VICE - 'Thug Kitchen' is the latest iteration of digital blackface
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Wuthering_Heights
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For the most part, yes.
Love me some Thug Kitchen, everything I've made from them was delicious.
looks like gaf was eating this shit up a year ago.
I'm not really sure what to think. I think im more upset I didnt come up with this dumb shit myself. They are going to make a lot of money off changing the verbal delivery of recipes.
do the recipes use black vernacular extensively? some of it just seems to using swear words.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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This tortured logic is certain to change some minds.
Arozay
Member
I'm all for people having a pitchfork war, I'm just not that invested in internet articles about the use of swearing.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Certainly reducing this story to that is going to change the hearts of those impacted by it.
It's not.
Thug is used as code all the time in the sports world. If you listen to sports radio you will regularly hear callers going on about how basketball or football players are thugs but fighting in hockey is great. Even Mike Francessa has learned to sniff that sit out for what it is
It's also painfully obvious what these authors were going for. That said, wish I thought of it first
It's also painfully obvious what these authors were going for. That said, wish I thought of it first
It should be no surprise that two white people run it. That's racist as fuck, and it's so fucking offensive when "thug" is used as code for Black.
These people weren't trying to talk like legitimate "thugs". There are tons of white thugs (that being, white people involved in violent crime, bar brawls, drug dealing, etc) but instead the word is used as a euphemism for AAVE. Calling that dialect "thug talk" is saying that all Black people are criminals.
These people weren't trying to talk like legitimate "thugs". There are tons of white thugs (that being, white people involved in violent crime, bar brawls, drug dealing, etc) but instead the word is used as a euphemism for AAVE. Calling that dialect "thug talk" is saying that all Black people are criminals.
I know this is all the way from the first page, but I was actually interested in this so I made a simple Google News search for the word thug and looked through recent news stories. My conclusion is that it seems that in the UK everybody who acts aggressively is a thug (and that's mostly white people, for obvious reasons) while in the US the word barely seems to be used at all.
It wouldn't be used in an article. Check the comments sections and you'll find it.
WASP goes back decades, but is quite out-of-date now. It harkens back to a time in which being of Irish, German, Polish, or Scandinavian descent wasn't considered as "wholly American" than being of entirely English stock.
Being Catholic, of course, is much less foreign now than it was in the earlier part of the 20th century.
Yeah it really isn't a code word over this side of the pond. Thug is used as its dictionary definition.
Dog Problems
Banned
I made a thread about this in the past. I liked the stuff they posted because it gave me new things to try and I discovered it at a time when I was changing how I ate for the better. It also made me laugh, at times. I really never thought more about it beyond that but this thread has been an eye-opener.
pants
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Yeah this is something about this site I didnt quite get till recently-ish. I mean I knew it but the increase in social topics put it into sharp focus.
Ravensmash
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As a Brit I was going to say the same!
The idea that the word is perhaps coded is absolutely alien to me. Not denying that it may be, but the original article had be scratching my head somewhat.
ElectricKaibutsu
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No problem
. I find GAF to be quite enlightening when it comes to race/gender issues. It's a diverse bunch and I'm glad I can ask questions about this kind of stuff and get good answers.Whitechocolatekrispies
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Isn't it more racist to assume the 'thugs' and the way they speak is black?
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Well, it seems that it is indeed a code word in the United States, so that's them just acknowledging its code status as a code word.
I keep forgetting that americans have such different views on things.
jim-jam bongs
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Fenderputty
Banned
Ive used the term thug for quite a few different races. When I used to rave we would look for the "thuggiest" Asian person we could find to but X. To me, thug was always a way somone presented themselves. My mother uses thug for anyone who wears a hoodie, regardless of race.
thetrin
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You're hopelessly out of touch. WASP has been a term for decades.
Yeah, here in the US, thug is most definition also used as a code word instead of it's actual definition. In controversial cases like Trayvon Margin and the Ferguson case, the first thing the media does with these cases is try and thug up their image in a manner of dehumanizing them. We then have people on comments acting the same way, about them being worthless thugs and praising their deaths like this:
Michael Brown: Son, Student, Thug?
As for thug kitchen, they obviously knew what they were doing. Thug kitchen for using language like that? I can only image the giggles with each recipe.
