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thepotatoman
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I have to say Ryan's avoidance of the issues was a breath of fresh air compared to Romney's outright onlsaught of lies about the issues.
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Vice-Presidential Debate |OT| The Big F$@*ing Deal vs. The Randian from Dairyland
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You don't plan on voting? What are you doing here then?
In terms of policy. That's way too long for me to type up. Maybe tomorrow I'll sit down and PM you and we can have an intelligent conversation without someone saying "OMG why the hell don't you know who to vote for!!!"
Oh, you mean 30 months of slander about each candidate. Also, maybe I liked to be as well-informed as possible and not let my peers and family tell me who to vote for.
Atramental
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Not sure if acting smarmy or joking?
Anyways, I find the whole "bean" comment ridiculous.
It's completely justified because it's still a joke...
Man-is-Obsolete
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Didn't catch the beginning but did Ryan even once refute or try to clarify the 47% entitled and 30% takers statements Biden brought up?
I found that to be the most damning thing in the whole debate.
I found that to be the most damning thing in the whole debate.
diffusionx
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It's not really baffling when you realize this is how they work. It's called working the refs. They are so deep in their own sense of victimhood that the media essentially has to treat them with kid gloves, lest they throw a tantrum.
We've been hosting that party since 1980 bro. Yea, it sucks.
Oh fuck yah. Landed on my feet with an infinitely less stressful job making more money and doing more of what I originally envisioned when starting my career. I'm lucky and thankful. Just thought the institutional indoctrination at my company was laughable.
We used to joke about our corporate meetings, calling them brainwashing sessions. They'd always show a video with some flag waving with some Toby Keith patriotic song playing. Don't getme wrong, had a good time making defense products and meeting some damn fine people at various Air Force bases.
Just waxing poetic now. This whole thing just intrigues me.
legacyzero
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Delicious tears!
lowhighkang_LHK
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I liked Biden's directness and displayed dominance. But the constant smiling and giggling came across as way too childish.
It's like jesus christ man shut the fuck up and let me hear what Ryan (who very well may be a tool, who knows) has to say. Biden seemed like "that guy" that just annoys everyone when you're trying to have a constructive, healthy political discussion at the dinner table.
If Biden isn't the winner by a slight margrin, I'd consider it a tie.
It's like jesus christ man shut the fuck up and let me hear what Ryan (who very well may be a tool, who knows) has to say. Biden seemed like "that guy" that just annoys everyone when you're trying to have a constructive, healthy political discussion at the dinner table.
If Biden isn't the winner by a slight margrin, I'd consider it a tie.
Problem is that it's politically impossible.
starchild excalibur
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I'm Democrat, liked Biden's aggressiveness, but the reason people are saying Biden was condescending wasn't because of his talking points but because of the constant smug smiling. Democrat, Republican, whatever, that shit has always been a personal peeve of mine.
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I still think Biden won the debate, but I think it would have been a better show without the constant smiling and interruptions. Romney smiled during his debate, too, but it wasn't quite as emphatic and smug IMO. It was more of faux-civility.
MasterShotgun
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My god.
1. So existing tax cuts are more tax cuts now?
2. Yeah, well ending our wars will help that out... I'm not convinced that either side has an idea of when that is going to happen.
3. Not exclusive to one side.
4. Candy Canes and Unicorns, not cutting it.
5. Fuck Big Bird!
Edit: Did Libya even get brought up?
A woman in CNN's focus group called Biden a "buffoon" who "kept trying to distort things" whenever he jumped in.
Meanwhile, CNN's fact checking so far has declared the points of Biden's they've looked as so far as "True" while labeling the points of Ryan's that they looked at as "Misleading."
Some of these people are just operating in some parallel universe.
heliosRAzi
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That was the basis of the episode. The came up with a economic platform that every economist agreed on but none of it could be passed.
NullPointer
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Thanks for bring us back to Earth, xXxDudeBro420xXx.
Thunder Monkey
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Very true.
Just seeing it in action is sickening.
Obama fucked up the first debate. Ryan fucked up the VP debate. Both winners were being unrelenting. Biden didn't have to change any of his positions along the way though.
Romney was an entirely different guy in the debate than he was the days before and days after.
eBay Huckster
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I'll humor your contention that the rate of inflation rather than the size of the debt isn't what matters for a moment.
I don't know, you tell me how you can trust a guy who promises $5 trillion less in taxes, $2 trillion more in military spending, not touching anything big, and somehow not exploding the debt even quicker.
I don't like either party or candidates - doesn't mean I can't watch and comment on the election. I hate the vitriol, demonizing of other party, and naming calling. Neither Obama or Romney make me want to vote for them and I refuse to vote against the one I like the least.
We Americans are always in Conservative government misery, even when we elect "liberals" like Obama.
ErasureAcer
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Any live streams with coverage of the aftermath? Anyone?
SquiddyCracker
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Man your defense job was fucked up.
Every other day when I go to the supervisors meeting they grill us over and over about the Hatch Act and how we have to make sure everyone is aware that there should be NO POLITICAL ACTIVITY on government time. We're only barely allowed to have political bumper stickers on our cars after much debate lol
We're also being given intensive 'sensitivity training' because there is huge swells of racism after Obama won last time; and we're being given the same meetings now about it. A huge "It's the White House, not Black House" graffiti; ripped down Obama calendars/photos, numerous "sand ******" comments caught; three employees fired for their comments. We're trying to avoid this disaster this year
Angelus Errare
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Fixed for you, because none of these fake shmucks are my voice or anyone else of common sense.
Thats fair enough I just don't see why anyone would want to put themselves through all this bullshit if they aren't at least planning on voting.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I was saying earlier that Biden doesn't come off well with women. He sounds a bit chauvinistic. My wife said it right away and a little bit later my girlfriend pretty much said the same thing.
Damn liberal media and their lies
Pretty much this. Also:
Palin set the bar pretty low even for republican standards. Thats why almost every sentence out of a republican´s mouth can look like a breathtaking surprise.
heliosRAzi
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WTF is CNN doing with this shit?
Well, Obama promised to cut the deficit in half and look where that has gotten us. Also--- how many GD times does Romney (and or I) need to state that there is no $5 Trillion dollar tax cut. Shit is maddening!
Ravensmash
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I love how the primary criticism of Biden is that he was 'condescending' or 'interrupting' (and he was, but the moderator was pretty amazing tonight), and not actual points of substance.
Obviously a politicians character and tone is still fairly important, but it shouldn't be the overriding point in a debate like this.
Obviously a politicians character and tone is still fairly important, but it shouldn't be the overriding point in a debate like this.
Thunder Monkey
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