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Warhammer 40,000 |OT| In the Grim Darkness of the Community Forum There Is Only War
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LaserBuddha
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Don't listen to this man.
When they're not being written by your Spiritual Liege.
Know No Fear (from HH) was pretty good.
That's Girlyman splitting fools in space... without a helmet.
evanswolves
Member
This wonderful thing turned up today
It is bloody gorgeous
It is bloody gorgeous
NIGHT LORDS OMNIBUS
I only listened to Swallow's audio drama but it was pretty solid, one of my favorites actually.
That looks completely awesome! I hope mine arrives this week. They should have thrown in a free ebook version though, I'm always afraid to damage such a book just by reading it :/
They have also already announced the next First Edition: Rebirth by Nick Kyme, a new Salamanders series. Meh...
Deified Data
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evanswolves
Member
I'll be getting that 1 aswell, wasnt to sure whether to get it or not, but The Talon of Horus is just gorgeous, plus if you think about it, you get the HH Limited edition Novellas for £30, and those are 3000/4000 copies, for £40 you get a much more limited book, and a book thats 2 or 3 times as long for an extra £10
Deified Data
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Just got to Hyperion Peaks (the Forward Base place) as Chaos in Dark Crusade.
THIS IS THE WAY TO HELL
So this map can become unwinnable if the holder reinforces it enough, right? Chaos' single-unit honor guards are pretty useless for beefing up your initial attack force. And only one Daemon Prince? No advice I've read online has been useful. Mostly just "start over as Necrons".
Edit: Beat it on my 5th or 6th try...speaking of Necron, God are they overpowered in Dark Crusade. Kinda making me want to check out of the campaign mode if I'm going to be forced to fight their cheap asses.
THIS IS THE WAY TO HELL
So this map can become unwinnable if the holder reinforces it enough, right? Chaos' single-unit honor guards are pretty useless for beefing up your initial attack force. And only one Daemon Prince? No advice I've read online has been useful. Mostly just "start over as Necrons".
Edit: Beat it on my 5th or 6th try...speaking of Necron, God are they overpowered in Dark Crusade. Kinda making me want to check out of the campaign mode if I'm going to be forced to fight their cheap asses.
Quoted for truth.
Hello everyone. Was looking for a Horus Heresy/W40k thread and only realized I should have refined the search to OT. How stupid of me~
Currently reading 'Vengeful Spirit'. Hope to discuss some GrimDark with you all.
In the mean time, I guess I have a whole thread to catch up on.
Deified Data
Banned
Currently reading NIGHT LORDS, as you guys helpfully recommended.
So I found the Word Bearers Omnibus for $35 on ebay, "very good" condition. Pretty good deal? Most used copies I've seen on Amazon are going for $60.
So I found the Word Bearers Omnibus for $35 on ebay, "very good" condition. Pretty good deal? Most used copies I've seen on Amazon are going for $60.
Good on ya, mate. Would love to hear your impressions. 10th company gets shit done, as they say,
After receiving The Talon of Horus last week I caved in and ordered Rebirth as well. You're right, compared to their usual prices for LE novellas, this is actually a good price for a full book.
Nevetheless, I hope they don't continue pumping out new First Editions every two weeks.
I really hope they go for a new scenario but i have a feeling it is just going to be the same old Blood Angels vs genestealers campaign.
SillyEskimo
Member
Same miniatures. A couple new tiles and 3 new missions. So yeah, BA vs genestealers again!
Data slates for other factions, Ultra Marines, Dark Angels, and most importantly Space Wolves.
So easy for people to be negative without finding out facts.
SillyEskimo
Member
What I stated was fact.
You want to hear negative? Sure, I can do that! Pretty much everything about this release is sickening.
-The 3rd edition price was $100. This "new" edition is $125. That's a $25 increase in 5 years time. All it adds is 4 new tiles total (2 of which are a reskin for starting areas to look like boarding torpedoes), and 4 new missions. That's it.
Let's talk about those Data Slates that you seem to think is a bonus.
It goes without saying that they are putting out data slates for 3 factions for no other reason than to get people to buy Terminator models, and lots of them. The kicker is that they're $16 each x 3. GW fuckery again ensures rules for new weapons are split up among each faction's data slate. Not to mention they are digital only and limited to IOS only. It's a double helping of fuck yous! Chances of these campaigns including the two exclusive tiles to 4th edition? 100%! How about missions containing at least 2 groups of 5 terminators to get people to buy more than a single $50 squad? 100%! What do these data slates even include? How many missions are in each campaign? Why are you excited over something so expensive that you know next to nothing about that GW used to give away in issues of White Dwarf in the past back when it was a hobby supplement and not a Sears catalog?
What they should've done is release this 4th Edition with the following:
Everything from 3rd + all the "Data Slates" for each faction in a single separate printed book within the 4th edition box. That would justify a $25 price hike. As long as they're printing new tiles, throw in more than 2 new shapes and 2 reskins (ie: a single board to punch). Give at least 2 new boards with new room shapes.
