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Was Joel too powerful and good looking for a 52 year old?
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sloppyjoe_gamer
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Joel is repeatedly called old, old timer and Gramps throughout the game. Yet the guy looks like he's in his mid 30s and has the strength of men in their 20s
He cleaves through men like they're nothing and Has a higher body count that drake. He pretty much looks the same as he does in the intro, other than abit of silver in his hair; which men get in their 30s anyway.
Man went through hell. Daughters dead; had to murder innocent people for 20 years just to eat.
Could this man achieve Joel's feats?
I find it comical that whereever you got that image from OP, thinks that is what an average 52 yr old looks like. I'm a few yrs away from that number and i can tell you that i am in better shape than most guys in their 30s. Why does society treat men like shit? Just a sidebar and i wont go down that rabbit hole further lol
On topic, i didn't think Joel was supposed to be 52 in the games, i figured he was a dude in his early 40s.
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Negotiator101
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Did you see the fight? Paul is not a high level boxer either he's low level and Tyson had nothing for him because of age, and that's a former World Champ. An average 50 year old would be far worse regardless if he "looks after himself".
Aces High
Member
Exactly.
Joel could easily kill Abby with his bare hands without breaking a sweat.
Male vs male fights, that's where it gets serious.
It’s pretty transparent.
For Joel the justification revolves around what is possible*
* by todays standards with access to modern infrastructure even though Joel had none of that and ought be visibly malnourished and weak by the end of the first game
For Abby they’re desperately grasping at anything they can while harping about what’s realistic*
*when she’s the one that actually has access to the amenities and infrastructure to maintain muscle or get buff in the first place
Two completely different standards
Say what you want about both of them being embellishments, it’s a video game, but Joel maintaining his mass and strength is way more unrealistic than Abby getting buff from weightlifting for years from her mid teens
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Daneel Elijah
Member
Sean Connery for the film Zardoz. 1974, so he was around 44 years old. You can look at him a decade later and he was still mostly in shape in the 80s. I can see Joel as a Sean Connery that never stopped doing hard labor and is genetically gifted. Was Joel too powerful? Probably. Too beautiful? No. But too youthful looking? Maybe. But not to the point that he was breaking immersion IMHO.
PeteBull
Member
Bro, go to ur local gym and look how pathethically weak all(yes, all) women are there, they are lifting weights that 14yo boys are even ashamed to touch when they go to the gym for the first time, stop comparing abby, even on roids to anything that joel did.
TLOU2 was amazing graphically, but cared agenda, including equality, while in reality women and men are nothing but equal, especially in terms of what they can do physically, and what they can endure, both physically and mentaly.
Abby on roids would need to be under supervision and constant check ups of an endocrinologist, being on juice isnt just randomly taking something, u gotta check ur blood every few weeks and change dosages/apply other drugs, on top u need to take stuff that prevents/softens sideeffects and even with all that there is no warranty ur health wont suffer badly( u could actually say, being on roids is like taking a loan, u will have to pay it off eventually, with nasty interest).
Druckman just had that vision to show of masculine woman manhandling big guys while still having 0 sideeffects from years of roids usage, all to promote wokeness and to show "strong independend woman".
In this short clip alone abby pulled feats of strenght and endurance that brock lesnar wouldnt be ashamed of, and no- juice doesnt(shouldnt) make her tiny fragile feminine scull more durable, roids are actually making ur bones weaker, not stronger
She would get knocked out cold after one slap with open hand to the face normally, and here she is taking a hit to the temple with a steel gun like its nothing and right after that not even falling on the ground and spending few seconds to reccuperate but fighting with clear mind and overwhelming her oponent with pure strenght
Then when asked if she is allright- yeah
Look how fragile woman's skull actually is when taken for a test vs man's fist, same weightclass even, boxing gloves and headgear- yet result is what it is after just few straights:
Banjo64
cumsessed
I suppose it comes down to your scale for believability in fiction. I’m sure you’d agree that big bird would be out of place in TLoU universe.
Is it reasonable for Nate Drake to beat 100 men back to back in hand to hand combat? Probably not, but as he could beat 1 man we can stretch our believability. Could Nadine beat up 1 man like Nate? No. So it breaks your immersion and you see it for what it is.
