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[cryptoadam]

You yourself are lying.

Most of what makes people think MJ was a pedo are OBJECTIVE truths:

-He himself says he loves to sleep with children

-He is weird as fuck and really messed up with an obsession with children

-He paid millions to settle a case

-The mother of "his" children admitted they never had sex and all of his alleged relationships look fake as fuck

All of this things are what makes people believe he was probably a pedo, not some documentary.

So all speculation and hersay.

And MJ was found to have plenty of heterosexual porn at his home. So wether he had sex with his wife or not, the guy liked looking at hetero porn.

If you think he is a pedo then thats your opinion. the FBI and two trials were never able to prove it. Its very possible he did molest children just as its possible he didn't until actual evidence is produced.

At least you admit that the Leaving Neverland doc didn't have any influence on believing he was a pedo or not. We can agree there.

My hill is that Wade Robson is a liar as is Jimmy. Its possible other kids did tell the truth or never came forward but I don't believe Wade or Jimmy.

 

[sendit]

Jussie Smollett thread comes to mind! Fucking morons there banned me twice now! 1st I can't remember why, possibly for going against everyone in a particular thread, then 2nd time they had no right to ban me but did it under the fact I had created another account, even though I was disagreeing with them in saying the Covington kids did nothing wrong...
Sorry, but I sometimes have a read there and it's INFURIATING how dense they truly are. I HAVE to say something, and they disagree with me and I get the boot. Fuck them. Fuck their mods and fuck their stupid bubble of bullshit. I hope they read this those fucking morons.

Lol. So you come here and have a mental break down hoping someone will agree with your opinion.

 

[Christopher]

F*ck that pedo and and all of y'all defending him. What kind of proof y'all want? A vhs tape off him raping a little boy?

As opposed to what baseless allegations?

 

[MacReady13]

Lol. So you come here and have a mental break down hoping someone will agree with your opinion.

Clearly you are from that absolute waste of a website, so maybe it's best you fuck off back there to your safe bubble and only hear the same opinions. Moron.

 

[DForce]

Just out of curiosity how are the pedo defenders downplaying the ring shopping with Safechuck that lines up perfectly with the documentary.

You're downplaying their lies and you ask us why are we downplaying him shopping a ring for Safechuck?

He was shopping that day, but he was not shopping for a ring. He bought a toy and sunglasses.

You're here calling people pedo defenders and you fail to look up facts.

 

[DForce]

You yourself are lying.

Most of what makes people think MJ was a pedo are OBJECTIVE truths:

-He himself says he loves to sleep with children

-He is weird as fuck and really messed up with an obsession with children

-He paid millions to settle a case

-The mother of "his" children admitted they never had sex and all of his alleged relationships look fake as fuck

All of this things are what makes people believe he was probably a pedo, not some documentary.

You guys want to believe he's a pedo while ignoring information that doesn't fit your narrative.

It's been stated a million times that Jackson's settlement did not prevent Jordan Chandler from testifying. Jackson wanted to postpone the civil case until AFTER the criminal case, but that was denied several times.

The evidence used against him in 1993 brought into the 2005 trail.

Jackson said he loves to share his bed, but what you fail to realize is that he said he will give them their bed while he sleeps on the floor.

It's pretty obvious that you guys are ranting without looking up basic facts regarding this case.

I asked people to give me a reason as to why these accusers are lying and no one has stepped up to the plate. lol

You guys just want to ignore the fact that these accusers are lying, but at the same time get upset when people are having a very difficult time believing their story.

 

[Chandler55]

You yourself are lying.

Most of what makes people think MJ was a pedo are OBJECTIVE truths:

-He himself says he loves to sleep with children

-He is weird as fuck and really messed up with an obsession with children

-He paid millions to settle a case

-The mother of "his" children admitted they never had sex and all of his alleged relationships look fake as fuck

All of this things are what makes people believe he was probably a pedo, not some documentary.

