DenchDeckard
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I guess he didn't know this stretch of road? What a shame. Terrible corner.
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Vince Zampella, video game developer behind ‘Call of Duty' franchise, killed in crash
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STARSBarry
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Pretty much, although I would argue that without all those things your still a fucking idiot to do it. If you think about it for a moment, the consequences not just for yourself but for your passengers or the fucking family of 4 that could show up on any bend, you wouldn't do it.
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Unknown Soldier
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Seriously. If you are actually going to roar down a winding mountain road like it's a car commercial or a James Bond movie, you would do well to drive the stretch first following the speed limit to learn the road before you try tearing down it at 100+ mph
As a gamer, Zampella should know better than anyone that you can't get good at Need for Speed or Burnout until you've raced the tracks a few times and memorized them
DenchDeckard
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Completely agree. You should never really push it on a road you don't know. Fair play giving it a little beans but not pegging it.
Just, a terrible loss of two lives.
Never do it with a passenger either, wtf
captainnapalm
Member
When the mistake ends in literal death, I don't think you can really use the 'I guess you've never made a mistake' thing.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
Dudes here trying to gaslight people into believing that not following speed limits is somehow a normal everyday thing that the average joe just forgets to do and could happen to literally anyone.
Might want to start obeying those dude, its really not hard. Is the number above the number on the sign? Take your foot off the accelerator and apply the break, keep doing that the rest of your life, its dead easy.
But theres a reason that this will massively dominate the conversation, and will forever be what hes remembered for.
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Cyberpunkd
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Yes, living the dream of smashing into a concrete wall. Glorifying sport cars outside the racing track is as stupid as glorifying smoking and alcohol.
Umm......ok?.....sure.
calico
Member
I don't think 'RIP' and 'yeah don't do that' are mutually exclusive.
If you wouldn't do it with a passenger, surely you shouldn't be doing it on a public road which has many other not-you people you could end up killing? The only thing standing between killing only yourself driving like this and killing an innocent (or multiple) is blind luck.
The above characterisation of driving like this as just 'being dumb' is very generous.
If you wouldn't do it with a passenger, surely you shouldn't be doing it on a public road which has many other not-you people you could end up killing? The only thing standing between killing only yourself driving like this and killing an innocent (or multiple) is blind luck.
The above characterisation of driving like this as just 'being dumb' is very generous.
DeepSpace5D
Member
Can't help but wonder if they could've moved that large rock on the side of the road before attempting this, if they would've survived.
RIP.
RIP.
It's a disgrace but for the fuck sake it's pure insanity such stuff, thankfully nobody else is involved. Man too much money destroy the mental health what I can say.
Randall365
Member
The problem is that sports cars sound too awesome when you accelerate hard in a tunnel - like the Monaco Grand Prix. Probably should have a sign before saying 'slow down when exiting tunnel' but then I guess there might be one now.
Rip
Rip
Unfortunatecookie
Member
RIP to Mr. Zampella.
xrnzaaas
Member
Why not both. Installing barriers in potentially dangerous places doesn't require an astronomical budget. Yes, speed is the main reason for fatal crashes, but like I said you can also get distracted (or in this case blinded by the Sun), have a slower reaction, slippery surface, an animal on the road or a sudden puncture. Letting the barrier take the hit is much safer than slamming into concrete or falling down the cliff.
Or they could at least make the bare minimum and fill the tunnel with warning signs, wouldn't be surprised if that happens now.
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DenchDeckard
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It's just common sense, and always been a rule where im from that if you are wanting to take your car out and go for a spirited drive, you always do it on your own. That's all I was saying.
If he had not taken the passenger out, they would be alive. It's as simple as that.
Radical_3d
Member
He lost control of the car pretty quickly here, on a not so narrow curve. Is there gravel on the road or American cars live up to their reputation?
Madjaba
Member
Yeah the lack of barriers was definitely the main reason this tragic situation occured
Just respect the speed limit, don't go all mighty with cars far too powerful and you'd be alive for Christmas.
Sorry but it's so stupid to lose your life and kill others for a few seconds adrenaline.
Just be safe on the road that's all you have to do when driving...
Unknown Soldier
Member
Well considering that was a Subaru Forester in that video it was a Japanese car so ???
Peroroncino
Member
Exactly. I've been doing it for years and I don't believe for one second, that people acting all sanctimonious haven't done it too. But I only do it by a significant margin on highways when I see the entire stretch of the road.
Doing it in a tunnel was way too risky, but it still fucking sucks, I hope both him and the passenger rest in peace.
They especially would never break the speed limit if they owned a Ferrari. Never. First gear only.
ValiantInstance
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Not do well, it's essential. Even a seasoned racing driver would not go full throttle on a course they haven't driven before.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Initially I had sympathy when I first heard about he was killed in the car crash.
When I discovered he was entirely at fault and killed another person, fuck him.
Play stupid games, win stupid prices.
Fuck anyone who thinks the roads are their personal playground. Want to drive fast? Go to a race track.
When I discovered he was entirely at fault and killed another person, fuck him.
Play stupid games, win stupid prices.
Fuck anyone who thinks the roads are their personal playground. Want to drive fast? Go to a race track.
ElFenomeno
Member
Got to 55 but with the brain of a teenager who just got his first car. Extremely irresponsible behaviour. RIP to both.
Boss Mog
Member
What's that video? Looks AI-ish to me.
clarky
Gold Member
Yeah dude put in work. This is a big loss to the gaming community.