CoreyFlawless
Member
Well, I’m sure he not eating any junkie stuff and he staying fit for being active. I seen some 50yr olds moving and looking like they in there 30’s. But once they get near 60 or mover 60. The age start really catching up for sure then
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
He's always been James Brolin to me, so yeah he was just right.
mayham2199
Member
Weird I just stopped taking creatine recently also. I notice a difference but it's very little. Like if I'm benching 250 5 x 5 and it's semi-easy for me. When I stop taking creatine that last set of 5 x 5 might only be 4 instead of 5. If I do get the 5 it's very hard to pull off.
The one thing I have noticed though is I no longer wake up in the middle of the night to pee like I used to. I drink a ton of water and to not wake up in the middle of the night I had to stop drinking water at like 4pm which I would never do. Now I can drink water like an hour before bed and I'll still sleep through the rest of the night.
To be fair I don't think its just men. I am 100% in agreement with you though and in the same position at 47/48. I am fitter now than I was in my 20s, as I then smoked, drunk, took far too many narcotics and didn't look after myself at all. I hurt a lot more now but am so much fitter.
I guess the problem is unless you have sustained an injury that prevents you from putting the hard work in, nothing is stopping anyone our age from not looking like that and yet so many people give up.
1 hour a day is all it takes, be it running, strength training and on days off some good walking, stuff that the human body needs to function properly.
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Such a shame that RFK is batshit crazy in the head.
She is taking male hormones.
Aces High
Member
I'm still baffled that they ever let this happen.
Fighting is no joke. The guy can seriously injure the woman or, in the worst case, kill her.
Clown world.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
Joel is repeatedly called old, old timer and Gramps throughout the game. Yet the guy looks like he's in his mid 30s and has the strength of men in their 20s
He cleaves through men like they're nothing and Has a higher body count that drake. He pretty much looks the same as he does in the intro, other than abit of silver in his hair; which men get in their 30s anyway.
Man went through hell. Daughters dead; had to murder innocent people for 20 years just to eat.
Could this man achieve Joel's feats?
This is anything but definitely NOT a 52 years old man.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I hate that this thread turned into Abby hating yet again.
She is motivated, she lived in the gym, she takes roids or something. It's all in the game.
You should've seen how she looks by the end of that story.
Such a great character.
And... are we looking at the same person here?
She is motivated, she lived in the gym, she takes roids or something. It's all in the game.
You should've seen how she looks by the end of that story.
Such a great character.
And... are we looking at the same person here?
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
49 here and that sums it up perfectly lol......my 13+ years as ice hockey when i was younger too getting knocked flying all the time and knocking others flying did a number on my knees that i feel now. My main pain point daily is my hips but none of that stops me from keeping fit, especially seeing as family history isnt in my favor (Lost both parents before aged 65, and my sister at aged 42).
KaiserBecks
Member
Yeah I suspect that as well, but I pointed her out because her voice is normal.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Multi millionaire with healthcare and personal lifestyle coach vs construction worker?Keanu Reeves 52 years old (2017)
Aces High
Member
Rich people take synthetic HGH (Somatropin).
It's more or less a compound for eternal youth.
Skin looks younger. Muscles are bigger. You lose fat and get super lean.
Downside is price, since it costs several thousand Dollars per month if you take the good stuff. And you have a significantly higher chance of developing type 2 diabetes, which is the prestage for Alzheimer's disease.
Knightime_X
Member
I dunno.
Ask this guy..
Ask this guy..
Closer
Member
I hate that this thread turned into Abby hating yet again.
She is motivated, she lived in the gym, she takes roids or something. It's all in the game.
You should've seen how she looks by the end of that story.
Such a great character.
And... are we looking at the same person here?
That clipping on her forearms inside her biceps...
Bro if you’ve been to the gym then you’d know while there’s no overcoming the differences, that women normally lift well below their capabilities due to many factors.
They’re not going for mass to the same degree men are because they want to enhance femininity, not masculinity. If you’ve been to the gym you ought know that you lift differently for different goals. Women don’t want to max out their shoulders and biceps so their weight usage reflects that. It’s why there are so comparatively few female powerlifters.
