Wonko_C
Member
Thanks everyone. Now I hope I can get my friends to play it.
Warframe devs add three new emotes. You won't believe the price.
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Thanks everyone. Now I hope I can get my friends to play it.
Haunted
Member
I'm sure the ground level developers who had nothing to do with the monetisation and marketing schemes made by the higher ups at Bungie and Activision are unhappy that their game is being shit on by players, outside observers and now even other devs.
But them's the breaks, I suppose. You make the game as a team, you get punished for shit decisions as a team.
Can't believe there are people who think Warframe's model is disgusting, lmao. Unless you have no patience whatsoever, there is no reason to ever spend money on Warframe, unless you want to support the devs. I probably have around 500 hours spent on the game, and not once did I feel like I had to spend money.
Destiny is a joke of a game that continues to siphon money out of people who are easily addicted to its MMO-like grinding structure. Worthless expansions that tarnish the name, partly filled with cut content re-purposed to sell back to you, Bungie deserves all the flak they get, they earned it.
Destiny is a joke of a game that continues to siphon money out of people who are easily addicted to its MMO-like grinding structure. Worthless expansions that tarnish the name, partly filled with cut content re-purposed to sell back to you, Bungie deserves all the flak they get, they earned it.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Hopefully they are pissed.
They should be pissed.
They should be angry that all their hard work is getting shat on by players, the gaming community and worst of all, other developers.
Ultimately if it makes them pissed and they start kicking off with the dudes upstairs then there is more pressure to change.
We can only be vocal and complain, the developers can instigate change as at the end of the day, they make the game.
Haha holy shit. Perfection.
NullPointer
Member
In Destiny you have to wait for weekly resets on things like the Nightfall, the raids, PoE, etc. Its a normal thing and gives the game its daily and weekly rhythms that players and the community have adapted to, and provide something to look forward to, like Xur's visits, or the return of Iron Banner etc.
Warframe's crafting times are no different. You collect the parts, put em in the forge and know you'll have something new for you to play with the next day (most things), or a few days later (in the case of Warframes). Its a rhythm thing, and is never something you're forced to sit and wait for because there's nothing else to do. There's always a ton of missions available, with most being player-driven in terms of what to do next.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
:O wow, that is what it should be.
JetBlackPanda
Member
Warfarme has micro transactions.
what is the point of this?
what is the point of this?
It seems Bungie is both into Sadism and Masochism.
Storm Raider
Banned
That's cheap as hell. Hopefully more people jump on this deal.
It's been about 2 years for me.
Its NeoGAF. You will find defenders for absolute anything!
Isnt warframe a F2P with microtransactions?
Again, no one at DE called anyone out, it was the writer at Kotaku that did.
Well yeah, of course you won't. Warframe's free.
I know all this, I played Destiny myself and did everything pre-expansion, I probably wouldn't be as harsh otherwise. I know exactly how it works and why it's so addicting to keep playing. Sure, Warframe has its own similar grind, but the difference is Warframe has a plethora of content Destiny wouldn't be able to match in 10 years. Also, it's completely free.
Warframe always gave me something to do when I still played it, but there were times in Destiny where I had no reason to do anything for days until it reset. It uses typical MMO reputation and currency grinds, but it doesn't take long to max those. The gameplay itself is good, and I've convinced myself that's it the only reason people still play it.
Anton Sugar
Member
Isnt warframe a F2P with microtransactions?
Multiple people in here have already addressed how well Warframe handles its transaction model.
Plus, as a baseline...it's free. Not quite a pot kettle black situation.
HoodWinked
Member
the one trick to get people clicking your shitty gaming forum thread.
BlackLagoon
Member
What? Admittedly I don't know how things were before the PS4 launch, the Gift From the Lotus alerts are 24 hours. Not to mention you can get Catalysts and Reactors from the always available quest missions, the occasional 1-2 hour alert, multi-day tactical alerts, and week-long events. I've got far more than I need at this point, and I only bought one back when I was new.
I've only played the Destiny beta, but I found the gameplay utterly boring. Shoot, hide, shoot, hide... etc. And the classes added little variety - they all played largely the same. In comparison, Warframe combat is more about speed, movement and crowd control. Standing still is death - especially on higher levels, where the enemies will tear even the toughest frame in seconds in a straight firefight. It makes the action much more dynamic and interesting in my mind.
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Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
Oh right I had this installed still and was planning to play some more. What I tried seemed like quite some fun, even thought about buying a skin just because after a few missions.
Also, I love everyone making fun of that Bungie thing.
Also, I love everyone making fun of that Bungie thing.