Oh yeah, make sure you pick up the Sin of Damnation novella in hardback, which is nothing more than a reprint of the 125 book from 2009 + a short story! The original book was $5 for christs sake.
I go way back with Space Hulk. I bought the original 25 years ago on release day. I bought both expansions and the campaign book (which is just a collection of White Dwarf articles which I also own within the original magazines). I'm willing to bet my left nut that the Data Slates will be inferior to the campaigns given away in those old White Dwarf magazines, which is pathetic. I hope I'm wrong, but goddamn this company drains hope from me like a leech.
I have 2 copies of 3rd edition, 1 of which is still sealed. I adore the game. I think everyone should own it, paint it, and play it. However, the 4th edition is a symptom of the sickness that is Games Workshop. It's lazy, exploitative, and designed to milk every cent from it's fan base. It's everything I hate most about the company personified.
Yes, I preorderd my copy
Listening to Descent of Angels atm.
Like I understand that there needs to be new material in the Horus Heresy series outside the legends we've read in codex after codex over the years but making the Watchers in the Dark
is fucking bullshit. Totally shits on the "are they Chaos or are they not?" mystique of the Dark Angels.
Like I understand that there needs to be new material in the Horus Heresy series outside the legends we've read in codex after codex over the years but making the Watchers in the Dark
agents of the Cabal
LaserBuddha
Member
This is just helping you see how lame Dark Angels are. What's badass about a bunch marines that don't even know they're being made to commit heresy (and they ARE committing heresy, all the time)?
They've got stupid cliq-y bullshit in their chapters that determines how many secrets you know. It ends up that the people who know the most about what they're doing are the ones least likely to risk their lives for it. Advancement in the ranks of the chapter isn't based on talent or achievement, but how much of a disobedient and curious prick you are.
They are a Chapter of puppets controlled by heretics and should be destroyed. Oh and their combination of gothic and Native American aesthetics is lame, doesn't make sense in the timeline of Terra, and was an accident anyway resulting from two different designers not communicating. Oh and their unique vehicle are lame too.
Overall they are outright ignoring their mandate to defend humanity to spend thousands of years trying to cover up something they did.
Alpha Legion are the cool bros that, at least in older fluff, were truly mysterious as to their allegiance. They also know how to keep secrets in a way that makes the Dark Angels look like George Washington and the cherry tree, and all of their chapter is in on it.
SillyEskimo
Member
Good post. Would read again.
Fuck the Dark Angels. Blood Angels 4 life!
Fuck the Dark Angels. Blood Angels 4 life!
evanswolves
Member
Rebirth came,
Gorgeous
Gorgeous
So I'm getting back into the painting side of games workshop, no time for gaming but when I used to paint back at Uni (+10yrs ago) I enjoyed it and found it relaxing and rewarding.
Thinking of trying out the LOTR sets but am wondering on difficulty and is there a LOTR paint "Set" I can buy that will cover me for the models?
Thinking of trying out the LOTR sets but am wondering on difficulty and is there a LOTR paint "Set" I can buy that will cover me for the models?
I was a Space Wolves stan when I played and even I'm not this much of a hater, lol.
imo some of the stronger audio dramas involve the chapter. I get everything you're saying and I don't fundamentally disagree with a lot of it, but in the right creative hands they can be a chilling organization. Descent of Angels isn't such a work.
Also like the knights of Caliban wore ghetto power armor that is discussed as being similar to whatever mark of power armor the Dark Angels landed on the planet with (II maybe?) which implies there was a power armor pre-Age of Strife that all power armor is descended from? That seems like retcon to me but admittedly I'm not an expert on power armor.
That was fucking stupid. They have ghetto power armor and bolters, but had jack shit for tech otherwise and they didn't have the "developing new tech is heresy" going on then.
Deified Data
Banned
Is a white/red color scheme for Tau as commonplace as it sounds?
It's a death world too! Good luck passing down ancient technology when people don't live long lives on the reg, even the knightly orders.
Making
Cypher
Cypher
twin pistols
Fallen Angels has seemed much better so far, but I could obviously do without all the Descent of Angels recap.
Depends on which one is your main color. White with red cloth is on the cover of the old Cityfight book and was a scheme I fiddled around with for a while. Squad markings and gun color can go a long way in making your army standout more.
Deified Data
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White armor, red secondary (squad markings, Tau symbol, etc), dark gray cloth.
Reread the Night Lords series (via the omnibus) this weekend.
Still pretty much the GOAT 40K series, even with the cop out ending.umad Eisenhorn stans.)
Just a shame that you can't really introduce people to 40K with it (imo). You can't really appreciate the feelings and opinions of the characters (especially the nostalgia) without a firm grasp of what loyalist chapters and traitor legions / warbands are like in M41 and all the change that's come to pass in the supposedly stagnant time since the Horus Heresy.
