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Was Joel too powerful and good looking for a 52 year old?
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DavidGzz
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Thanks, man. It's a compliment but also discrediting when I get accused of drugs. I don't even drink let alone inject drugs. I also never fluctuate(the way I see obvious roid users at my gym). I've maintained this size since '05 barring my one serious injury in 2011. The allure was there when I was young but my mortality and health are more and more of a concern as I get older so there is just no way at this point. Idk how O'Hearn does it(maybe money for facelifts?) but usually roid users look older and I get comments that I look young for my age very often.
That’s cool and good for you! But Joel isn’t living anywhere near to such a way that he could keep his Mass over the course of TLOUI. That was really the point, but kudos. I need to get back to the gym!
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Hohenheim
Member
Ah, the worm-man.This guy is 70...
Always cooked to a perfect medium rare, this dude.
MayauMiao
Member
Yeah.But she can?
She’s been aggressively lifting since her mid teens, in an extremely well provided for group al that has a fully modern gym, agriculture, livestock and so on. She’s one of the higher up soldiers in a militaristic society so she’s shown favour in terms of food and resources. She lives at the gym and has spent her life after her father’s death devoted to build herself up to murder the man that did it.
She’s not scavenging for a can of beans every other day trekking across the UnitedStates on foot for over a year and almost dying over a winter, and she wasn’t drinking heavily, or being a scavenger for years before she became a smuggler in a run down city with terrible provisions for citizens like him. Both can be embellished, but Joel is hands down more unrealistic within the context of the story.
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Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
This guy is older than
HeisenbergFX4
and
Topher
www.scmp.com
HeisenbergFX4
and
Topher
Who is Chuando Tan, the Singaporean photographer who ‘never ages’ at 58?
Since going viral for his age-defying appearance in 2017, photographer Tan can now count author and actor among his talents – but the big question is, how does he look so young?
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Calico345
Gold Member
Based.
Topher
Identifies as young
This guy is older than
Who is Chuando Tan, the Singaporean photographer who ‘never ages’ at 58?
Since going viral for his age-defying appearance in 2017, photographer Tan can now count author and actor among his talents – but the big question is, how does he look so young?
HeisenbergFX4
we are the benchmark by which other men are judged
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
DirtyBast8rd
Member
Ban this man.
Topher
Identifies as young
Singular7
Member
Yes, but eat a steak instead, pansie.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
No issue with last of us’ Joel, this is a simple dad character who has one rule, survival.
MayauMiao
Member
She's doesn't seem to be getting any special treatment in terms of food and resource, and also had to wait in line like the rest of them. In fact, when Manny request her to get a particular dish, she says "you get what you get" so it shown she gets no favor.
Perhaps the secret to body muscle mass is burritos?
Also, you say that Abby is "one of the higher up soldiers", yet she is treated like foot soldier. This guy Manny, asked her to sign out and she, slightly pissed, did so. So much for being higher up soldier.
Those guys are on gear.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
Nah, I believe them. I've followed them for years and I know what I've done myself with average genetics. But we're all entitled to our opinions. I believe Will Tennyson as well and he's a taller bigger version of me. Alberto Nuñez is another inspiration that I believe is natural. I'll never get to his body fat percentage.
I wouldn't believe Schofield's arm genetics if I didn't know somehow just like him. I have a workout buddy who has 17 and 5/8 inch arms making my 16.5 inch arms look small.
Here is a good calculator for natty or not. https://ffmicalculator.org/ Anyone in the 22-25 range(on the meter), like myself, with good muscle insertions and a good level of leanness will look unnatty to the average person. Someone like the actor who plays Reacher is at 27.5. I am at ~23. The Rock would be at ~29. Anything over 26 is "suspicious".
This is not full proof, of course. There are people who take steroids too soon or don't eat enough to get to 25, but their builds are possible given enough time and effort with average to above average genetics.