All of a sudden it's like a person didn't die, but instead a threat. Like a favor was done for society. Here's a pretty darn good article on this:
Michael Brown: Son, Student, Thug?
As for thug kitchen, they obviously knew what they were doing. Thug kitchen for using language like that? I can only image the giggles with each recipe.
Foxy Fox 39
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Yup. Like I said earlier, read any comment section on controversial happenings involving blacks and "thug" is the pejorative of choice, even when said black person(s) hasn't done anything thuggish.
Thug just means a criminal to me. Doesn't matter the race of person. I use the word every now and then.
I know some conservatives use it as a dogwhistle, but I'm not concerned with that.
But was it ok to find the meme funny?
I know some conservatives use it as a dogwhistle, but I'm not concerned with that.
But was it ok to find the meme funny?
Thug Kitchen doesn't really use African American vernacular. It really is just like dorky thug language
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that the people running it are white. It's practically written in the voice of those guests who come to tell your 8th grade class not to fuck your life up with drugs and are inevitably 10 years behind in their lingo.
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that the people running it are white. It's practically written in the voice of those guests who come to tell your 8th grade class not to fuck your life up with drugs and are inevitably 10 years behind in their lingo.
Pretty much. It just looks like they took a normal recipe and sprinkled a couple of "fuck" all over the place.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
This is from "one page" early on in the life of the site:
Random picture of a black kid:
ALL of the reader letters look like this, it's possible they wrote the "letters" as well:
And "mayo is nasty" probably an attempt to pretend to be black as well.. a common sterotype espoused by black comedians.
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dorky thug language = white people parodying the way they think black people talk.
Ingueferroque
Banned
I don't equate Thug with race. And what is it with Waspy? Double standards much?
Same. One makes me wonder how different people's reactions would be if they were black. Pretty sure all of the people saying that it's racist would just say it's funny.
I'm certain you would be wrong and that's not because this isn't actually funny but because people criticize black comedians all the time for making fun of black people with no nuance and no overall message. Dave Chappelle, Key and Peele, Aaron Mcgruder, and even Chris Rock all faced criticism in that regard. Dave Chappelle famously quit his very popular highly rated show in part for this reason.
Don't believe me? Here's a black comedian crticizing Key and Peele's show with a skit of his own: http://youtu.be/PB_qVp3SxDk
Anyway, this isn't comparable to what The Onion does mainly because the Onion wouldn't do this. If The Onion even did something resembling this they would choose to parody the white people that thinks it's ok to mimick harmful black stereotypes to make their food website standout. Basically it would be very similar to the old "Black people love us" website posted many times before in this thread. Where's the nuance in exclusively regurgitating what white racists think black people talk like? What's the political statement The Onion would be making doing so? How would that be enlightening? How would it be clever? How would it be funny?
People's reaction wouldn't be different at all
While I get the sensitivity to the word 'thug' in certain connotations, reading that blog, it isn't even close to african american vernacular.
It is just regular old english with lots of cursing. It could just as easily be titled 'sailor's kitchen', though I think that might bring up incorrect nautical theme impressions in the reader's head.
There isn't even any slang from what little I've read, just lots of curses. The first thing I though of were all the 'Manly guide to [insert hero] in dota 2', these recipes use the exact same language. Less all caps though, I'll give them that.
It is just regular old english with lots of cursing. It could just as easily be titled 'sailor's kitchen', though I think that might bring up incorrect nautical theme impressions in the reader's head.
There isn't even any slang from what little I've read, just lots of curses. The first thing I though of were all the 'Manly guide to [insert hero] in dota 2', these recipes use the exact same language. Less all caps though, I'll give them that.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
The language Thug Kitchen use is really no different from the language used in Epic Meal time.
They dialed it back a bit. It was worse before.
The Technomancer
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The difference is that if The Onion or The Daily Show came up with it, they would very much be doing it as an absurd way to highlight racism. Which isn't at all what these guys are doing
Also one off gag =/= long running blog
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Come again?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Because what this discussion really needed was someone to tell people how they would behave in a hypothetical situation.
You don't even have to imagine a hypothetical as I pointed out.
SquiddyCracker
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