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Was Jurassic Park 3 supposed to be a comedy?

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Odoul

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Love the first and both books. Enjoyed the second for the most part. Original is an undisputable classic.

Saw 3 yesterday. This felt like half a movie. It was full of things that just made you go "WHAT!". The raptor dream. The dumbass mom on the megaphone. The way the spinosauras popping up. The fukken ending.

Although there was that one moment that deserved to be in a cooler film and you know what it is.

After seeing this I'm all for a JP4 that's completely different from the first 2. Anything better than a bad facsimile.
 

themadcowtipper

Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
I really dont know, but the one thing we all can agree on is
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it was pretty crappy but the dinosaur fight between the t-rex and that other dinosaur was pretty sweet. other than that it was the feel good comedy of the year
 

Memles

Member
JP3>>>>>>JP2.

Yeah, the subject manner was all sorts of sketchy, but it seemed like a cohesive, fast-moving popcorn film. The first is a classic...the second is a clusterfuck...and the third is a popcorn film.
 
I liked it better than JP2. More of a fun, pop-in DVD, while doing other stuff and pay attention when the fun sequences come around.
 
well JP2 was a piece of shit if only for that fucking joke of a scene with the chick doing gymnastics to kill the raptor. that is quite easily the worst scene in any movie ever (and that includes godfather 3 when sofia coppola goes "D..ad..." when she gets killed)

but yeah jp 3 > jp2, still thats like saying dog shit smells better than cat shit
 

WedgeX

Banned
They had Marines....and...they....STOOD around!

We couldn't even get a decent shootout/attack between the Marines and some dinos!?
 
I really hated 2, if only for the fact Crichton wrote a great sequal to a book that didn't need a sequal and then when they made the movie they decided the book wasn't good enough so they did something else. My God, the second book would have made a great movie but they almost totally threw the entire thing out the window.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
FrenchMovieTheme said:
well JP2 was a piece of shit if only for that fucking joke of a scene with the chick doing gymnastics to kill the raptor.

I'd like to second that. The gymnastics/raptor incident *is* the worst movie scene ever.
 
I haven't read it since it came out. I just remember being shocked that such a movie-friendly book was ignored when they made the movie.

I can get it from the library tomorrow though. It's about time to read them both again anyway.
 
IIRC, it was kinda similar to the movie where they had two different expeditions going to the island that was featured in the movie (i.e. not the one in JP 1). Except this time while one expedition was a rescue operation, kinda like the movie, the other team was one formed by a competing company to Ingen that was looking for DNA samples of the dinos so that they could do their own thing or something. Memory is pretty fuzzy but I remember it being good but I was about 13 or so when I read it. One of the major plot points that was also featured in the movie, and why I probably remember it, was the baby T-Rex that fractured his leg and needed medical attention. It ended up eating the head guy to the expedition team of the competing company. Also, there was no going back to San Diego and trying to form an amusement park and having a big ass T-Rex run loose in the city.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Jurassic Park 3 is Grade B cheesy fun, but it knows it's Grade B cheesy fun and plays to it. It's short and entertaining.

The Lost World is a bunch of shit.
 

Memles

Member
I think that one of the reasons they ended up changing The Lost World so much was that, in fact, many of its ideas were stolen for the purpose of the JP script. For instance, the entire dynamic of two children, as well as the computer hacking Lex at the climax, were both taken from Lost World. I really enjoyed it, to be honest. It was different than JP...maybe too different in some way? I mean, parts of it made it into JPIII (Abandoned Lab, etc.), but it would have worked, in my opinion, as a movie as it was. They seemed to lose focus on this, in a big way.

I did a project on the movie adaptation of Jurassic Park itself, and it's really quite amazing how many scenes were written into the second two films from the first book.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Willco said:
Jurassic Park 3 is Grade B cheesy fun, but it knows it's Grade B cheesy fun and plays to it. It's short and entertaining.

The Lost World is a bunch of shit.
That sums it up fairly well. Both were cheesy stupidity, but JP3 embraced it while JP2 took itself too seriously.
 

Shinobi

Member
JP1 doesn't hold up for me upon repeated viewings. Still decent I guess, but it isn't close to being a classic. Lost World might've been the biggest bullshit movie I've ever seen. And after seeing JP3 last night for the first time, I thought the dialouge made the first two movies look good. And the bullshit level was almost as big as JP2. Still, it was fun to see once.
 
