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Video shows cops fatally shooting Calif. teen on ground
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"Suicide by cop" shouldn't even be a thing. Police should not default to "fire off a few dozen rounds into the suspect" as a response. Fucking unbelievable. And these people are supposed to "serve and protect" us? Get the fuck out of here. I feel safer not dealing with police. Then again, I'm a black guy, so I probably am.
The general populace gets to carry guns with very few real restrictions.
This is why the police response is fucked up. If you want to disarm the police, disarm the populace.
Mammoth Jones
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Their lives are risked as soon as they put on the badge and the uniform. Once again, if they not willing to take the risk or are too cowardly to confirm the presence of a lethal threat then they don't belong on the force.
Reasonable is the keyword. Just having a hand somewhere scary isn't reasonable justification to gun someone down to any sane person. Shit there was a guy shot when the cop told him to get his wallet and he turned to his car to get his wallet and he got shot. That's not reasonable. Once again if they don't want to take the risk then go the fuck home and be a family man. Be a dentist. Be a baker. Be a God damned massage therapist.
I'm well aware that it's legal. But we should adjust the law to stop shit like that. Suicide by cop does exist which is why cops should be properly trained to handle it without obliging the individual.
I probably post this too often but, particularly with everyone saying 'Suicide by cop' like it's nothing, it's worth reminding those US residents still in some sort of delusion that this is behaviour that should be condoned that not every confrontation with firearms has to end in death, even when one side wishes to die:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1085270
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1085270
LightofRohan
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiqfM2GR4E
Imagine if they had their tasers out or tried to go for a spinning leg shot.
Sometimes this shit happens fast and you have to act fast, if you fully comply and remain calm you reduce the risk of getting shot by someone holding a gun at you.
I don't get it, a lot of people here call cops "THUGS WITH GUNS", well if they are thugs with guns, then don't fucking resist to a thug that has a gun.
Imagine if they had their tasers out or tried to go for a spinning leg shot.
Sometimes this shit happens fast and you have to act fast, if you fully comply and remain calm you reduce the risk of getting shot by someone holding a gun at you.
I don't get it, a lot of people here call cops "THUGS WITH GUNS", well if they are thugs with guns, then don't fucking resist to a thug that has a gun.
Did the cops do anything wrong here or is it entirely the dead person's fault?
old manatee
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ReadingRambo
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If anything he should've been frisked when they first made contact but they wanted to get him out of the restaurant first I guess. They may not have felt they had cause to cuff him and thought it would just be a simple matter of escorting him off the premise or putting him in the drunk tank for a night.
If they felt they had no reason to frisk or cuff him, why would they have reason to shoot him?
ReadingRambo
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He drew a gun on them? Did you watch the video? This is a justifiable shooting.
old manatee
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The officers in your hypothetical scenario sound much more cautious than the actual officers that gunned down an unarmed man.
The article says he had no gun.
ReadingRambo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSiqfM2GR4E
This guy.
BTW this one was likely suicide by cop. It was a BB gun. Man was apparently going through divorce. Sad.
and one last edit about this particular shooting
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/07/02/these-videos-of-a-texas-police-shooting-show-how-body-cameras-can-vindicate-good-cops/
Oh ok. That's a different video.
LostMyNarbles
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A quick search shows he had a BB gun, but as BB Gun's tend to be in this day and age it looked strikingly similar to a handgun and that isn't something the officers are going to be able to spot. Regardless he drew on them with it.
ReadingRambo
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It's the video you asked the other guy about.
I didn't see it. I thought he was referring to the OP.
uncelestial
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Terrifying video. You can see how gun culture makes being a cop horrifying and how it forces cops to act with their reactive brain, which is lizard-like and full of all the racism and unconscious biases that good people work hard to move past.
...At least, you are able to see that in the case of THIS video, where the cop shooting is clearly justified. When the cops are going apeshit on unarmed black people it just feels like straight up race murder.
Jmanunknown
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At some point people have to get tired of police officers killing fellow citizens when it can be avoided.
starchild excalibur
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Pretty much. There's a reason why cops go around most of the UK without having to carry guns on them.
drotahorror
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I guess this incident was pretty much open and shut on gaf in less than 12 hours.