GHG
Member
I believe that's a subaru.
Regardless, there's a crest in the road as you come out of the tunnel (just at the start of the turn), you can see the suspension decompress if you watch it in slow motion which means no more load on the tires so that = no ability to turn any more, which is why it spits him off in a straight line.
You can clearly see the crest here:
As he comes out of the tunnel he's actually slightly over the center line, plenty of load on the front tires (car tilted forward, you can see front of the car is tilted down) as well so it looks fine at this stage:
But then they come over the top of the crest and you can see the suspension decompress on both front and rear (the gap between the tires and the wheel arch), at this point the tires are barely making contact with the road. In fact, there are shadows under both the front and rear, so the car is in a small "jump" at this point:
It's really unfortunate, but it's a demonstration of what can happen when you're overconfident and going too fast on a road that you don't know as well as you think you do.
At the speed he was going every detail matters, it's not just good enough to know the turn angle. Is there a change in elevation before/mid or after the corner? Is there a change in surface before or during the corner? Those details matter as when you increase the speed you are going your margin for error greatly diminishes. Even at much slower speeds that combination of tunnel in to a mid corner crest will catch plenty of people out, especially those in cars with far less cornering capability.
I don't know whether or not he has his racing license where they teach you the smaller details covered above, and strongly advise you walk along the road you are about to drive fast on (so that it's easier to spot things like changes in elevation). From his Instagram it looks like he did frequently take his cars to tracks, so he should have known better (and more importantly, should have saved this kind of behaviour for the track where it would have been far safer in the event of a mistake).
Really sad to see, and it's sad he doesn't have the opportunity to learn from this mistake. RIP.
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clarky
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I wouldn't even dream of driving one of these types of cars even if I could afford one, basically a racing car with a number plate.I believe that's a subaru.
Regardless, there's a crest in the road as you come out of the tunnel (just at the start of the turn), you can see the suspension decompress if you watch it in slow motion which means no more load on the tires so that = no ability to turn any more, which is why it spits him off in a straight line.
You can clearly see the crest here:
As he comes out of the tunnel he's actually slightly over the center line, plenty of load on the front tires (car tilted forward, you can see front of the car is tilted down) as well so it looks fine at this stage:
But then they come over the top of the crest and you can see the suspension decompress on both front and rear (the gap between the tires and the wheel arch), at this point the tires are barely making contact with the road:
It's really unfortunate, but it's a demonstration of what can happen when you're overconfident and going too fast on a road that you don't know as well as you think you do.
At the speed he was going every detail matters, it's not just good enough to know the turn angle. Is there a change in elevation before/mid or after the corner? Is there a change in surface before or during the corner? Those details matter as when you increase the speed you are going your margin for error greatly diminishes. Even at much slower speeds that combination of tunnel in to a mid corner crest will catch plenty of people out, especially those in cars with far less cornering capability.
I don't know whether or not he has his racing license where they teach you the smaller details covered above, and strongly advise you walk along the road you are about to drive fast on (so that it's easier to spot things like changes in elevation). From his Instagram it looks like he did frequently take his cars to tracks, so he should have known better (and more importantly, should have saved this kind of behaviour for the track where it would have been far safer in the event of a mistake).
Pakoe
Member
Many times, on an open stretch of highway that I know. Not in a supercar (ive rented one before), on a unknown road in a tunnel. Thats just fucking stupid.
RIP to a legend tho
Pedro Motta
Gold Member
RIP, what a loss 
I know he was speeding and all, but if it wasn't for that unleveled concrete slab on the side he would just be fixing some paint and a broken suspension.
I know he was speeding and all, but if it wasn't for that unleveled concrete slab on the side he would just be fixing some paint and a broken suspension.
clarky
Gold Member
Didn't he live in the area? Not looked into the story. If he never drove that section of road before then it was foolish, I'll agree with that.
clarky
Gold Member
I don't think so, he'd be eating the rock face instead. Looks like the barrier should be longer if anything to me.RIP, what a loss
I know he was speeding and all, but if it wasn't for that unleveled concrete slab on the side he would just be fixing some paint and a broken suspension.
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Pedro Motta
Gold Member
Exactly, if the barrier was longer through the length of the curve he would have been ok(ish).
calico
Member
The common sense thing would be to understand that the reasoning you are applying to the passenger applies to everyone else on the road you are choosing to endanger, and then to choose not to drive like that, ie. the choice the vast majority of people make.
As soon as you do it on a public road you are not doing it 'on your own'; you have dragged everyone else into it whether they want to be involved or not, and in fact they have even less say than a consenting passenger would.
The other video posted in this thread demonstrates this, where at the same spot someone choosing to behave this way lost control and crossed the other lane - blind luck they didn't kill someone else. The pictures showing how shitty visibility is suggests that -even if the road continued straight- the driver is again relying on blind luck for there to not be an unexpected hazard in the 90% of their braking distance they can't see.
I think there's a world of difference between straying over the limit and going out with the intention of driving so recklessly that you understand it is too dangerous to do it with a passenger in the car. There is no manner of driving which is both 'so dangerous that I shouldn't do it with a passenger in the car' and 'safe enough to subject everyone else on the road to'.
ValiantInstance
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Strong Redditor energy from the people saying fuck him.
Shmunter
Member
The White Phosphorus crowd?
BosmerCulter
Member
Many people have lost loved ones because of drivers like him, whether they're passengers or just passing by. I won't insult him, because I find that disrespectful, but I understand some people's reactions and his driving could have cost the lives of many more people.