I dunno if I'm weird or whatever, but I feel like sharing private conversations without at least asking the other party if they are OK with doing so first is a bit scummy (unless it's some egregious shit or illegal or something like that).
"It was weird because I felt like a house Asian, like I'm her servant,"
Cho is in the wrong, but the "dragon lady" reasoning is not valid and is kind of racist that their approach to "we can't have a dragon lady" is "no Asians."
Yep. Swinton kind of set up Cho for failure, too, knowing what Cho would say and knowing what to say in response. Probably made Cho feel silly, and so she lashes out.Looks like Cho was pissed that she didn't know anything about the movie or the role and the criticisms were pretty easily swatted away by Swinton.
Tell me to fuck off if you feel like it.
I thought it was funny that pretty much the whole email chain is nice and respectful and amiable, but at the end of Tilda's first email she's like
Like whoa that's going to kind of a weird place in tone all of a sudden.
So that's why I like her so much. It all makes sense now.She's Scottish.
One thing I can appreciate here is that for an ancient beast that doesn't do social media, Swinton is that rare celebrity who doesn't put her foot in her mouth when faced with a diversity conversation and tries to shut it down, but approaches it respectfully and thoughtfully.
I'm missing context, but I assume this didn't come entirely out of the blue, with Tilda's agent checking the yellow pages for an "Asian issues ambassador".
And yeah, even if the dragon lady reasoning is a bit fallacious, Swinton was the highlight of the movie.
Tilda was perfect in the role.
I think that's a way of avoiding talking about the Tibetan elephant in the room.
Doing what now 🤔Read the emails and was not particularly surprised to find that Cho was exaggerating pretty much all her claims.
Can't say I've ever been all that impressed by Cho, except for when she was heroically eating loads at Ground Zero. All-American Girl indeed.
Should probably change her act then which discusses those issues cleverly and deeply.
I imagine swinton watched enjoyed and was provoked by it so Cho's reaction seems a bit one sided. But then again I'm looking at an email thread with no tone of voice.
Cho basically pretended to be nice and private in that thread.
I dunno if I'm weird or whatever, but I feel like sharing private conversations without at least asking the other party if they are OK with doing so first is a bit scummy (unless it's some egregious shit or illegal or something like that).
So she can't talk about Asian issues and what it means for her to be an Asian woman within the context of her art without then accepting that that means she know has to be the Asian woman people come to for the "Asian Opinion"
That's a ridiculous burden to put on her.
I am openly trans and my art frequently reflects that but I am not comfortable being the person people automatically seek out for the Trans opinion. Fuck there are like 4 or 5 people that only know me as the person they can talk to about trans issues (and this includes other trans people) like the entire sum of my relationship with them is that "trans person they can talk to", nothing more. I do it because I don't want to be an asshole but it's stressful sometimes and somewhat dehumanizing on a certain level. So to say that being open about your issues as a minority means you have to now be responsible for providing everyone who asks the "Minority point of view" is brutally unfair.
"I appreciate your wanting to get opinions from people on this matter, but I don't think I'm the right person to ask about it."
There you go. She never had to have an email conversation in the first place if she didn't want to.
There was a whitewashing criticism in casting a white actor in a historically white role?The real problem casting was Cabbagepatch
Hellll no, Cho is a fucking snake who tried to throw Swinton under the bus thinking her reps wouldn't release the emails. They rightly called her bluff.
Baffles me that Cho would think it's a good move to trash a legendary actress who reached out to her. Instead of building a friendship she's now thrown it away.
There is a way to deal with this situation without being a two-faced creep:
"Asian actors should play Asian roles. I believe my emails stand on their own and should be taken for the spirit in which they were intended. I am grateful that the debate has now entered the national discussion and remain a huge fan of Tilda's. Now I'm going to go fall asleep at a museum."
I don't see how that necessarily follows. From the way that first email is written, it seems like Tilda wrote to her because she heard that criticism was coming from Cho (among others). She didn't just pick someone who she thought was the Chief Asian Representative, she picked a person who had vocally made critiques of the casting to talk with that specific person.it's understandable for Margaret Cho to feel like Tilda is making her be the ambassador of the asian delegation. It makes it seem like Tilda doesn't have any asian friends she could talk about this with.
However, to go public with what was obviously a private (and from how Cho responded, seemingly cordial) email exchange entirely after the fact is an extremely shitty thing to do. Margaret Cho is a total asshole for this.
A lot of American media is "historically white." Iconic comic book characters are all "historically white."There was a whitewashing criticism in casting a white actor in a historically white role?
So the argument is that they avoided casting an Asian actor or actress cuz writers can only write stereotypical Asian characters?... Lol
A lot of American media is "historically white." Iconic comic book characters are all "historically white."
I think that casting Benedict Cumberbatch fulfills the Mighty Whitey trope, and it is pretty damning and hypocritical of Marvel to somewhat acknowledge the Dragon Lady trope but go full speed ahead with a caricature that is just as--if not more-- offensive.
Wow Cho you two faced cunt. Wtf was that..
Why the fuck do people pull shit like this?
Exactly.poor maggy.
got houe asian'd by tilda and now she's about to get assaulted by the white media and marvel fans for not wanting to just be the model minority and fall in line and support women.
and that's why the phrase 'feminism is for white women' is popular.
Dude. The fuckWow Cho you two faced cunt.
Pretty shitty of Cho to talk about this publicly and make Tilda seem kinda bad when the emails were nothing but respectful on both sides.
The Faceless Master said:poor maggy.
got houe asian'd by tilda and now she's about to get assaulted by the white media and marvel fans for not wanting to just be the model minority and fall in line and support women.
and that's why the phrase 'feminism is for white women' is popular
Exactly.
People out here trying to act like Swinton was already well acquainted with Cho prior to sending the email. There is even someone in this very thread insinuating that randomly asking Asian American personalities about their opinion and treating them as a monolith for criticisms that you can very well Google yourself is a kosher thing to do. Speechless.
Why would you run something throw a search engine when you can ask the person who made a piece of commentary directly? Why is that a bad thing to try to engage people and their ideas directly?Exactly.
People out here trying to act like Swinton was already well acquainted with Cho prior to sending the email. There is even someone in this very thread insinuating that randomly asking Asian American personalities about their opinion and treating them as a monolith for criticisms that you can very well Google yourself is a kosher thing to do. Speechless.
Joke reply? Cho should've kept their conversation private. There is nothing in those e-mails that was worth shitting on Swenton for.
Cho has a point about Asian actors needing to be casted in more roles (something Steven Yeun has even stated while being a star of the Walking Dead). Cho is right about there being outrage about Ghost in the Shell and ScarJo being casted as Major.
Cho doesn't have the right to then shit on Swenton who is like "well Marvel tried to make the movie diverse, and for the most part as an old woman, I checked that box" for not falling in line with "yeah, Marvel fucked up. I shouldn't have been given the role, sorry."
Doing what now 🤔
Doing what now 🤔
Why would you run something throw a search engine when you can ask the person who made a piece of commentary directly? Why is that a bad thing to try to engage people and their ideas directly?
hey mags i dont know how this social media thingy works so you can represent all the orientals for me. why are so many of you people upset that yet another oriental role has been whitewashed? at least it's a woman this time! girl power!!!
poor maggy.
got houe asian'd by tilda and now she's about to get assaulted by the white media and marvel fans for not wanting to just be the model minority and fall in line and support women.
and that's why the phrase 'feminism is for white women' is popular.