-sleeping with children is weird sure but it could easily be innocent as well. His bedroom was 2 stories high and 2 bathrooms
-I dont think an obsession with children is bad, it was his inspiration for music. I wouldnt get inspired by the current state of adults today, bunch of idiots out there
-he paid millions because he wanted to sing and tour, he didn't want to participate in a long dragged out trial. 22 million was a drop in the bucket for him. in retrospect he has said that was a mistake because it set the precedent for other greedy liars to sue him
-debbie was a surrogate. he kept all his relationships super private

 

[gamerMan]

Just out of curiosity how are the pedo defenders downplaying the ring shopping with Safechuck that lines up perfectly with the documentary.

I could be wrong but didn't Safechuck say they were 10 when they got "married." The boy was 12 in the video. Also, Michael didn't buy a ring on that day.

"He contends in the film that Jackson gave him the ring as part of a secret, mock wedding ceremony the two held when Jackson was 30 and Safechuck was 10." source:ABC News

This video was also already out in the public prior to the documentary. One of the most interesting things about the infamous ring scene is that it wasn't initially in the documentary. The director claimed he interviewed James for 2 days so we are led to believe that everything was filmed continuously. It was not.

People have pointed out that the furniture was completely different in that scene. This means they would have had to stop filming to change the furniture. Along with that the vegetation appears a little different. Dan Reed admitted that it was added months after the initial interview after Jimmy found the rings.

"The wedding ring was the last thing we shot with James in July 2018. He had mentioned the fact that he had the rings and he had mentioned the fact that there was a wedding in his initial interview. And then it took, you know, 18 months." source: Rollingstone

Also another strange aspect to the ring story is that James makes no mention of the rings in his lawsuit. Maybe he forgot about them but doing documentary helped jog his memory.

 

[sendit]

Clearly you are from that absolute waste of a website, so maybe it's best you fuck off back there to your safe bubble and only hear the same opinions. Moron.

Incorrect. I don't share the same views or even go near that forum. I just find it amusing that you're venting on this forum to form an agenda against opposing opinions.

 

[MacReady13]

Incorrect. I don't share the same views or even go near that forum. I just find it amusing that you're venting on this forum to form an agenda against opposing opinions.

Yep cool. No problems.

 

[Sentenza]

I could be wrong but didn't Safechuck say they were 10 when they got "married." The boy was 12 in the video. Also, Michael didn't buy a ring on that day.

Man, what a scoop. This settles it, then.
I guess this just goes to prove he's a complete liar and not that, you know, our memories tend to blend together after 30 years.

 

[DForce]

Man, what a scoop. This settles it, then.
I guess this just goes to prove he's a complete liar and not that, you know, our memories tend to blend together after 30 years.

Using memory as an excuse over and over again is not going to work.

Safechuck said he was threatened to testify even though the judge wouldn't even allow it.

You can't excuse these lies because their memory. It's like you're just having a hard time accepting facts.

 

[Days like these...]

I could be wrong but didn't Safechuck say they were 10 when they got "married." The boy was 12 in the video. Also, Michael didn't buy a ring on that day.

"He contends in the film that Jackson gave him the ring as part of a secret, mock wedding ceremony the two held when Jackson was 30 and Safechuck was 10." source:ABC News

This video was also already out in the public prior to the documentary. One of the most interesting things about the infamous ring scene is that it wasn't initially in the documentary. The director claimed he interviewed James for 2 days so we are led to believe that everything was filmed continuously. It was not.

People have pointed out that the furniture was completely different in that scene. This means they would have had to stop filming to change the furniture. Along with that the vegetation appears a little different. Dan Reed admitted that it was added months after the initial interview after Jimmy found the rings.

"The wedding ring was the last thing we shot with James in July 2018. He had mentioned the fact that he had the rings and he had mentioned the fact that there was a wedding in his initial interview. And then it took, you know, 18 months." source: Rollingstone

Also another strange aspect to the ring story is that James makes no mention of the rings in his lawsuit. Maybe he forgot about them but doing documentary helped jog his memory.

None of that negates the fact that they went ring shopping together. Pedo wacko got nervous so they didn't buy anything. Big whoop

 

[DForce]

None of that negates the fact that they went ring shopping together. Pedo wacko got nervous so they didn't buy anything. Big whoop

Where's your proof?

