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Warhammer Online, The Official Thread of Destruction vs Order
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They really do. I'd level purely off open world RvR if possible.Cheeto said:
And I know I'll be sticking around at least until I get a single 40 and do some of the end game stuff. WoW has lost its touch to me at least for now, as I don't want to play my mage because they kinda suck, and I'd rather not spend time leveling another alt when multiboxers can do it in a few hours compared to my few days
whiterabbit
Member
I was formerly advocating linkage of scenarios between servers, but that might not be the right answer, and as somebody said, an MMO without people in the world is not an MMO.
If they did link the scenarios the open RvR would be even more empty. It would be ideal if there was always RvR that you could just hop in and out as you please, ya know, but as it stands it's rare enough, and then it all seems to depend on who has the zerg.
Scenarios are primarily what initially latched me into the game during beta, though, and I'd like to at least PLAY all of the T4 scenarios, since for some reason Serpent's Pass is the only one that queues, and like three instances of it too. So why the hell are 30 people playing Serpent's Pass and ignoring the other scenarios? Beats me. I enjoyed the few grounds of Grovod Caverns I played a lot.
I suppose the answer could possibly be to merge the servers if the servers can handle it, All fo the RvR lakes could be active, and all the scenarios could be played. Problem solved wot seems game-breaking and leaves me logging off after a scenario or two and my rested experience bonus is gone.
If they did link the scenarios the open RvR would be even more empty. It would be ideal if there was always RvR that you could just hop in and out as you please, ya know, but as it stands it's rare enough, and then it all seems to depend on who has the zerg.
Scenarios are primarily what initially latched me into the game during beta, though, and I'd like to at least PLAY all of the T4 scenarios, since for some reason Serpent's Pass is the only one that queues, and like three instances of it too. So why the hell are 30 people playing Serpent's Pass and ignoring the other scenarios? Beats me. I enjoyed the few grounds of Grovod Caverns I played a lot.
I suppose the answer could possibly be to merge the servers if the servers can handle it, All fo the RvR lakes could be active, and all the scenarios could be played. Problem solved wot seems game-breaking and leaves me logging off after a scenario or two and my rested experience bonus is gone.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Ferrio said:
just put a timer on each scenario, play tor and you can't play it again for 30 minutes.
If the game grows into what it was in beta scenarios will be rarely done and world rvr will be what is done, not just keep sieges vs no one. Roaming 6mans etc. I cant wait till praag kicks in.
BTW for those on Phoenix Throne, tonight at 9est there is a PVP event in Praag. Show up and get to killing. Im hoping to rack up a level tonight.
BTW for those on Phoenix Throne, tonight at 9est there is a PVP event in Praag. Show up and get to killing. Im hoping to rack up a level tonight.
mr stroke
Member
whiterabbit said:
this is my point, IMO scenarios are what really set this game apart from other MMO's, and right now they are broken(at least in my case)
you get every one playing the same scenario over and over, weather its "Serpents Pass" in Tier 4 or "Nordenwatch" in Tier 1. Either a merger of scenarios needs to happen or maybe just limiting one scenario to happen every 15 minutes like others have said? Something needs to change if they want to keep subs though.
Well...I formed a warband to take some BFO's and it went well. Then someone suggested that we take the keep. I of course object to it because once destro sees something that isnt red in their zone it gets PRX'ed.
(PRX is a zerg guild on the Averhim servers)
Anyway, I go along for the ride fully knowing wed be rushed. 10 min later they are all over us. After a horrible death we decide to go to another zone, and hope we can get in the keep before anyone notices. No suck luck. All it takes is one PRX member to see us and tell everyone where we are.
Order too has a zerg guild but they are still in tier 2-3. It will be intresting to see what happens when most of order reaches tier 4
(PRX is a zerg guild on the Averhim servers)
Anyway, I go along for the ride fully knowing wed be rushed. 10 min later they are all over us. After a horrible death we decide to go to another zone, and hope we can get in the keep before anyone notices. No suck luck. All it takes is one PRX member to see us and tell everyone where we are.
Order too has a zerg guild but they are still in tier 2-3. It will be intresting to see what happens when most of order reaches tier 4
Guys, I have left the guild. But now I want to rejoin and take it back!