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They’re all on gear. Honesty is virtually extinct in the fitness world.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I think Mike O'Hearn just has amazing genetics and always prioritized aesthetics over size (though he's enornous, just not olympia big)....so he probably tolerates that stuff better than most. So he probably didn't go TOO overboard with everything. But yeah, wow, to continue going for that long. He's a phenom.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
Hmm, we can agree to disagree. I used to be more pessimistic about what was possible. It was during my first 3 or so years of lifting in the early '00s. Then I looked back on the progress I made after several bulks and cuts. What is your idea of the peak a natural can achieve? Say a 5'10" man. Their weight, arm size, etc.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yeah I have always wondered about many of them, they have big followings and there's monetary incentive to lie about it and maybe take low doses so it doesn't look too crazy. That Geoffery Verrity Schofield guy just popped up out of nowhere as a noble natty or whatever and yet is able to make continuous large gains, especially to his biceps. I've been training a while and can put up similar weight and yet he has significant size in his arms, although it's hard to tell how lean he is (I try and stay relatively lean year round).
I suppose it's genetics, but his base wasn't great to begin with. Again though, maybe he's just playing up the lighting/angles/pump.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
I think these days, being honest about steroid use actually gets you way more viewers so there really isn't the same incentive to lie. Look at Sam Sulek and that guy who just announced getting on the juice after having a large following natty all because he doesn't want to bulk lol. Anyway, you really don't have to lie these days about it. People get even more famous and way faster claiming steroids.
gow3isben
Member
Look at that form he probably can’t do 10 real pull ups.
Though still impressive at his age.
On topic I’m in my mid 30s and Joel looks way older he is fine for a healthy 52 who does a lot of exercise and doesn’t eat like shit.
Can’t even find work as a personal trainer much of the time, as a man, if you’re not on steroids/T, never mind as an influencer or bodybuilder.
Every male fitness influencer is lying about taking PEDs, or admitting to taking PEDs as an alternative approach. The incentives are absolute. They all sell supplements and sell the lie that a training regimen and those supplements will get you to look like they do. Meanwhile it’s just gear, every time.
Sets up massively unrealistic expectations for people who start training.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It depends, really.
If you lie about it, and the lie is egregious, the consequences can be pretty bad - just look at the Liver King. Granted, the guy is absolutely loaded and has generational wealth, but his following online definitely nose dived after he was found out. There's a reason Mike O'Hearn will never directly come clean about it. Although he's a running meme at this point.
Guys like Sam, they never talked about Steroids (did he ever admit to it recently?), so technically never lied or said that just eating carnivore and organs will lead to looking like a steroid freak.
Nippard definitely has a very high FFMI, so I don't know. But he's also short, and maybe short guys have a higher FFMI potential? 5'4 and 170 lbs shredded is massive
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gow3isben
Member
Some people with really good genetics aren’t on gear.
Of course people like O’hearn or Sulek are but Jesse James, Tennyson, Nippard all have a natural look to them.
I think a guy with great genetics who trains will look better than a guy with poor genetics who uses.
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
dude is 70
VolticArchangel
Member
This guy is 52 as well, and will run circles on Joel any day of the week, lost his comrades in a viral outbreak in his own base of operations, was forced to pull the trigger himself, all to be led to the truth that he is brainwashed to believe that he's 20TH century's greatest mercenary for nine years in an artificially induced coma, while the real one is building his utopia with him as an alibi.
Good looking? Well...
Good looking? Well...
The delts and traps tell the truth in each case.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
Liver King makes me, Nippard and Geoffrey look like little bitches outside of posed up close pics with a pump. But I don't think he was ever 170 shredded(Nippard). Maybe 145-150. He's like 180 right now but probably 23% bf. Even in the pics I posted I'm like 18%. That's another big thing, people underestimate body fat percentage. I don't even have a 6 pack. They are overrated and I love donuts lol
Here,
James Sawyer Ford
he says he is 5'5" and 150 pounds here right before his competition. That's about 24 on the FFMI calculator.