NullPointer
Member
I was agreeing with you, at least on the patience bit. Some people look at the Warframe crafting timers and get upset, but when you go in without the expectation of insta-crafting its just fine. You pop into the game for a bit every once in a while and there's new stuff waiting for you. Its been a positive in my experience, not a negative, but its a point that was probably harder to explain in a pre-Destiny world where the only comparisons would be to some mobile games.
Isnt warframe a F2P with microtransactions?
It is F2P...
That right there means that they are different.
Microtransactions happen in every genre now so that isn't special or unique about the business model.
Oh ok, I apologize then, I guess I misinterpreted what you said. I always found the crafting timers to be a hype builder if anything. It doesn't get in the way of anything, so you can just go work on making more weapons or farming some good mods.
I feel like Warframe gets a lot of F2P hate just from the stigma of it, when it's really one of the only F2P games that does it incredibly well.
bigbaldwolf86
Banned
I agree. I put a lot of time into Warframe and yes you have to grind for parts here and there but there is a lot of content in that game and you can play it all for free.
NullPointer
Member
No worries and no apologies needed. Its hard to tell from text sometimes ;p
Buttonbasher
Member
Kotaku is the main one editorializing a joke about it being free. The Warframe people just posted it in their usual update notes with no mention of Destiny, and without really drawing huge attention to it being free.
Update Notes said:
It's not like Techland who made it into a big joke. Perhap it's coincidental, but it's largely Kotaku doing the mocking; not Digital Extremes.
Anton Sugar
Member
Which, ironically, makes it even better. Giving away free stuff is just another week for them.
Buttonbasher
Member
Agreed.
Stealth_Cobra
Member
My two cents in the Destiny vs Warframe debate...
Destiny is basically paying 150 bucks for a story driven, 35 ish Hours game where you constantly repeat the exact same missions over and over again to grind better guns and hit max level... It has three different classes , which are basically identical in most regards (grenade, melee , hover jump and a super). The endgame consists essentially of grinding the same raids over and over again to get the drops you want, to repeat the same story mission and strikes every day/week as work-like chore, then repeating the same bounties over and over again so you can level up your new guns. Weapon variety is bad, as there are only a handful of weapon "families", and every weapon in a weapon family behave roughly the same. Clans serve no purpose, as the game does not offer anything cool to people in clans. After the 30ish honeymoon with this game is over, all that's left to accomplish is to grind your way to acquiring all exotics and maxed level gear, but only 6 or so weapons are really must own anyway, and you can only wear one exotic gun at a time anyway...
In contrast, Warframe is basically a Free 300 to 600 hours space ninja universe, in the sense where one player can experience eveything this game has to offer without paying a cent. Granted, most people that get into Warframe end up paying 60-100ish bucks average, mostly because character and weapon slots expansions cost platinum, and unless you feel like trading duplicate prime parts and mods for your platinum, it's much easyer to spend a little money once and avoid that tedium. Still, it's possible to do good in Warframe without spending a single buck... As pretty much everything can be gotten without spending money, or with a little trading, if need be.
In terms of gameplay, Warframe has a random level generator system that creates new experience every time you do a mission. This works imho much better than repeating the same story mission over and over again, like in Destiny. The scope of Warframe is also much bigger, with a whole solar system filled with missions to clear. The game always has things to do, including timed alerts, invasions, infestations, syndicate missions, events, solar rails takeover, synthesis scans and codex scans. The game offers alot of endgame content in the form of orokin void keys, orokin derelict keys, and recently, the inclusion of raids. You play Warframe because you want to try the new frames, the new weapons, and so on.
In terms of gameplay, the game offers a whopping 23 different frames, each with 4 unique abilities that change their playstyle tremendously. In terms of weapon, in comparaison to destiny, this game offer like two hundred different weapons , each with their unique traits and behaviour, including proper melee weapons (none of that "use a sword for 30 seconds before it dissapears crap"). Weapon variety is awesome, you can use pretty much anything you can think of, from bows to exploding trap throwing stars, from ice beam guns to strange guns that shoot squares, from Katanas to wolverine claws, the list goes on and on and on... Warframe goes above in beyond what is usually avialable in games like this. Then there's the modding system, which allows full customisation of your frame, your guns and your melee weapons. You get companions, kubrows, syndicate mods that change the way your skills operate. Remember how Destiny's ships are just loading screen skins ... In Warframe, you board your ship between every mission.. And you can fly in space using Archwings too ! Finally, there's the clan / alliance system... Allowing you to basically building a gigantic, fully customisable dojo for you and your clanmates, to develop unique clan weapons and frames, to build solar rails and to take over dark sectors located in the universe... So much content... And I feel that's just scratiching the surface... I'm not even talking about the parkour, the awesome mobility of the frames, the fact that melee is a viable tactic to complete missions, the fact you can have steath frames that can complete missions without being spotted, the list goes on and on and on...