I was looking for a guild that would accept the GAF guild members so we could all remain friends. After finding more out about all the guilds this is impossible. All the active guilds require people to apply and noone is garaunteed a spot.
So I propose the SEAMUS gives me guild leadership, or us gaffers start a new guild and recruit active players. That way we can all hang together still, and also participate in an active guild.
Let me know if you guys are interested. Seamus, please send me a PM and let me know if you can pass leadership.
Thanks,
Vent
I was looking for a guild that would accept the GAF guild members so we could all remain friends. After finding more out about all the guilds this is impossible. All the active guilds require people to apply and noone is garaunteed a spot.
So I propose the SEAMUS gives me guild leadership, or us gaffers start a new guild and recruit active players. That way we can all hang together still, and also participate in an active guild.
Let me know if you guys are interested. Seamus, please send me a PM and let me know if you can pass leadership.
Thanks,
Vent
I'm still interested in sticking with the other GAFers who still play, so if we can't get outselves all in the same guild I'd like to keep the current one with an active leader so we can bring in new people and do other things to keep the guild alive. I'm up for starting a new one too, if that's what people want, but it would be nice to keep our current guild level without having to start over at Lv1 again. Plus I think our guild name is badass.
Hopefully recruting new members will get us people who are gonna stick around longer now that the free month is up for most people.
Hopefully recruting new members will get us people who are gonna stick around longer now that the free month is up for most people.
So what are the most popular servers? I'm getting this game for christmas, done with WoW giving account to my brother, how does this run on common laptop's? I heard that in the next patch they're making some changes so that it runs better on lower end machines? I'm highly looking forward to jumping into a new MMO and am looking at playing a Warrior Priest as my main, love the idea of the holy warrior/paladin, and mesing around with an engineering and the tank classes.
Everyone in Guild of the Forever. We are merging with Bash and Brew. Please register for the forums at www.bashandbrew.com. Make an introductory post about yourself, we are all allowed to join.
This is going to be a great thing for thsoe that want more action in the game. This guild is large and active, they are also part of the largest Alliance on the server. Excelsius is their guild leader, he is a great guy.
Please /w vent for more info, and for an invite. Or PM me on the forums.
See you guys soon,
-Vent
This is going to be a great thing for thsoe that want more action in the game. This guild is large and active, they are also part of the largest Alliance on the server. Excelsius is their guild leader, he is a great guy.
Please /w vent for more info, and for an invite. Or PM me on the forums.
See you guys soon,
-Vent
Teknopathetic
Member
That's a great move. Bash & Brew are great folks, and if things happen how I'd like them to, I may even end up in the same alliance.
Suburban Cowboy
Member
Anyone able to recommend a pacific, open rvr server where Order is good? Looking to transfer my 16 warrior priest
Mareg said:
Hey Gaf, I'm rarely quoting myself. However, I didn't want to left things this way after finding the solution to all those naggin problems.
The solution is called Skull Throne.
This server is crazy. Specially if you wanted to roll Destuction but didn't because scenarios were taking too long to pop.
Here, there is activity in all Tier. The population is pretty much the same on both factions and is staying at med/high at any hour of the day. In every zone of every Tier, you can be sure to see 5+ groups doing PQs. Keeps are being defended and taken everywhere. Its crazy. You just have to make a choice at how to spend your time and you can be sure it will be of quality. I have found the WAR MMO, and it is only possible on Skull Throne. Thanks Skull Throne. I have no idea what chain of events provided this server with the key elements to make the experience fun, but I'm greatfull it happened. It saved the game for me.
If you want to experience the MMO, reroll on Skull Throne and don't worry. In Tier 1, there is people running everywhere. You won't ever feel alone anymore
whiterabbit
Member
"guild of the forever"... yeah, right.
you can probably join B&B Cheeto.
now i want to make an alt on Skull Throne.
you can probably join B&B Cheeto.
now i want to make an alt on Skull Throne.
Mareg said:Hey Gaf, I'm rarely quoting myself. However, I didn't want to left things this way after finding the solution to all those naggin problems.
The solution is called Skull Throne.
This server is crazy. Specially if you wanted to roll Destuction but didn't because scenarios were taking too long to pop.