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Edmund
is waiting for Starfield 7
When I grow up. I want to be like you!
midasmulligan
Member
No sir, you just forgot what men used to be
Topher
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The Fartist
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DavidGzz
Gold Member
She's doesn't seem to be getting any special treatment in terms of food and resource, and also had to wait in line like the rest of them. In fact, when Manny request her to get a particular dish, she says "you get what you get" so it shown she gets no favor.
Perhaps the secret to body muscle mass is burritos?
Also, you say that Abby is "one of the higher up soldiers", yet she is treated like foot soldier. This guy Manny, asked her to sign out and she, slightly pissed, did so. So much for being higher up soldier.
Yeah, no extra food/protein and no steroids and a female would never be her size. In some shots, she looks about my size lol.
Aces High
Member
Good job, man.
Don't see it as discrediting. People overestimate the effect of roids, or at least of Testosterone. For some competition compounds it's another story. This stuff works on everybody, but it will change your life for the worse.
People think once they hop on the gear, they will look like Ronny. But in Bodybuilding, there's an untalked survivor bias: A lot of people don't have the biochemical genetics to "endure" roid usage. Many quit after week one or two because of the side effects. Heck, some men can't even do TRT.
I think your pictures show a perfect mix of luck and knowing exactly what you're doing.
You started at 17 and have 25 years of workout experience. This is unvaluable for muscle development. Let's he honest: a guy starting at 42 can't look like you naturally. He can't build during his 40s and 50s what you built as a teenager (teenagers often have supraphysiological hormone levels) and in your 20s.
Anabolic lighting and the type of mirror play an immense role.
And, of course, the #1 defining factor: Genetics.
Some people can do everything wrong and will grow like crazy (not saying you did things wrong). Some people can do everything right and will barely grow at all. Ice cold fact: Bodybuilding is a genetic arms race. And it's unfair.
Bone structure plays a huge role. Small men with short limbs have an immense advantage over tall guys with long limbs. So if you a structure like Nippard or Gimli, it's much easier.
As for O'Hearn...
He's a genetically superior human being. He looked like a superhero as a teenager and he looks like one 30 years later. He's also always been one of the strongest BBs. Mike has guru knowledge in terms of training, nutrition, and roids. Amazing guy.
Aces High
Member
Yes, it's ridiculous.
Also, having big muscles is a disadvantage for survival. It's the stupidest thing you can aim for in a post-apocalyptic society.
Awful writing.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
Yep, great post. And I agree about the man starting late in life(42) and the fact that he is not reaching his younger genetic limit. He can still look great, but overall size will be diminished. Many people will start late in life and never reach an impressive physique and say anyone who has, used drugs. It doesn't help that there are people who lie. Combine these two factors and you have this problem of extreme pessimism. On the one hand, you have people reaching my level in a year on steroids, giving people false hope but also once they are outed, anyone who looks remotely close "must" be using. This day in age, if you look good/great, it isn't possible to many. It's sad.
CamHostage
Member
I'm 43. I don't plan on falling apart in 7 years.
Heh, watch out for a speedbump at about 47, my friend...
You have a lot farther to fall than I ever did, but everybody begins their downward slide eventually.
hyperbertha
Member
If this is what your mental image of a 50 year old looks like, you have no hope. Go to the gym for once dude. Look at Zoe Quinn's dad. Look at chuando tanJoel is repeatedly called old, old timer and Gramps throughout the game. Yet the guy looks like he's in his mid 30s and has the strength of men in their 20s
He cleaves through men like they're nothing and Has a higher body count that drake. He pretty much looks the same as he does in the intro, other than abit of silver in his hair; which men get in their 30s anyway.
Man went through hell. Daughters dead; had to murder innocent people for 20 years just to eat.
Could this man achieve Joel's feats?
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