 

[Days like these...]

There's a video of them in the jewelry store! Wtf?

 

[Chandler55]

Man, what a scoop. This settles it, then.
I guess this just goes to prove he's a complete liar and not that, you know, our memories tend to blend together after 30 years.

funny how memory works that after 30 years these guys were able to remember every scene, what they were thinking, what michael was saying, and how they were feeling every time they were molested. Even though they insist it wasnt traumatic so it doesnt even get to use traumatic memory components.

I guess Christine Ford just had really bad memory compared to these guys, who btw I believe is a victim 100%.

 

[DForce]

There's a video of them in the jewelry store! Wtf?

They didn't buy a ring in that video.

Again, where is your proof?

A lot of you guys in here love to make claims without evidence to back it up.

 

[Days like these...]

They were shopping for a ring as a gift to Safechuck for Michael getting to fuck him in the ass! You pedo defender. They didn't buy it that day but it corroborates Safechucks story.

 

[Days like these...]

There could be a video of that sick fuck cream pieing little boys and you'd still defend him you pedo defender.

 

[Chandler55]

another inconsistency found...



Safechuck claims he had sex with MJ at the train station, problem is the train station wasnt built until 1993. but in the lawsuit he claims the abuse was from 88 to 92

the train driver says the construction was done mid 93

 

[cryptoadam]

There could be a video of that sick fuck cream pieing little boys and you'd still defend him you pedo defender.

I would accept a video, maybe pictures, or any other type of physical evidence. FBI raided MJ's place and didn't find anything, and MJ wasn't there so don't say he hid everything, they even went over the bounds of their warrent and took things they shouldn't have.

And please don't talk about pedo books, that has been debunked.

Bring real evidence and people will believe it. Balls in your court.

 

[DForce]

They were shopping for a ring as a gift to Safechuck for Michael getting to fuck him in the ass! You pedo defender. They didn't buy it that day but it corroborates Safechucks story.

Now they didn't buy it that day? LOL.

Dude, your claims are getting more ridiculous. Face it, you have no proof that he's a pedo and you're trying to push your bs narrative on others.

 

[DForce]

another inconsistency found...



Safechuck claims he had sex with MJ at the train station, problem is the train station wasnt built until 1993. but in the lawsuit he claims the abuse was from 88 to 92

the train driver says the construction was done mid 93

I just saw this on twitter, too.. I'm trying to confirm it by looking for James' exact words in the documentary.

 

[DForce]

Someone uploaded the video. So yeah, James Safechuck was lying about being molested there.

 

[Days like these...]

Now they didn't buy it that day? LOL.

Dude, your claims are getting more ridiculous. Face it, you have no proof that he's a pedo and you're trying to push your bs narrative on others.

They went shopping for a ring you can't deny that. Pedo got spooked because he was recognized so they left with out buying anything. The only thing ridiculous is your defense of that sick fuck pedo.

 

[DForce]

They went shopping for a ring you can't deny that. Pedo got spooked because he was recognized so they left with out buying anything. The only thing ridiculous is your defense of that sick fuck pedo.

I'm still waiting for proof. Looks like you're upset that you're trying to pass off accusations and assumptions as facts.

 

[Days like these...]

I'm upset that people like you would rather defend a monster because you like Billie Jean or whatever. I have news for you I was a big fan too but I hope he's buring in hell now. You're fighting a losing battle history will see that sick fuck for the monster he was.

I'm bored so I'll entertain your nonsense. Explain Safechucks box of rings.

 

[sol_bad]

What some of you refuse to understand is that abuse victims are so messed up due to the abuse that they are conflicted about the abuser going so far as to try and protect their abuser. These kids were groomed and genuinely thought that sick fuck cared for them. They didn't know any better.

I'm going to go to the media and tell them you raped me 25 years ago. I am reporting it just now because I just realised it was rape.
I said it so it must be true.

 

[Tesseract]

at this point all you can do is assume his innocence since he's dead and the available evidence is weak

eye witness testimony is the weakest form of scientific evidence

btw days like these... said groomed and molested me 20 years ago

 

[Days like these...]