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article88554422.html
^The parents and their lawyers viewed the police footage and have agreed not to show it to the public at this time due to what's going on in Dallas.
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article88554422.html
^The parents and their lawyers viewed the police footage and have agreed not to show it to the public at this time due to what's going on in Dallas.
17 Seconds
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why does that seem odd to you?
Good job reading the article and jumping to conclusions.
The body cam footage was released this morning. When they first shot him he wasn't doing anything but walking slowly towards the cops with 1 hand behind his back. There were no sudden movements, they just shot him. Then on the ground there was at least 5 seconds where his hands were visible or up in the air, the cops could have easily pounced on him as he was noticeably wounded. Instead they shot him again as he stupidly reached into his waist band very slowly.
There were 2-4 cops there before the first shots, they could have easily had one of them tase him. Then on the ground they could have easily jumped on him to secure him or tase him. It is clear from what Dylan said that he wanted to get shot there, but I don't think the shooting was very justified.
There were 2-4 cops there before the first shots, they could have easily had one of them tase him. Then on the ground they could have easily jumped on him to secure him or tase him. It is clear from what Dylan said that he wanted to get shot there, but I don't think the shooting was very justified.
killamajig
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Police body cam video of the fatal shooting.....
Very NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypEN1ay5i78
Very NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypEN1ay5i78
What a fucked up country in that regard? suicide by cop what the hell?
The Video is scary? Arent you guys living there not afraid?...
grap3fruitman
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What else are you supposed to do if you want to die?
Edit: Watched it and the guy just looked understandably shocked at having guns pointed at him for no reason. I would've been shot for the same thing if it were me.
Ray Wonder
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Statistically doesn't happen often enough, imo, for me to be afraid. Also, I'm not going to walk towards cops with my hand behind my back, so that lowers that by a bit at least.
Cops shouldn't have shot him, but dude was also making it difficult for them. Coming closer and closer for what? I could call it either way.
Look at this video, and see if this guy was quick enough from hand behind back to shooting the cop to show you why I think that.
https://www.facebook.com/waltonandjohnson/videos/10153866139033473/
CassidyIzABeast
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Yeah suicide by cop. He was walking towards them with his hand behind his back the whole way.
Ray Wonder
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Maybe they'll say he was dying slowly, so they wanted to put him out of his misery? I don't know what they'll say tbh.
How fucking crazy and trigger happy are the police. The fact that the cop pulls his gun and aims at the truck while he is still driving and there is no risk of any kind. Does he think it's a movie? Obey or die it's as simple as that. Your society has to be so far gone to look at this and think it's justifiable.
Even if a police officer is a veteran on the force they would still look for those same movements, that's what keeps you alive to see your family at the end of the day. Being a cop is a shitty job at times, I'm sure they were not thrilled with having to take those actions but when you're are in situations:..,,things happen.
People act like there is enough time to do psych evaluation and consult with therapists during a 2 second window. It's super easy to judge situations at your own leisure and safety after its all said and done.
Why the fuck was dumbass pig driving with a gun aimed?
There was 0 room for de escalation here when you're driving a vehicle with a gun aimed? What the fucking hell.
the creepy part reading about this on social media, is that a lot of us americans, pathetically, accept "suicide by cop" as if that isn't illustrating deep rooted problems with its lack of mental healthcare, and police training. Just "oh well, he wanted to die so he walked towards some police with his hand behind his back. And they dropped him" -- Thats cool? No need to try to deescalate a situation, taze the man, find out if theres an actual threat?
This cop drove to the scene like Mel Gibson in lethal weapon.
So the kid just went out for the day, knowing he'd get pulled over for his Suicide?
Hes not even wearing full camo.
Nor does he have a rifle in his HAND.
White folks, don't play games with police. That ship has officially sailed.