I loved the two books. The differences between the movies and the books though is vast.

The beginning of The Lost World is taken from the introduction of the original Jurassic Park IIRC. The part where the compy's eat the little girl.

Also, Tim is older than Lex in the book, and it's Tim who hax0rz the computers in the first book. The second book also explains how T-Rexes CAN see without movement. There are a lot of differences between the two...

The Lost World is Site B of Jurassic Park. Where all the research took place as opposed to the first film/book which was basically all park.

Dodgeson was also a main bad guy in The Lost World.
 

Odoul

Member
That scene in TLW where the black kid(Arby?) locks himself in the cage and is rolled to the raptor nest.

Or the chameleons.

The original version of Eddy.

If the book was just made straight up it would've been so awesome.
 

Wendo

Vasectomember
I started laughing out loud in the theater when that "militarized JP theme" music came on at the end of JP3 with the marines on the beach.
 
Odoul said:
That scene in TLW where the black kid(Arby?) locks himself in the cage and is rolled to the raptor nest.

Or the chameleons.

The original version of Eddy.

If the book was just made straight up it would've been so awesome.

Like that part where they say the graphics on the computer MUST be generated by a big cable underneath the ground so thats how they will escape... ROLLEYES!

Lost World was a pretty broken movie but it took the few good parts of the book and worked it into a semi cohesive film. I can tell that the movie was never finished. Raptors were supposed to be on the boat when it hit harbour. They shot footage for it but the effects were never completed. That is why the guys on the boat are all dead while the T-REX is contained within the hold.
 

suaveric

Member
Nash said:
I'd like to second that. The gymnastics/raptor incident *is* the worst movie scene ever.

That's top five for sure, but does it really beat the "Do you know what happens when a Toad is hit by lighting?" scene from X-Men?
 

TJ Bennett

TJ Hooker
I really enjoyed Jurassic Park 3 for what it was. It was very entertaining and didn't take itself seriously at all. You could notice the little touches that Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor added to the script to make it much more amusing that it would have been otherwise. I have to agree with the majority and say that The Lost World is just awful. The gymnastics scene is one of the most ridiculous moments in movie history. I say bring on the fourth installment to see what they can do. I didn't expect much out of 3 and was pleasantly surprised.
 

Dead

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suaveric said:
That's top five for sure, but does it really beat the "Do you know what happens when a Toad is hit by lighting?" scene from X-Men?
yeah it does, by a huge margin.
 
Before they sop making Jurassic Park films (Universal has the rights up to JP 6) I WANT THE FUCKING CARNOTAURS IN A MOVIE FOR FUCK'S SAKE! That was THE best part of TLW book and my little childhood dreams were SHATTERED when I went to see it and they weren't there. The Lost World movie fucking SUCKS and I HATE it more than anything because the book was so great and Spielburg fucked it up SO BAD just so he could do his "dinosaur in the city" BULLSHIT.

For those who haven't read the book, here's a summary from what I can remember. Which is a lot.

Ian Malcom is a teacher at a university, he has a son or nephew named Arby. A friend of his, named Richard Levine, is a scientist and he hears about strange carcasses washin up on the shore of Costa Rica. He gets sent a sample and, after researching it a bit, goes off in search of the island it's from. Ian finds out about this and he goes off to find him, he gets together a team of himself, a guy named Thorn, Eddie Carr, and Arby and some girl stow away in the RV. He goes to the island and sets up camp and tries to five Levine.
Meanwhile, his flame, Sara Harding, finds out about this and hitches a ride on a boat with shitbag Dodgeson from InGEN's rivals. (Or were InGEN the good guys? I don't remember.) Anyway Dodgeson is the asshole from the first bok that gets Nedry to steal the ebryos. He and two others go to the island because they found out it's Site B, the REAL place where Hammond made dinos for Jurassic Park. He and his buddies go and try to steal an egg from every dinosaur species on the island, since they've all broken out of their pens and are living freely.
Ian's team eventually finds Levine, he's discovered the TRex nest and has set up cameras and shit to watch how they live. They also find Sara, and something happens...can't remember what, that gets a baby TRex with a busted leg into their RV. The scene from the movie follows. They also have something called a High Hide, where they can go up into it and watch the savana of dinosaurs. This gets attacked by raptors and leads to a lot of really cool scenes.
Skipping over a whole lot, they are trying to find their way off the island, to a helipad or something, and they come accross a gas station that not even the TRexes will enter. (Levine tells the group that even when they do come in, they hurry through very quickly.) We also learn that during the night, the raptors don't come around either. It turns out to be because the fucking coolest dinosaurs in the world, the Carnotaurs, live at the gas station. These things are what washed up on shore in Costa Rica and they can change the color of their skin to match their surroundings TO A T. There's a fucking awesome scene where Thorn is stuck in a shed and there are two of them hunting him. I WANT TO SEE THIS SCENE IN A MOVIE GOD DAMMIT.