There’s also a reason that’s backed up by science, in how they are reinforced that they’re not strong so they psychologically don’t push as hard in weight lifting.
Simply telling people they were on gear increased their strength by 321%. The study shows the whole swings your performance can have based on placebo’s or nocbos. Women aren’t anywhere near as strong as men at peak for each, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t conditioned to think their cieling is much lower than it actually is. By the way, the amount of dianabol administered by way of that example was only enough to effect strength by single digits.
Secondly people citing T levels between men and women, sit down.
Let’s talk about muscle gain between men and women. Guess what? If you’re expecting a correlation between testosterone and muscle growth in women, you’re gonna be disappointed.
Women gain just as much muscle mass as men in strength training, they just start at a lower amount
Women actually have a higher amount of muscle protein synthesis than men
Because in women testosterone takes a back seat.
“The difference in lean body mass is sufficient to account for the observed differences in strength and aerobic performance seen between the sexes without the need to hypothesize that performance is in any way determined by the differences in testosterone levels.”
For women, there’s a lot of research showing IGF-1 and growth hormone predominantly take over for testosterone when compared to men. Women have just as much IGF-1 and three times as much growth hormone
That’s why having 1/20 or 1/10 the T doesn’t mean correlate with women. They don’t rely on testosterone in the way men do.
And at the elite level natural female athletes have 85% as much muscle as men.
Does your uneducated gym bro ass want to talk about estrogen now? Let’s go there.
With that out of the way estrogen is key in muscle repair and maintenance.
It’s anti catobolic which prevents muscle loss
It’s why women fatigue less than men and recover faster than men
So yeah, a girl training full bore in a ‘IDGAF how I look or the perceptive limitations’ murder quest from her mid teens into her early twenty’s? When, if you look at the other people in the gym? It’s not unlikely they have *something* in circulation, (but even if they didn’t) is actually more believable than Joel being 52, not taking care of himself at all from his 40’s, reeking across the US on foot for a year, almost dying through fall/winter after getting impaled, and somehow not dropping mass or strength. Miss me with your Abby takes unless you acknowledge Joel is impossible
You want I could start posting Natty women but people here probably wouldn’t believe it. Again it’s most likely explained by weird guys feeling threatened by women in a ‘male space’.
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I go to the gym 3 times a week but I don't lift because muscles disgust me. I can run up to the 20th floor without getting out of breath though.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
That's a no brainer, we're all on borrowed time, but I've been hearing this since age 30. My brother said 30 is the year bro. Then a brother in law said 35, it's all downhill and you'll have a gut like me. Then it was 38-40. Now the new one is 47. Guess I'll wait another 4 years to begin falling apart. Maybe then someone will tell me 51 is when it will happen and I'll wait some more lol.
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CamHostage
Member
Ha, I thought "Over the Hill" was outdated greeting card pap too, when I hit 40 and felt just fine from not smoking and living relatively active. Then one day I woke up and just was like, "What the fuck, knees! I thought i was doing you a favor by taking a desk job for two decades..."
DavidGzz
Gold Member
I have a desk job but we have standing desks so I am either walking on a treadmill or using a recumbent bike my whole shift.
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PeteBull
Member
I will just adress this first point, which proves u got 0 clue what u talking about- even young buck, in his late teens/early tweenties with testosterone going in his veins like crazy needs years upon years to build any decent amount of musclemass naturally.
It doesnt happen overnight, those 25-30lbs(and im talking best case scenario, assuming dedication, no or very light injuries and sticking to the diet/workout rutine all the time) of lean musclemass u can build over what u start with is long process, usually 10years+, even for a healthy guy in his prime who lifts heavy.
And since women have feminine endocrine system(roughly 16-17x lower testosterone vs male, much higher estrogen lvl for females, many other differences too), and their bones/joints are not build for lifting heavy weight(from guys perspective) there is literally no way in hell they need to worry about getting bulky/too muscular, it simply cannot happen unless they stick needle with roids into their body.