There was 0 room for de escalation here when you're driving a vehicle with a gun aimed? What the fucking hell.
the creepy part reading about this on social media, is that a lot of us americans, pathetically, accept "suicide by cop" as if that isn't illustrating deep rooted problems with its lack of mental healthcare, and police training. Just "oh well, he wanted to die so he walked towards some police with his hand behind his back. And they dropped him" -- Thats cool? No need to try to deescalate a situation, taze the man, find out if theres an actual threat?
This cop drove to the scene like Mel Gibson in lethal weapon.
So the kid just went out for the day, knowing he'd get pulled over for his Suicide?
Hes not even wearing full camo.
Nor does he have a rifle in his HAND.
White folks, don't play games with police. That ship has officially sailed.
sankt-Antonio
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"Reaching for something" being an excuse enough to kill someone point black in "the" first world country is shocking and sad.
there has to be more to it then police training, racism, mental health care neglectance and the 2nd amendment.
there has to be more to it then police training, racism, mental health care neglectance and the 2nd amendment.
The Faceless Master
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Not gonna plant my flag on this one for the initial shots but those shots on the ground were just straight up murder.
Ray Wonder
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https://www.facebook.com/waltonandjohnson/videos/10153866139033473/
NSFW guy reached and shot while being extremely respectful and non confrontational
TheBaldEmperor
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Kinda feeling the same. Awful to see.
Sure it happens. Nothing is polar. But that's the job as it's more often than not that there is no weapon. Especially with police deaths from guns being in the minority in the usa.
That is the danger. But you can't roll up to a scene with your gun already out while driving and expect any other outcome. Then they double tapped him on the ground.
A lot could have been done when you have 2 officers with guns out. None of it was.
Cops should shoot/disable all vehicles since they kill them more than armed citizens do.
(Just like my reaction to recent events, this is generally how I feel when I see this happen.)
Wow, those cops are stupid to the highest order.
They disabled the perpetrator and had light years to dive in and restrain him, they were looking for any reason to shoot.
Despite the fact the guy who got shot was acting weird, fake reaching for his waistband, it went way too far after the first shots. It's the second volley I'm angry about.
The training those police officers get must be really poor, I can't put it any other way.
No attempt at de-escalation of force, no understanding of how much their weapons wreck a human being, no understanding of the trauma a person can go into and how they may not be fully lucid and in shock.
If we had officers here tag along they'd be thinking what the fuck are you doing, are you a moron? you've done enough.
Edit: I honestly expect them to jump on him after the 4th shot, knees on his back and neck and two others standing on his arms like you see.
I mean, you actually can find vids of cops trying to detain a corpse, they can be that dense.
I'm not generalising, just speaking about these specific instances.
Wow, those cops are stupid to the highest order.
They disabled the perpetrator and had light years to dive in and restrain him, they were looking for any reason to shoot.
Despite the fact the guy who got shot was acting weird, fake reaching for his waistband, it went way too far after the first shots. It's the second volley I'm angry about.
The training those police officers get must be really poor, I can't put it any other way.
No attempt at de-escalation of force, no understanding of how much their weapons wreck a human being, no understanding of the trauma a person can go into and how they may not be fully lucid and in shock.
If we had officers here tag along they'd be thinking what the fuck are you doing, are you a moron? you've done enough.
Edit: I honestly expect them to jump on him after the 4th shot, knees on his back and neck and two others standing on his arms like you see.
I mean, you actually can find vids of cops trying to detain a corpse, they can be that dense.
I'm not generalising, just speaking about these specific instances.
No, it's not. Anyone can have a gun in the US. The police response is a direct, rational response to this. The US's bad gun laws make it way easier for men to commit suicide in the US, a reason the rates are so high is that easy access to firearms lets men follow through on their impulses pretty much instantaneously.
Suicide by Cop isn't an issue with police behavior, it's a corollary to the individual gun issue. It allows citizens yet another way to have easy access to firearms.
This kid is getting pulled over by 3 cop cars w/ guns pointed at him. This clearly isn't a run of the mill traffic pullover, and whatever they're him over for, he knows it's going to be bad. He decides in the moment to deliberately mime behavior he knows will get him killed. That's not on the cops, that's on him.
Mackenzie 92
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I don't think the 3rd and 4th shots were necessary. He was not a threat at that point and both hands are visible.
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