Here, there is activity in all Tier. The population is pretty much the same on both factions and is staying at med/high at any hour of the day. In every zone of every Tier, you can be sure to see 5+ groups doing PQs. Keeps are being defended and taken everywhere. Its crazy. You just have to make a choice at how to spend your time and you can be sure it will be of quality. I have found the WAR MMO, and it is only possible on Skull Throne. Thanks Skull Throne. I have no idea what chain of events provided this server with the key elements to make the experience fun, but I'm greatfull it happened. It saved the game for me.
If you want to experience the MMO, reroll on Skull Throne and don't worry. In Tier 1, there is people running everywhere. You won't ever feel alone anymore
Sounds like a lot of fun, I'll be sure to roll my WP there once I get the game. Question though, are there PVP/PVE servers in WAR? Do PVE servers work like the ones in WoW where you wont be "flagged" unless you opt in?
witness said:
I think there are 3 kinds of server.
Core (PVE) : You have to meet certain conditions to be flagged PVP. Enter a PVP restricted zone, manually flagging yourself for PVP, being in a battleground. The PVE questing and party quests are located in PVE zones.
Open RVR : AKA WoW PVP servers.
Open RVR RP : Same with RP mindset playerbase.
Skull Throne is a Core server.
Today inside the Doomfist Crater:
*Engineer uses Electromagnet*
*all destro players get sucked into the middle*
*Magus uses Chaotic Rift*
*all order players get sucked to all the destro players*
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*scenario ends after 4 minutes with a ~60:60 score*
I think something is wrong with the PvP in this game, but I'm not sure what it is......
*Engineer uses Electromagnet*
*all destro players get sucked into the middle*
*Magus uses Chaotic Rift*
*all order players get sucked to all the destro players*
.
.
.
*scenario ends after 4 minutes with a ~60:60 score*
I think something is wrong with the PvP in this game, but I'm not sure what it is......
Ugly!
Overall not really liking the event. The PvP part is clearly beta testing for the 1.1 stuff and the rest....influence grind...yeah.
And they still need to tweak the loot in keep raids. Just rolled a 56 after getting first in contribution. I can live with it on normal PQs since I just can do them again and there are plenty other chances to get a loot bag, but hoping to get that golden loot bag for the set breast is kinda pointless and won't happen in T3 for me.
Overall not really liking the event. The PvP part is clearly beta testing for the 1.1 stuff and the rest....influence grind...yeah.
And they still need to tweak the loot in keep raids. Just rolled a 56 after getting first in contribution. I can live with it on normal PQs since I just can do them again and there are plenty other chances to get a loot bag, but hoping to get that golden loot bag for the set breast is kinda pointless and won't happen in T3 for me.
Teknopathetic
Member
"And they still need to tweak the loot in keep raids. Just rolled a 56 after getting first in contribution. I can live with it on normal PQs since I just can do them again and there are plenty other chances to get a loot bag, but hoping to get that golden loot bag for the set breast is kinda pointless and won't happen in T3 for me. "
I think Keep lords should just drop loot like instance boss mobs, but somehow linking it to everyone who took part in the keep siege and not whichever party/wb tagged it first. It also needs to be need only for classes who can actually wear it and for who don't already own a piece.
I'm sure that's probably horrifically complicated to actually implement and its easy for some schmoe on a forum to suggest it, but hey.
"I think Keep lords should just drop loot like instance boss mobs, but somehow linking it to everyone who took part in the keep siege and not whichever party/wb tagged it first. It also needs to be need only for classes who can actually wear it and for who don't already own a piece.
I'm sure that's probably horrifically complicated to actually implement and its easy for some schmoe on a forum to suggest it, but hey.
Who do I talk to to get back into the guild? Saw the note that there was a merger or whatever and then gquit so I didn't have to pay taxes anymore on my loots :lol
Also since the queue times were hella long last night in T3 I decided to start playing my RP... Holy hell, healing isn't that bad really, and I've yet to lose a scenario. Good healing with people protecting the healers = win.
Also since the queue times were hella long last night in T3 I decided to start playing my RP... Holy hell, healing isn't that bad really, and I've yet to lose a scenario. Good healing with people protecting the healers = win.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I will do this next time I play. I was playing today in the morning and I was confused about it.phinious said:
So I moved my character to another server and I was reminded why Warhammer is such a great game.
How about a picture:
now you can't really see how many enemy players were there. The next pic shows about half of them.