I'm not gonna spoil the end of the book, it's really fucking good. I like it better than Jurassic Park because there isn't SO MUCH science mumbo-jumbo shit in it. It's a bit more of an adventure book than JP is, but it's just as good. Everyone who hasn't read it but liked JP should read it, and if you liked the movie read the book because the movie fucking sucks ass.
 

belgurdo

Banned
I remember JP1 fondly, but only because of the CG and the "ZOMG WE CAN CLONE TEH DINOSAURS" hoop-la that came about around then. That movie was kinda flat otherwise-lots of Grant and those stupid kids running and hiding.

Then JP2 and 3 tried to turn the concept into a Godzilla movie. wtf
 
We had a heated debate about JP3 here at GAF back when it came out in the theaters several years ago.

I'm one of those who think JP3 was utter garbage. They basically brought the series down to Anaconda/Lake Placid/Deep Blue Sea levels. The series was suppose to be a lot better than this. Sorry, I'm not content with the series becoming a mindless popcorn flick after the bar the first film set.

There's usually a lot of disagreement about JP2 around here. While the film does have some glaring plot holes and impossibilities (the gymnastics scene and the entire San Diego segment), it still maintains the basic theme of the first film. The story was decent and somewhat plausible (at least early on). Even though they didn't have an I.Q of 180 yet, the Raptors were still very cool even with limited action. You can't tell me the tall grass scene wasn't the sh*t. Many movies have mimicked it. Also, aside from the annoying little girl (who actually wasn't too bad sans the gym scene), the characters were pretty cool. You can't tell me Roland wasn't a total badass either. JP2 started off very well, it just faltered greatly in the final 20 minutes, so it left a bad test in the mouth.

With JP3, something pisses me off every 5 minutes. Literally. There isn't one stretch of the movie that doesn't jar me because of the total non-sense.

The JP series has become just a merchandising excuse for the studio. The next movie will go something like this...

JP4 Plot
The movie will be 45 minutes long and will feature Ray Arnold (Sam L. Jackson) coming back from the dead. However, he sports a robotic arm since his flesh arm is still missing. All is well except for when his Love Child adam goes to site B in order to find his papi's arm. (Rumor his it that Adam was conceived in the Power Shed with Dr. Ellie Sattler in JP1).

(Production Photo)
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Ray Arnold needs help rescuing his son, but Sam Neil said he won't go in a billion years, especially since he was already fooled twice. But Ray suggests flipping a coin and promises Sam a winning Lotto ticket. Within 5 minutes, they're on their way to Site B.

Sam starts giving Ray a tour of the island from the plane, but then Ray reminds Sam that he helped fucking build the park! They land on the island and immediately they see the MegaUberSaraus kill not one, but two Spinosaraus with one swipe. Add 20 minutes of running and screaming.

They find Adam who had been living off his own feces and drinking Dino ball sweat for 10 weeks. Adam tells his dad that he just wanted to get his arm back for him. He thought maybe if he got the arm back, dad and mom would get back together. Unfortunately, Ray bitch-slapped Adam and said, "My arm is on Site A you dumb fuck!". Adam: "There's a Site A?".

The raptors have transcended doing any physical combat themselves and instead have designed and built mecha armor and weaponry for all the other dinosaurs, which they've made slaves of. The raptors control them remotely via telekinesis.

dinobot_01.jpg


Add another 10 minutes of running and screaming. Right before the end, Sam Neil finds out that little Adam wants to bring back a jar of Dino Ball Sweat (TM) to the mainland so Sam pompously proclaims the boy a "John Hammond wanna-be". Ray Arnold has disappeared from the story for no apparent reason. Then the Swiss and Canadian army come to the rescue and do battle with the mecha dinos, and then save Sam and little Adam.