You also can't appreciate what a breath of fresh air it is as a spehs mehrine book without having suffered through dozens of duty and honor blah blah page turners.
Still pretty much the GOAT 40K series, even with the cop out ending.
umad Eisenhorn stans.)Just a shame that you can't really introduce people to 40K with it (imo). You can't really appreciate the feelings and opinions of the characters (especially the nostalgia) without a firm grasp of what loyalist chapters and traitor legions / warbands are like in M41 and all the change that's come to pass in the supposedly stagnant time since the Horus Heresy.
You also can't appreciate what a breath of fresh air it is as a spehs mehrine book without having suffered through dozens of duty and honor blah blah page turners.
Deified Data
Banned
Reread the Night Lords series (via the omnibus) this weekend.
Still pretty much the GOAT 40K series, even with the cop out ending.
Just a shame that you can't really introduce people to 40K with it (imo). You can't really appreciate the feelings and opinions of the characters (especially the nostalgia) without a firm grasp of what loyalist chapters and traitor legions / warbands are like in M41 and all the change that's come to pass in the supposedly stagnant time since the Horus Heresy.
You also can't appreciate what a breath of fresh air it is as a spehs mehrine book without having suffered through dozens of duty and honor blah blah page turners.
Really enjoying as well. I'm a bit into the second book, and that scene where
Uzas threatens a wounded Talos and the latter just spends the whole conversations condescending to the former knowing he could very well be seconds from death
Wait, what? (Don't worry about spoiling me.)
I love Uzas' moments of clarity. There's one he has in Blood Reaver during the culmination of the book's events that's top shelf and his scene during the postscript to those events is poignant, though for different reasons than clarity.
I know antagonists need development but it sucks that The Exalted and Ruven suck up so much time that could have been spent developing the members of First Claw not named Talos more.
Or maybe that's the point, that in an existential 40K series the protagonists are psychologically moribund.
I'd forgotten how fucking badass Xarl gets in Void Stalker, BTW.
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Can't wait, will continue posting my impressions as I go.
So, you know how
Ingethel taunted Lorgar with the knowledge that the Emprah forged them with secrets stolen from the Warp. Turns out she was right. In the Vengeful Spirit Horus conquers a planet for the same secrets, to use the same warp rift as the Emprah used. There's a perpetual there trying to stop him (who's been watching the gateway ever since Emprah did his stint in the warp), but she gets splattered on the door just before succeeding in sealing the rift. Anyway, after Horus opens the way by bleeding on the stone gate, he disappears for a few moments (in real space) and then thumps back, aged millenia. Just how the way the perpetual had earlier thought of the Emprah emerging from there. Then Horus recovers, claiming that he has taken the power of the Pantheon, not by deceit and cunning (like some *cough*) , but by the srength of his arms. Apparently he waged war on behalf of all the gods for a few millenia to gain their favour.
And that's why the Emprahs super dickery left him drooling on the Golden Throne.
As an aside matter, I just realized that the "tutelaries" in the Thousand Sons were minor daemons. Good job Big E.
E: Just got home from school so time for some citations:
That was thought as well before reading that book.
But that perpetual changed things. The Big E did something there that left him drained. And he hid the location of that warp gate from the primarhcs, Horus mumbles about his memory being manipulated somehow and he regains it after he defeats an aftershock of the Es psychic might.
Is the
an
? I would apply the same caveat if that were the case--they are not a reliable source of information.
Could it have been related to the original purpose of the Golden Throne?
I really was putting off listening to Vengeful Spirit because I've just plowed through 2 HH audio books but you're making me reconsider.
perpetual
agent of the Cabal
Could it have been related to the original purpose of the Golden Throne?
I really was putting off listening to Vengeful Spirit because I've just plowed through 2 HH audio books but you're making me reconsider.
She knows at least one of the (perpetual) agents but her allegiance is unstated other than that she was waiting for the Emprah to get out of there and helped him when he was drained by the affair and stayed on that planet to guard the portal against people stumbling there accidentally or intentionally. She also claims to have learned how to seal it from the Emprah, though since the Emprahs psychic powers were on the fritz after he got out of there, I guess it would be plausible that she learned them without his intention. The 2nd quote block of my previos post has the relevant lines from a quick scanning of the novel.
SillyEskimo
Member
Just a follow-up to this post.
The Data Slates contain 3 missions each, so 9 missions for $48. Every mission includes 2 squads. The new tiles are used in 4/6 of the missions I have seen so far.
Honestly, I hate being right in cases like this. It's worse than I expected.
Deified Data
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Any good Tau books from BL?
Despite some heavy handed literary references, Peter Fehervari's Fire Caste.
Deified Data
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Have you heard if Shadowsun's any good?
idk how you can say that after the ork campaign in Retribution. Shit was so funny it hurt.
On a related note there's an ork audio drama... I'm morbidly curious if one can sustain talkin' like da boyz for close to an hour and have it remain entertaining.