In case you didn't know; red means enemy. That's half the people right there! We went back on forth on the strongholds for 3 hours! I just casually logged in and bumped into this, it was crazy!
How about a picture:
now you can't really see how many enemy players were there. The next pic shows about half of them.
In case you didn't know; red means enemy. That's half the people right there! We went back on forth on the strongholds for 3 hours! I just casually logged in and bumped into this, it was crazy!
I tried to love you WAR, really, I did.
The mechanics are there I hope a lot of people continue to play and enjoy themselves, but the whole game is just too... structured for me. I love PvP to death, but the whole thing has already become just too predictable. The same scenarios, the same instances, the same keep fights going the same exact way.
And another huge point that it has failed to deliver for me is the weight of combat; that is to say that there's absolutely no risk vs. reward in the combat. I don't get a rush from combat knowing that it doesn't really matter one way or another if I die or do badly. It's just not there. There's no real reason to care all that much about that t4 zone you just lost. It'll reset eventually. I can get my gear elsewhere. RvRing for the hell of it so I can get some trinkets on my belt doesn't interest me in the slightest.
I'm going back to the only MMO whose subscription I have never canceled since I started - EVE.
I plan on making and maintaining an epic EVE thread (even if it's only me posting in it) here shortly.
Best of luck in Bash and Brew guys. What little I did play with them they were a great bunch of guys.
The mechanics are there I hope a lot of people continue to play and enjoy themselves, but the whole game is just too... structured for me. I love PvP to death, but the whole thing has already become just too predictable. The same scenarios, the same instances, the same keep fights going the same exact way.
And another huge point that it has failed to deliver for me is the weight of combat; that is to say that there's absolutely no risk vs. reward in the combat. I don't get a rush from combat knowing that it doesn't really matter one way or another if I die or do badly. It's just not there. There's no real reason to care all that much about that t4 zone you just lost. It'll reset eventually. I can get my gear elsewhere. RvRing for the hell of it so I can get some trinkets on my belt doesn't interest me in the slightest.
I'm going back to the only MMO whose subscription I have never canceled since I started - EVE.
I plan on making and maintaining an epic EVE thread (even if it's only me posting in it) here shortly.
Best of luck in Bash and Brew guys. What little I did play with them they were a great bunch of guys.
mr stroke
Member
otake said:So I moved my character to another server and I was reminded why Warhammer is such a great game.
How about a picture:
now you can't really see how many enemy players were there. The next pic shows about half of them.
In case you didn't know; red means enemy. That's half the people right there! We went back on forth on the strongholds for 3 hours! I just casually logged in and bumped into this, it was crazy!
what server is this? and how do I change over?
I really want to get back into EVE. I canceled my sub because I refuse to pay for two MMOs at a time when I can barely even make the time to play one. BUT. EVE is pretty awesome. ]=JoeMartin said:
I want an MMO with WoW's level of polish, WAR's ease of PvP, AoC's open PvP, and EVE's freedom.
IS THAT REALLY SO MUCH TO ASK?
Maybe I should just quit MMOs!
And, yeah, that's a huge problem. Though I would say there's plenty of reward for doing well in RvR. But there's not near enough risk. You lose nothing. How boring. (This was also a problem in AoC. And WoW. EVE, not so much.)JoeMartin said:
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Deleted member 17706
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Honestly, the game really feels like it is lacking "a point" for people to continue playing. I only have a 25 Runepriest and a 24 Chosen, but I am already starting to feel bored with the game. I can tell that even if I get to level 40 I will just be farming scenarios over and over again to get renown ranks for rewards that really aren't even that great.
The PvE content that I have experienced so far is very boring, and while the PvP content is quite entertaining, it seems to get more and more frustrating as levels progress. I loved Tier 1 and 2, but the massive amount of crowd control abilities that every class gets starting near the end of T2 really takes the enjoyment out of PvP.
Open world RvR is also fairly boring due to the way renown and exp are distributed and calculated, and primarily due to the fact that there isn't much point to holding a keep. There really is no benefit to capturing keeps and defending them. In fact, all you do is lose money (and lots of it in T4 from what I hear). They really needed to make it so that keeps were geographically positioned in a way that made them significant. Put them at crossroads so that is extremely difficult for the other side to pass through without capturing the keep. Maybe make it so that flight masters only exist in keeps or something. There just needs to be some meaning or some kind of significance to owning a keep. It shouldn't just be a drain on resources and give no benefit to the faction that owns it.