Destiny is basically paying 150 bucks for a story driven, 35 ish Hours game where you constantly repeat the exact same missions over and over again to grind better guns and hit max level... It has three different classes , which are basically identical in most regards (grenade, melee , hover jump and a super). The endgame consists essentially of grinding the same raids over and over again to get the drops you want, to repeat the same story mission and strikes every day/week as work-like chore, then repeating the same bounties over and over again so you can level up your new guns. Weapon variety is bad, as there are only a handful of weapon "families", and every weapon in a weapon family behave roughly the same. Clans serve no purpose, as the game does not offer anything cool to people in clans. After the 30ish honeymoon with this game is over, all that's left to accomplish is to grind your way to acquiring all exotics and maxed level gear, but only 6 or so weapons are really must own anyway, and you can only wear one exotic gun at a time anyway...
In contrast, Warframe is basically a Free 300 to 600 hours space ninja universe, in the sense where one player can experience eveything this game has to offer without paying a cent. Granted, most people that get into Warframe end up paying 60-100ish bucks average, mostly because character and weapon slots expansions cost platinum, and unless you feel like trading duplicate prime parts and mods for your platinum, it's much easyer to spend a little money once and avoid that tedium. Still, it's possible to do good in Warframe without spending a single buck... As pretty much everything can be gotten without spending money, or with a little trading, if need be.
In terms of gameplay, Warframe has a random level generator system that creates new experience every time you do a mission. This works imho much better than repeating the same story mission over and over again, like in Destiny. The scope of Warframe is also much bigger, with a whole solar system filled with missions to clear. The game always has things to do, including timed alerts, invasions, infestations, syndicate missions, events, solar rails takeover, synthesis scans and codex scans. The game offers alot of endgame content in the form of orokin void keys, orokin derelict keys, and recently, the inclusion of raids. You play Warframe because you want to try the new frames, the new weapons, and so on.
In terms of gameplay, the game offers a whopping 23 different frames, each with 4 unique abilities that change their playstyle tremendously. In terms of weapon, in comparaison to destiny, this game offer like two hundred different weapons , each with their unique traits and behaviour, including proper melee weapons (none of that "use a sword for 30 seconds before it dissapears crap"). Weapon variety is awesome, you can use pretty much anything you can think of, from bows to exploding trap throwing stars, from ice beam guns to strange guns that shoot squares, from Katanas to wolverine claws, the list goes on and on and on... Warframe goes above in beyond what is usually avialable in games like this. Then there's the modding system, which allows full customisation of your frame, your guns and your melee weapons. You get companions, kubrows, syndicate mods that change the way your skills operate. Remember how Destiny's ships are just loading screen skins ... In Warframe, you board your ship between every mission.. And you can fly in space using Archwings too ! Finally, there's the clan / alliance system... Allowing you to basically building a gigantic, fully customisable dojo for you and your clanmates, to develop unique clan weapons and frames, to build solar rails and to take over dark sectors located in the universe... So much content... And I feel that's just scratiching the surface... I'm not even talking about the parkour, the awesome mobility of the frames, the fact that melee is a viable tactic to complete missions, the fact you can have steath frames that can complete missions without being spotted, the list goes on and on and on...
Stealth_Cobra
Member
Warframe IS fun to play ... Destiny WAS fun to play the first 50 or so hours Imho. Now, I can't even bring myself to log in and finish the 2nd expansion. Again, I realize opinions are subjective, and that mileage may vary.
joecanada
Member
actually warframe is better it just lacks that polish... supers are better, melee combat 10X better, guns are similar (dual pistols is awesome), missions pretty repetetive same as destiny, bosses are better, movesets (wall-run, slide, melee) better.
I've played both hundreds of hours, warframe is free and 10X bigger and also better but it suffers from some lag, ugliness, framedrops....
destiny is the polished turd to warframes turd with a golden center...
edit - it's also left out of most threads that psplus gets you 10 dollars free on warframe so that's -10 dollars , plus another 10-20 bucks gets you alot... i got the psplus 10 dollars then bought 10 dollars in platinum and I never felt the need to spend another cent... that got me some extra slots, a few potatoes, and thats more than enough to go as far as you like, after that you just hit the trade market.
Didn't even buy Destiny, but I liked few of what I've played of Warframe. Idk how to describe it but it has that F2P feel games like DC Universe has. Idk not for me.