Heading back on the plane little Adam is frustrated and says, "I guess my dad and mom will never get back together." Sam turns to him and says...

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"Adam, I am your father!"

Cue credits at minute 46:36.
 

swoon

Member
the actual jp4 script sounds really amazing and over the top and very gorey. but they aren't going to use it so whatever.
 

Jill Sandwich

the turds of Optimus Prime
The only thing I want to see in JP4 is a 30 minute battle between the Dinobots and Trypticon at the end. To a cock rock soundtrack by Lion or Vince Dicola!
 
swoon said:
the actual jp4 script sounds really amazing and over the top and very gorey. but they aren't going to use it so whatever.


Are you kidding? Or are you talking about a different script than I'm thinking? Because the JP4 script I know about deals with some guy in the Alps who crossbreeds Raptors with dogs AND HUMANS WHAT THE FUCK. They have longer arms are loyal like a dog and are super intelligent, and he's training them to be some kind of bio weapon. And he has an Ankleosaur in his dungeon. And there are no Carnotaurs.

PS - That Carnotaur looks like it's from Disney's Dinosaur. Check out the JP1 figure for the TOTAL BADASS VERSION:

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Yes I did spend $75 on ebay ordering one of those mint in box a few years ago. Yes I do have a small Carnotaur skull keychain somewhere in my room. Yes, they are the fucking coolest dinosaurs evar!

Color changing or not, their real "ability" was that they could split their lower jawbone into two parts and it hinged o both sides in the middle of the jaw, so that they could open their mouths hella wide.

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RAWR!
 

Jacobi

Banned
Jurassic Park 3 was such a terrible movie. Unbelievable. Also it seemed as if Sam Neill wanted to be the cool hero.

Your theory could be true. But let's wait for an even worse JP4.
 

Tunesmith

formerly "chigiri"
WordAssassin said:
Before they sop making Jurassic Park films (Universal has the rights up to JP 6) I WANT THE FUCKING CARNOTAURS IN A MOVIE FOR FUCK'S SAKE! That was THE best part of TLW book and my little childhood dreams were SHATTERED when I went to see it and they weren't there. The Lost World movie fucking SUCKS and I HATE it more than anything because the book was so great and Spielburg fucked it up SO BAD just so he could do his "dinosaur in the city" BULLSHIT.

For those who haven't read the book, here's a summary from what I can remember. Which is a lot.

Ian Malcom is a teacher at a university, he has a son or nephew named Arby. A friend of his, named Richard Levine, is a scientist and he hears about strange carcasses washin up on the shore of Costa Rica. He gets sent a sample and, after researching it a bit, goes off in search of the island it's from. Ian finds out about this and he goes off to find him, he gets together a team of himself, a guy named Thorn, Eddie Carr, and Arby and some girl stow away in the RV. He goes to the island and sets up camp and tries to five Levine.
Meanwhile, his flame, Sara Harding, finds out about this and hitches a ride on a boat with shitbag Dodgeson from InGEN's rivals. (Or were InGEN the good guys? I don't remember.) Anyway Dodgeson is the asshole from the first bok that gets Nedry to steal the ebryos. He and two others go to the island because they found out it's Site B, the REAL place where Hammond made dinos for Jurassic Park. He and his buddies go and try to steal an egg from every dinosaur species on the island, since they've all broken out of their pens and are living freely.
Ian's team eventually finds Levine, he's discovered the TRex nest and has set up cameras and shit to watch how they live. They also find Sara, and something happens...can't remember what, that gets a baby TRex with a busted leg into their RV. The scene from the movie follows. They also have something called a High Hide, where they can go up into it and watch the savana of dinosaurs. This gets attacked by raptors and leads to a lot of really cool scenes.
Skipping over a whole lot, they are trying to find their way off the island, to a helipad or something, and they come accross a gas station that not even the TRexes will enter. (Levine tells the group that even when they do come in, they hurry through very quickly.) We also learn that during the night, the raptors don't come around either. It turns out to be because the fucking coolest dinosaurs in the world, the Carnotaurs, live at the gas station. These things are what washed up on shore in Costa Rica and they can change the color of their skin to match their surroundings TO A T. There's a fucking awesome scene where Thorn is stuck in a shed and there are two of them hunting him. I WANT TO SEE THIS SCENE IN A MOVIE GOD DAMMIT.