Right now the game feels like a good class-based PvP game, but honestly that just isn't enough for me to justify the monthly fee. I like the Warhammer lore, I like the art and graphics, and I really enjoy a lot of the class mechanics, but the game just seems to lack meaning. I don't want to play $15 per month just to have access to scenarios that are usually so lopsided that you know which side is going to have a landside victory within the first two minutes. It is a good game, but they definitely need to add a whole lot to make open world RvR more interesting and improve the PvE game as well.
The PvE content that I have experienced so far is very boring, and while the PvP content is quite entertaining, it seems to get more and more frustrating as levels progress. I loved Tier 1 and 2, but the massive amount of crowd control abilities that every class gets starting near the end of T2 really takes the enjoyment out of PvP.
Open world RvR is also fairly boring due to the way renown and exp are distributed and calculated, and primarily due to the fact that there isn't much point to holding a keep. There really is no benefit to capturing keeps and defending them. In fact, all you do is lose money (and lots of it in T4 from what I hear). They really needed to make it so that keeps were geographically positioned in a way that made them significant. Put them at crossroads so that is extremely difficult for the other side to pass through without capturing the keep. Maybe make it so that flight masters only exist in keeps or something. There just needs to be some meaning or some kind of significance to owning a keep. It shouldn't just be a drain on resources and give no benefit to the faction that owns it.
Right now the game feels like a good class-based PvP game, but honestly that just isn't enough for me to justify the monthly fee. I like the Warhammer lore, I like the art and graphics, and I really enjoy a lot of the class mechanics, but the game just seems to lack meaning. I don't want to play $15 per month just to have access to scenarios that are usually so lopsided that you know which side is going to have a landside victory within the first two minutes. It is a good game, but they definitely need to add a whole lot to make open world RvR more interesting and improve the PvE game as well.
Teknopathetic
Member
Bump for the "Combat and Careers" patch tomorrow.
This is the big patch with all the career rebalancing. Specific notes aren't up yet, this is just Mark Jacobs giving an update on what to expect.
http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/109321363/p1/?83
This is the big patch with all the career rebalancing. Specific notes aren't up yet, this is just Mark Jacobs giving an update on what to expect.
http://vnboards.ign.com/warhammer_online_age_of_reckoning_general_board/b22997/109321363/p1/?83
Should note that the actual patch isn't tomorrow (at least, I don't think) just the patch notes being released.
They might be rolling out the public test server with 1.05, though. I'd assume so anyway, otherwise there is no point in releasing the full notes.
Notes are 17+ pages... and career changes account for almost 14 of those pages.
They might be rolling out the public test server with 1.05, though. I'd assume so anyway, otherwise there is no point in releasing the full notes.
Notes are 17+ pages... and career changes account for almost 14 of those pages.
Teknopathetic
Member
http://herald.warhammeronline.com/warherald/NewsArticle.war?id=434
Patch notes are up and Yeah, nataku was right, this'll be on the Test Server first.
I like just about everything EXCEPT what they did to Ironbreaker grudge. That will really be unplayable. You can't even think about using any grudge spending abilities now. And Grumble an' Mutter absolutely cannot work worth that system. If they want to do this, they're definitely going to have to rework all of the grudge-reliant ablities.
Patch notes are up and Yeah, nataku was right, this'll be on the Test Server first.
I like just about everything EXCEPT what they did to Ironbreaker grudge. That will really be unplayable. You can't even think about using any grudge spending abilities now. And Grumble an' Mutter absolutely cannot work worth that system. If they want to do this, they're definitely going to have to rework all of the grudge-reliant ablities.
On a personal level, I'm kind of disappointed by the changes. They didn't address the some of the weirdness with sorc compared to bright wizard, and they didn't fix alot of abilities that were straight up broken, like the disciple wracking agony. I'm all for balancing, but first they might want to address abilities that are straight up broken/bugged/not working as intended.
Won said:
Yeah, I remember playing a BW all through beta and after release and thinking, "You know, this career is just missing something - they're just not damaging enough, I dunno. It's like they could hit for so much more!"
Fortunately, for the increasingly rare BWs out there, our prayers were heard. Thank you, Mythic.