-Presidential Debate |OT| The Big F$@*ing Deal vs. The Randian from Dairyland

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pigeon

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Canuck76 said:
Poligaf in no way should be saying this was domination by either side.
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You obviously do not know PoliGAF very well. I want to see more polls to see how swing voters felt, but man, in terms of the Democratic base, that was exactly what was required, and I suspect that'll show some poll movement all on its own.
 
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MasterShotgun

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I agree Biden was somewhat condescending for much of the debate, but he backed it up with specifics. It would have gone bad if he just spouted off talking points or vague ideas. Some people may have been turned off by it, but it probably played well with a majority of independents.
 
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devilhawk

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Saying CNN is incompetent and worthless may be the truth, but the sad reality is they reflect the American public much more than GAF does.
 
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Zeliard

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Chumly said:
I felt that Ryan actually made a lot of the same mistakes that Obama did.
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Indeed. Even looking at it purely from a style standpoint, he came across as timid, defensive, and without conviction, with Biden the aggressor. It was the reverse of the presidential debate.
 
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travisbickle

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JHall said:
So I'm an undecided.

Biden comes off as a condescending asshole that rambles.

After these two debates.
Romney/Ryan: 1
Obama/Biden: 1
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Ryan didn't answer any of the questions, he rambled and made personal anecdotes, and at certain points shrugged off the direct questions from the moderator and acted like a condescending asshole directly to the viewers by lying and obfuscating his party's policies.
 
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MetatronM

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Now CNN playing the "Al Gore sigh" card.

Basically, Fox pushing a Ryan narrative, MSNBC pushing a Biden narrative, CNN pushing a Neutral Planet narrative. How plainly predictable.

Regardless, the idea of the narrative coming out of this debate being mixed is pretty much exactly what I expected, and it's exactly what Obama needed.

Biden did EXACTLY what he needed to do.
 
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EatinOlives

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LOL, Democrats can't win, basically.

Don't call out Republican bullshit, you're weak and complacent.

Call out Republican bullshit, omg you're so rude!!!
 
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Sye d'Burns

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Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
Are you on crack?
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Commission on Presidential Debates said:
The format for the first and fourth presidential debates calls for six 15-minute segments on topics selected and announced in advance by the moderators. After the moderator asks a question, the candidates each have two minutes to answer. After their answers, the moderator's job is to facilitate a conversation on the topic for the balance of the 15 minutes before moving to the next topic. The Commission on Presidential Debates' goal in selecting this format was to have a serious discussion of the major domestic and foreign policy issues with minimal interference by the moderator or timing signals. Jim Lehrer implemented the format exactly as it was designed by the CPD and announced in July.
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http://www.debates.org/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=44&cntnt01origid=15&cntnt01detailtemplate=newspage&cntnt01returnid=80

There's no crack involved here. It's the debate format both sides agreed to.
 
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helloresolven

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Chris Matthews with the truth. The civilians of the country control the military, not the other way around. We and our elected officials get to decide when and where they are deployed.
 
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Vinci

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Sealda said:
even as romney obama was happening gaf was doing some serious confirmation bias. i prefer Bidens views but to claim that it was a massacre is just absurd. Both had their moments and it was a heated and fun debate to watch. Everytime Biden did A gaf is like woooooot biden bringin da bad assery yiiiiihaaaaaa! everytime Ryan did A gaf was....pfffff hah ryan such a looooooser....yeah!!!! biden is eating u alive looooooooser. ...how is it possible to be so ignorant!
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Let me tell you: Anyone who felt Obama did well in the debate with Romney is biased to hell and back and potentially blind and deaf. Romney beat him. Period.

Anyone claiming this debate was a draw or that Ryan won is just as bad, if not worse. Biden clearly won this. Ryan had one or two talking points on any issue and simply found alternative methods to hit them, repeatedly. Biden varied his approach to subjects, showed a depth of knowledge on issues, and rightfully laughed when Ryan would basically hit the 30-second rewind button and repeat the same thing again and again.
 
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I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
<- no affiliation, not voting

Biden destroyed Ryan. Did Ryan answer a single question?
 
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Amir0x

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CrankyJay said:
How do you feel about another 4 years from Obama and potential defense cuts considering you're a supervisor at an army depot? Any concern on cutbacks that may affect your livelihood?
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Even if they cut back, unless we go through a BRAC my job is super secure. We've already started rounds of layoffs, and I'm so high on the seniority list - even if I didn't have a vital position - that I'd be in the last 20% of people laid off, and the layoffs are never going to get to that point.

That said, if it WERE to get to that point, my position would be that I do not selfishly want a new war just so I can keep my job. That is not an equivalent exchange, ya know? I am happy Obama ended the war in Iraq, and I'm glad Afghanistan is done in 2014. It's the lack of new wars to justify new defense spending that's the source of any potential closures in the future.

But our depot is uniquely situated to take advantage of offload from the ending of wars. During the BRAC in the 90s, we modernized our facilities and took off MASSIVE amount of workload from other closing Depots. Because of that, we do 1 billion dollars of work per year, and even more when the wars are going at full blast. We're now pretty much irreplaceable.
 
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Wafflecakes

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I take solace in that the vast majority of people who watch the debates watch them on the major networks. Which are at least semi reasonable.
 
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RDreamer

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Vinci said:
Let me tell you: Anyone who felt Obama did well in the debate with Romney is biased to hell and back and potentially blind and deaf. Romney beat him. Period.

Anyone claiming this debate was a draw or that Ryan won is just as bad, if not worse. Biden clearly won this. Ryan had one or two talking points on any issue and simply found alternative methods to hit them, repeatedly. Biden varied his approach to subjects, showed a depth of knowledge on issues, and rightfully laughed when Ryan would basically hit the 30-second rewind button and repeat the same thing again and again.
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Seriously, this.

Ryan was running through rehearsed lines. Biden was swatting lies away and really actually talking.
 
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Duffyside

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Sirpopopop said:
So I suppose you were angry about the debate performance from Romney then?
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Angry? ... No? But I didn't celebrate it, and if you want to go search that thread you'll find I said it was sort of a draw; that Obama was too laid-back, and Romney was too aggressive. So... yup, I'm consistent.
 
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Canuck76

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RDreamer said:
That was the most one sided debate I've ever seen.
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Please son. The healthcare stuff? Taking money from medicare to obamacare? Ryan bringing up all the unfulfilled Obama promises? Ryan lost the specifics of their tax plan. But what else was he dominated in?

Also Biden looked desperate trying to cut ryan off a couple times.

And the pleading "folks go with your instincts, it's old trustworthy joe here"

This was not domination by either side.
 
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JHall

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kirblar said:
How are you undecided at this point, though? (Is the real question)
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Mostly because I don't like either candidate.

I don't feel either are fit to run this country.

Also, I live in Georgia. Georgia is almost always voting republican. If I decided to go democrat, my vote would fall on deaf ears around here.
 
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Kalnos

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The 'what the fuck is he talking about' body language (from Biden) just makes the person seem more real to me, rather than them seeming like a normal boring politician. I don't really see it as condescending.
 
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Thunder Monkey

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Duffyside said:
GAF has a positive reaction to smarmy condescension, surprise surprise.
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Shock of shocks. A group of people that tend towards left leaning appreciate seeing a candidate of their choosing attacking instead of being attacked.

It's just mind blowing. If you spend absolutely no time thinking about it at least.
 
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RumblingRosco

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I'm laughing hard at the Huffington Post website right now.

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