DontBeThatGuy
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Walmart store gives man posing as Armored Car Driver all their money.
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Do you mean physically? Because I suspect multiple people will be hurt by this in other ways, some significantly (i.e. some person might be fired) and indirectly (lost revenue for a company hurts someone in the company, and more likely many people). The theft of 75,000 is not a victimless crime.
Storm Raider
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Crying oh my god
We had the whole "It isn't stealing because they gave it to him" argument just a couple months ago. It's too stupid to have again.
Darth Karja
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Armored trucks that pick up money at my work have to scan a card we keep to verify who they are, and I make sure I can see the truck before I let go of any money. Probably not how they do it at other companies. And we use Dunbar.
sixteen-bit
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Social engineering at work
One dead criminal. Where's the problem?
I can't believe id wasn't even verified.
Nail on the head.
People who work at Wal-Mart hate their jobs and the company so much that nobody gives a fuck.
I've got a 3 year old newer Wal Mart close to my house and its always on the news that someone walks right out the front door with a flat screen TV. Like every week...someone just walks in, loads a 60" up on a flatbed cart, and then walks right out the front door. People couldn't believe or understand how that's even possible, but take a look at the employees sometime when you're in there. Its the very definition of 'No fucks given here'.
Yeah. To be honest, I really cant get angry when someone steals from a soulless and/or harmful corporation. 75k is baby's first allowance money to Walmart.
It's Walmart's fault. They didn't train their employees well enough. Plus they probably lose more in a hour due to shipping errors and mislabeling a price.
A non-violent criminal deserves to get shot?
Shmeagatory94
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Dude needs to be caught but damn, cant lie Im impressed lol
Are you suggesting that we fire the people who trained the incompetent employees in lieu of firing the employees themselves, or in addition to firing the employees?
I knew it wouldn't take long. For the sake of argument I'll say "no".
you're fucked up
I was being fasetious from the get go, but ok.
I used to work in car sales and one day Ford sent a transporter full of brand new motors to an old compound of ours that wasn't being used anymore by mistake.
Somehow someone was there at the time the transporter guy turned up who got handed a load of free unregistered motors along with the keys.
Cute twat signed as "Ronald Macdonald."
Somehow someone was there at the time the transporter guy turned up who got handed a load of free unregistered motors along with the keys.
Cute twat signed as "Ronald Macdonald."
I'm asking if you mean no one was hurt physically, and I'll ask that question again -- because people are/will be hurt in other ways. This is not a victimless crime.
Ziltoidia 9
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Owners, CEOs, board members, share holders are the ones that suck at walmart.
Unfortunately, the people that will get punished for this are the people at the store trying to just make it by.
Unfortunately, the people that will get punished for this are the people at the store trying to just make it by.
How do you know they didn't train their employees well enough? Do you believe employee negligence is not possible?
When I worked at Walmart many years ago, they actually put strict rules in place and thoroughly discouraged employees from doing anything about theft to the point that nobody bothered. There was no way anyone could effectively handle any theft going on with the restrictions they placed on us. I assume most of the rules were to avoid lawsuits that might occur during confrontations.
entremet
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It's also why many retailers hire separate loss prevention employees.
Sure it's possible, but I'm putting my bet on inferior training if you hand $75k to a guy in a weight vest with no ID. Companies love scrapping training hours and assessments to make their employees profitable as soon as possible.
I remember them having one loss prevention employee for the entire store and then they got rid of him after a month and we never had another one again.
Battersea Power Station
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How far do you take this logic? If a loss prevention employee fails to catch a $100 shoplifter, does that hurt people at the company as well? If you say yes, you're more than likely approaching it from a principled point of view. If not, at what dollar amount do you draw the line?
And I'm not being argumentative. I'm just exploring the topic because I find it interesting.
Can you fault people for not giving a shit about a minimum wage job they hate and that hates them?
I cant i wouldn't even do the bare minimum honestly.
Definitely, but the question is how significantly, of course. Losing 100 is less bad than losing 10,000 is less bad than losing 1 billion dollars. That doesn't make losing 100 good, though. just less bad.
I think there is a real case to be made that (for instance) your choice to eat a cupcake hurts me. In some tiny, extremely difficult to quantify way, your choice to eat poorly increases your likelihood of health complications which I may end up having to pay for either through socialized medicine or insurance premiums.
That doesn't mean we should condemn those who eat cupcakes; it's about as minor an offense as one can get. But I think saying "it doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things" is different than saying "it's a good thing" or "hurray!"
styl3s
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I'm saying he/she was trained what to do when money is collected, what is he/she did exactly what he/she was trained to do? How is that his/her fault if he/she did EXACTLY what he/she was trained to do?
I'm saying this isn't 1 persons fault. If the person was trained to just hand over money without any real verification then fucking fire the incompetent person who told him NOT to check for ID if you are going to fire that employee.
Yes, duh, I meant physically.
Battersea Power Station
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Sorry, I edited late. But I disagree. A person taking a $100 item from Walmart will literally hurt no one, in the same way that one person's vote will have no effect on a national election.
The sum of many of those actions does, of course. However, we're judging a single person's actions.
If they're going to accept the job then they need to do what is expected of them. And if you wouldn't do the bare minimum they you probably wouldn't have that job for long.
Try not to behave in such a childish manner, please.
Okay, then do you not mind hedge fund managers who are able to steal millions or billions of dollars? In many cases, the funds aren't even stolen -- they're simply not used in a fashion that suggests proper risk arbitrage. Their crimes are victimless by the same reasoning, and potentially even "more victimless" because they aren't actually consciously stealing in most cases (sans Madoff and crew, etc.)
TimeEffect
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Lol. Can you imagine what he was thinking?
I think you're thinking consequentially and not probablistically. That is, a single vote does increase the probability of a candidate winning, even if it doesn't cause it by itself, which is why voting is important.
I strongly encourage probabilistic thinking generally, and particularly in criminal discussions. Wreckless endangerment is the most obvious example here: in cases where this is prosecuted, people have often hurt no one, but significantly increased the probability that someone will be hurt. If one thinks from a probabalistic point of view, you can see how even small increases in chances to negative outcomes can occur with even minor infractions.
Regulus Tera
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Surprised at the amount of people celebrating the guy and hoping he gets away. Walmart is a shitty company, but theft is theft.
fixedpoint
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While I don't condone theft, I'm tempted to make an exception this time. I'll not shed a tear for Walmart or the Walton family. Walmart effectively steals ~$6.2 billion US from taxpayers each year by not paying a living wage. This is to say nothing of the cost to us all of their overseas production, largely utilizing what essentially amounts to slave labor.
I'm primarily thankful that nobody was hurt - people have been murdered in Walmart stores for less.
gutter_trash
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Stealing that much money without restoring to violence from a company that treats their employees like cattle....
I hope he lives long life in the tropics having fun in the sun.
I hope he lives long life in the tropics having fun in the sun.
"This is never going to work this is never going to work this is never going to work." "HOLY SHIT IT WORKED HOLY SHIT IT WORKED HOLY SHIT IT WORKED!!!!!!"
Battersea Power Station
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Sure, I'll go for that. Your first posts suggested that the action, whichever one we were talking about, definitely did harm someone, as in 100%. Saying it's less than 100% and that each person's action increases it sounds better.
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