SirMossyBloke
Member
Story driven...lol
For me, it was when I said "That's it?".
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I knew this thread would have, "but Destiny is fun to play" as a narrative to charge $20 (more in Europe) for 3 emotes and 3 shaders. Warframe has millions of players that find it fun as well.
When are they going to allow individual shading? NVM, its cross platform, memory constraints.
Original point stands. Nobody is disputing Destiny's fun factor, hell it is some of the best shooter gameplay if not the most refined ever on a console.
Being fun has nothing to do with voicing displeasure, a consumer right, with overpriced DLC practices.
Huh? Maybe because it was free. That is the only reason you may have those feels.
If you paid for it, it would feel just like any other, if not more fleshed out game, even without buying any micro/macros.
When are they going to allow individual shading? NVM, its cross platform, memory constraints.
Original point stands. Nobody is disputing Destiny's fun factor, hell it is some of the best shooter gameplay if not the most refined ever on a console.
Being fun has nothing to do with voicing displeasure, a consumer right, with overpriced DLC practices.
Huh? Maybe because it was free. That is the only reason you may have those feels.
If you paid for it, it would feel just like any other, if not more fleshed out game, even without buying any micro/macros.
Yup, Bungie knew what they were signing up for when they agreed to the terms of the contract. They aren't owned by Activision, so it's not like they are free from blame at all. They are just as guilty and deserve all the shit they are getting.
I wish more of the gaming population would stand up to them as well. If so many people weren't so eager to shell out money for shit DLC, we'd see less shit DLC. Fuck Bungie and I hope they read all of our posts.
I can cherry pick too!
Warframes missions are just as repeating nothing boring grinding that Destiny has. The part where I keep playing Destiny is that it still feels good to play in both PvP and PvE. Warframe shooting isn't responsive, the melee feels like shit, and the movement is just as weird and sloppy.
Mission wise, Warframe feels like it has even less variety to me than Destiny. This isn't the case, truly, but the different objectives hardly change the feel of the missions most of the time coupled with the random generation feeling more like a hassle than anything interesting to engage with because all you want to do is run missions fast and over and over. It doesn't help the monotony much because the randomized sections still repeat and still play out mostly the same.
Enemies don't feel different either. I'd say they're even worse bullet sponges because they aren't active and fun to fight.
I'd rather deal with Destiny's grind than Warframe's.
Jest Chillin
Member
Destiny hasn't gotten worse at all, instead it's gotten better. They've added actual quest lines with more story and less cheesey lines. The mission variety has improved. The gear aesthetic has improved. They've added more PvP modes that rotate in and out. They've added alternate progression in Etheric Light that can upgrade old gear to "max" level range and several ways to get Etheric Light that aren't RNG based.
What people are primarily complaining about here is pricing. But Destiny is B2P with paid Dlc while Warframe was a Founder Pack Beta period into a F2P launch with microtransanctions. Different positives and negatives to each.
Did you forget the extensive beta/alpha?
or because it feels really floaty, the combat lacks weight and it's generally doesn't play like a $60 title would. last time I played the parkour felt off, the animations looked cheap, etc. to each their own, though.
also if your post was directed to me, I could care less about the Bungie's DLC practices. I avoided the game because I knew it was light on content in the first place. I enjoyed the time I put into the beta/alpha because it felt like a solid FPS.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
I was only poking fun. It actually made me lol when i read it <3
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am just going to take this out of context. But considering what was gutted and vanilla on day one, there is no way it could have not have gotten better. But you are correct, it did.
What we see now I firmly believe was the vanilla game was supposed to be content wise. I would even go as far to say TTK this September, with how the marketing is making it seem like a fresh launch for Destiny, was also supposed to be the launch game they hyped it to be.
I mean another retail Collector's Edition (with physical items) for a game a year old? Seems like they are trying to make it seem new to people, to almost rewrite the original launch (for the content complaints).
I need to definitely jump back in soon though. Have both Episodes, but have yet to try the positive changes I keep reading about.
(I did not stop playing cause of complaints for the game, I think it plays marvelous, I just could not invest the time needed to keep up with friends at that point in time that I stopped.)
NullPointer
Member
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Warframe's shit is outrageously expensive, it's a bit cheeky of them to take a potshot like this.
Glitchesarecool
Member
They didn't. Kotaku editorialized a regular content update to Warframe.
Orochinagis
Member
You can get the paid game in game, the paid weapons are for people who dont want to grind the materials.
Well said.
I like both games quite a bit, but I'll be god damned if I'm gonna pump $100 a year into Destiny for 10 years when I have an option as good as Warframe for free.