I'm going to go to the media and tell them you raped me 25 years ago. I am reporting it just now because I just realised it was rape.
I said it so it must be true.

Go right ahead, I don't know you, I didn't groom you, I didn't sleep in bed with you. I didn't buy you rings as a reward for fucking you in the ass.

 

[sol_bad]

Go right ahead, I don't know you, I didn't groom you, I didn't sleep in bed with you. I didn't buy you rings as a reward for fucking you in the ass.

Say what you want. You can't prove you didn't rape me......

 

[DForce]

I'm upset that people like you would rather defend a monster because you like Billie Jean or whatever. I have news for you I was a big fan too but I hope he's buring in hell now. You're fighting a losing battle history will see that sick fuck for the monster he was.

I'm bored so I'll entertain your nonsense. Explain Safechucks box of rings.

It's not nonsense. You just simply lack common sense.

And fighting a losing battle?

There's proof that these two have lied about their stories, but there's no proof they were molested by Michael Jackson. So, the only one fighting a losing battle is YOU because I'm actually using facts and you're not.

Anyone can create a story and claim they were wedding rings, and it's another thing to prove it.

Do you realize that video doesn't support James' claim?

Tell me, when did James say MJ bought him a wedding ring? I'll wait.

 

[Days like these...]

Say what you want. You can't prove you didn't rape me......

Lol, you guys are almost as sick as that pedo. Go for it.

 

[DForce]

Lol, you guys are almost as sick as that pedo. Go for it.

How come you go silent when I point out James Safechuck lies?

When did James Safechuck say he was given a wedding ring?

 

[Days like these...]

How come you go silent when I point out James Safechuck lies?

When did James Safechuck say he was given a wedding ring?

In the documentary! Did you even watch it?

 

[DForce]

In the documentary! Did you even watch it?

I watched it. I'm asking you. If you don't know, then don't beat around the bush and just say, "go watch the documentary."
It's obvious you haven't done any research and you're just ignoring all the lies that they have told.

 

[sol_bad]

Lol, you guys are almost as sick as that pedo. Go for it.

My point is, it's really silly to just blindly believe what these 2 idiots and the previous idiots are saying and accusing him of. If you believe them, it means that anyone can accuse anyone and you must believe them simply because they said it happened. Jackson must have stayed with hundreds upon hundreds of kids and out of those hundreds only 4 or 5 have stepped forward with accusations. Pretty much all of them needing/wanting monetary gain.

If you have ignored any and all of the videos posted in this thread you should spend the 4-5 hours watching them.
It's already proven that the media absolutely manipulated everyone back in the 2005 trial. They reported everything the prosecution said and missed everything on the defence side. So if you stopped supporting him in 2005 you should go back and look at the evidence from back than first of all.

 

[Days like these...]

I watched it. I'm asking you. If you don't know, then don't beat around the bush and just say, "go watch the documentary."
It's obvious you haven't done any research and you're just ignoring all the lies that they have told.

I do know don't try and spin this. You asked when he said it (about the rings) and I replied in the documentary. That's when he said it. How is that beating around the bush? I doubt you watched the documentary because you wouldn't be asking when he said it, but that's neither here nor there.

I'm really sorry that your world is crashing down around you because your idol was a sick fuck pedo monster but that's life.

 

[Falcs]

Say what you want. You can't prove you didn't rape me......

Fukin' lol!

I do know don't try and spin this. You asked when he said it (about the rings) and I replied in the documentary. That's where he said it. How is that beating around the bush? I doubt you watched the documentary because you wouldn't be asking when he said it, but that's neither here nor there.

I'm really sorry that your world is crashing down around you because your idol was a sick fuck pedo monster but that's life.

Ok, going by your logic I make the following claim:

Michael Jackson molested me in 1996 when I was 11 years old.
My proof? Well, I live in Australia, and this video proves that he was here in 1996.