As a proof here some polish female fit-tuber, she trained for years specifically for powerlifting, and competed early on in bikini fitness, then later in powerlifting competitions(as an amatour), she did participate in polish edition of "american ninja warrior" too, on one of the vids she does 10+ proper pull ups(full rom, no kiping, so they look 10x better from the ones that grandpa kennedy does).
TLDR : She isnt just some total rando who doesnt know how to workout, it was/is basically her whole life day by day for 8+years, and yet thats how she looks:
Do u understand now, why abby, or that tiny american fit influencer look out of place/unnatural? Coz they fucking are, woman can not build any big(compared to a guy) amount on muscles on their shoulders/traps/chest simply, her hormones will not allow it
Pharaoh 117
Member
I dunno.
Ask this guy..
Man, if he ever gets off the juice the transformation will be even more shocking than Batista's.
PeteBull
Member
He will have to at some point, or he will die much earlier vs if he downsized himself to healthy 200-220lbs. Caring so much musclemass is terrible for his health, and especially at older age those side effects from the mountains of drugs he took must be crazy, when he started playing in movies he got bigger, much bigger vs his size durning wrestling carreer ffs
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I still have no idea why the East and West divide is so huge. No one in Asia would EVER complain that the protagonist is too strong or youthful for their age. In fact it is cultural lore that the stronger you are and the more you train your body, the less you age. So the idea that someone looked younger than they are is almost assumed if it is a protagonist.
And yet in the West somehow there is a demand for "realism"?
Who is even PAYING for realism? I wouldn't. Maybe that's why Skyrim in Asia is always modded to have beautiful people. Does the West want to deny that playing games is an escape, that they want gaming to be art? In Asia everyone know gaming is MEANT to be an escape from reality. So Asia never care about realism.
And yet in the West somehow there is a demand for "realism"?
Who is even PAYING for realism? I wouldn't. Maybe that's why Skyrim in Asia is always modded to have beautiful people. Does the West want to deny that playing games is an escape, that they want gaming to be art? In Asia everyone know gaming is MEANT to be an escape from reality. So Asia never care about realism.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Aces High
Member
What a bunch of BS.
You just linked some abstracts. And you didnt even understand them.
Hard facts:
Women have 60-80% less muscle mass than men on average, and they also have higher body fat.
Women don't build muscle mass as quickly as men, especially in the upper body.
Women tend to have most of their muscle mass in lower body, which plays a minor role in fighting. Men have dramatically more muscle mass in their chest, arms and shoulders, which are the most important muscle groups for fighting.
It's true that women heavily rely on IGF1 pathways for muscle growth, but that's simply because they have low T. Their T levels are too low to drive muscle protein synthesis.
Men have 10-20x higher T + IGF1. Women have super low T + IGF1. Testosteron upregulates IGF1 production. So men have a significant anabolic edge.
It is true that women have high recovery abilities for low-intensity endurance activities. But that's limited to specific phases of the menstrual cycle and doesn't play a role for strength and hypertrophy training. Men have significantly higher recovery capabilities for strength and hypertrophy training due to high T.
I don't get it.
Women are amazing as they are.
Women can carry and sustain life through pregnancy.
It's a true marvel if you think about it. Biomagic. And it's by far the most important feature of the human species.
This feature comes with advantages:
Women have much stronger immune systems than men due to higher estrogen. They have immune redundancy so they can keep themselves and a baby alive. They are much more resistant to infections and recover faster from sickness.
Women have the gift of longevity. On average, they have a longer livespan than men because of genetic and hormonal differences. The body of a woman can repair DNA much faster.
Women have a different brain structure with certain parts overdeveloped compared to men. They excel at communication, multitasking, and emotional intelligence.
Women are designed just fine with significant advantages over men.
There's no need to create lies in order to make woman into something that they are not.
Toons
Member
All video game characters have a measure of embellishment. Their usually exceptional, not average. You could find dues like Joel in the real world but even then it would only take a couple young guys grouped up to take him down.
His reaction time and stamina is 100% not gonna be enough for that but that goes for most things. Nathan drake isn't taking down 10 able bodied young men either
His reaction time and stamina is 100% not gonna be enough for that but that goes for most things. Nathan drake isn't taking down 10 able bodied young men either