I'm not gonna spoil the end of the book, it's really fucking good. I like it better than Jurassic Park because there isn't SO MUCH science mumbo-jumbo shit in it. It's a bit more of an adventure book than JP is, but it's just as good. Everyone who hasn't read it but liked JP should read it, and if you liked the movie read the book because the movie fucking sucks ass.


damn, now i really really hate the movie. :lol
 

SteveMeister

Hang out with Steve.
WordAssassin said:
Before they sop making Jurassic Park films (Universal has the rights up to JP 6) I WANT THE FUCKING CARNOTAURS IN A MOVIE FOR FUCK'S SAKE! That was THE best part of TLW book and my little childhood dreams were SHATTERED when I went to see it and they weren't there. The Lost World movie fucking SUCKS and I HATE it more than anything because the book was so great and Spielburg fucked it up SO BAD just so he could do his "dinosaur in the city" BULLSHIT.

There's a carnotaur in JP3. It shows up when they find the Spinosaurus dung and hear the satellite phone ringing into it.
 

tmdorsey

Member
SteveMeister said:
There's a carnotaur in JP3. It shows up when they find the Spinosaurus dung and hear the satellite phone ringing into it.

I was wondering what the hell that was, I always though it was baby or adolecent T-Rex or something.
 

LakeEarth

Member
The critic quotes...

Jurassic Park 2: Revenge of the Raptors

Goldblum - "You can't hold a raptor in a closet, they're too smart!"
(newspaper slips from under the door, bumps the key out of the keyhole, paper goes in, and raptor busts out)
Old guy - "You may have us, but you'll never get off the island"
(raptor growls, then pulls out a pipe and speaks in an english accent)
Raptor - "I beg to differ. You see the other raptors and I have constructed a crude suspension bridge to Venezuela. Once there, I shall lay low and assume odd jobs under the name of Mr Pilkington... (evil) but perhaps I've said too much!"
 
SteveMeister said:
There's a carnotaur in JP3. It shows up when they find the Spinosaurus dung and hear the satellite phone ringing into it.

That isn't a Carnotaur. It was supposed to be, but ILM opted to INVENT A DINOSAUR INSTEAD. Seriously. I remember reading that that isn't even a real dinosaur that they see, but some made-up fusion of several.

Fuckers.
 
I... don't care what the script says. The dinosaur in the final movie that you can watch on DVD is not a Carnotaur. As I said before, it was SUPPOSED TO BE a Carnotaur, but ILM CHANGED THAT, they INVENTED the dinosaur that is in Jurassic Park III.

There's the fact that a friend of mine has ties to ILM and knows this, and there's the fact that it's just not a Carnotaur in the movie. Take your pick. :)

Don't mess with the Carnotaur King, pal! :p

Also, the script says the main "bad guy" dino is a Spinosaurus. This is also not the case. Sure, it looks like one, it's a lot fucking closer to being what it's supposed to be than that abomination in the shit-pile scene, but it's not. ILM changed what it looked like to make it more fearsome. There was a HUGE debate over this before the movie was even out in theatres.
 

Dead

well not really...yet
WordAssassin said:
I... don't care what the script says. The dinosaur in the final movie that you can watch on DVD is not a Carnotaur. As I said before, it was SUPPOSED TO BE a Carnotaur, but ILM CHANGED THAT, they INVENTED the dinosaur that is in Jurassic Park III.

There's the fact that a friend of mine has ties to ILM and knows this, and there's the fact that it's just not a Carnotaur in the movie. Take your pick. :)

Don't mess with the Carnotaur King, pal! :p

Also, the script says the main "bad guy" dino is a Spinosaurus. This is also not the case. Sure, it looks like one, it's a lot fucking closer to being what it's supposed to be than that abomination in the shit-pile scene, but it's not. ILM changed what it looked like to make it more fearsome. There was a HUGE debate over this before the movie was even out in theatres.
Isn't JP3s Spinosaurus a shit load larger than the real one? It was HUGE in the movie. I was a huge dino nut as a kid and I never rememberd the Spinosaurus being that gigantic...
 
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