 

[DForce]

I do know don't try and spin this. You asked when he said it (about the rings) and I replied in the documentary. That's where he said it. How is that beating around the bush? I doubt you watched the documentary because you wouldn't be asking when he said it, but that's neither here nor there.

I'm really sorry that your world is crashing down around you because your idol was a sick fuck pedo monster but that's life.

When he pulled out the wedding ring, he didn't say when.

He claimed he was given rings for providing Jackson sexual favors.

So the fact that you claim to have said he mentioned it in the documentary is a lie.


Based on Jackson's own words, he willingly gave out gifts to men and children. To say hew as given this stuff of sexual favors or a wedding ceremony is not PROOF it's what he's claiming. You cannot say it happened when there are NO FACTS to prove your claim.

 

[gamerMan]

I'm bored so I'll entertain your nonsense. Explain Safechucks box of rings.

I'm surprised he would keep those rings but maybe that's part of the healing process. Did Michael buy them for him or his mom? Were they given as gifts? Safechuck claims that they were "married." Do we have any photos of Safechuck wearing the rings as a child when he was with Michael? I didn't see them in the documentary.

Safechuck also says that they exchanged vows. Somehow he has managed to hold onto the rings but he doesn't have the vows, which would corroborate his story of them being married. These guys have all these random pictures and items, but when it comes to producing the corroborating evidence, they suddenly don't have them. It's just testimony.

They could be telling the truth but why are there huge inconsistencies in their testimony? With some of their claims, they would need a time machine to match their timeline. Maybe they used the train in Neverland to time travel.

If Kermit the Frog came out tomorrow and said Michael Jackson molested him would you believe him? Here are the receipts:

What about two grandmas?

Angry Joe, who believes MJ is innocent, talked about how he's a big target for false allegations and he can only imagine how big a target Michael Jackson would be. And it's not like this hasn't happened before.

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[Shodan09]

I'm upset that people like you would rather defend a monster because you like Billie Jean or whatever. I have news for you I was a big fan too but I hope he's buring in hell now. You're fighting a losing battle history will see that sick fuck for the monster he was.

I'm bored so I'll entertain your nonsense. Explain Safechucks box of rings.

The box of rings shown during shots that were added in months later in a reshoot and thus could have come from absolutely anywhere?

There's no evidence connecting those rings shown in the movie to Michael Jackson at all.

 

[WingM@n]

Safechuck claims he was abused Above the train station.. But it wasn't built yet....

 

[Days like these...]

Say what you want. You can't prove you didn't rape me......

Like I said go for it. I'll take everything you have in a libel suit. Don't let your mouth write a check your ass can't cash you sick pedo fuck defender.

 

[mckmas8808]

at this point all you can do is assume his innocence since he's dead and the available evidence is weak

eye witness testimony is the weakest form of scientific evidence

btw days like these... said groomed and molested me 20 years ago

We don't have to assume his innocence at all. I assume he's guilty given what we've heard and seen from him when he was alive.

 

[LMJ]

Oh come on mckmas8808 , we both know that Tesseract is referring to the law here...and yeah innocent until proven guilty...

As for D Days like these... , I understand you're passionate about this topic, but lay off the personal attacks friend, (pedo defender, sick fuck pedo defender) it's not helping your debate...

Makes your argument stronger to not jump to emotional slams, more importantly it will keep you on the board longer as they tolerate alot here, but insults are a one way ticket to a ban Dont want anyone (sans trolls) leaving...

 

[Days like these...]

Really telling that you didn't even mention the guy who said he'd accuse me of rape. I don't want to be banned but this is a hill I'm willing to die on.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Also BBC is banning MJ songs as this documentary circulates: http://www.justjared.com/2019/03/03...usic-following-leaving-neverland-documentary/

Wow Vost is banned? Well...

 

[Tesseract]

We don't have to assume his innocence at all. I assume he's guilty given what we've heard and seen from him when he was alive.

of course you're allowed to believe what you want

the presumption of innocence is important to me, inside and outside the court room

 

[DForce]

People in here who believe MJ is a pedo haven't commented on the lies told by James Safechuck and Wade Robson.

This is really telling.

Real victims don't need to lie about their story.