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[Brizzady]

We want more than the words of 2 proven liars based on a 1 sided manipulative documentary.

I could respect Dan Reed if he actually did some investigation for this doc, but instead he just let Safechuk and Robson and their families spew whatever they wanted un contested for 4 hours straight.

The idiocy of this statement is so hilarious. If you in fact believe they lied, then you also believe Michael raped them.

 

[cryptoadam]

The idiocy of this statement is so hilarious. If you in fact believe they lied, then you also believe Michael raped them.

Why is it idoicy to want more than a 1 sided documentary with no actual evidence then just the words of guys who stories are full of holes?

I wont die on the MJ isn't a molester hill, but Wade is a liar and Jimmy isn't too far behind him. And they could be telling the truth but I don't for a minute buy that they lived their entire adult lifes not knowing that all the sex they had with MJ was abuse. And then magically when someone told them if they didn't "understand" it they can reset the clock and the statue of limitations don't apply anymore.

 

[Tesseract]

wait, wade was in his twenties when he gave his star testimony in support of mj?

FUCK HIM

 

[cryptoadam]

wait, wade was in his twenties when he gave his star testimony in support of mj?

FUCK HIM

Yes, and after that he kept denying anything to media. Wade though minor was still a celebrity and you can find interviews with him where he denies anything after the 2005 trial.

His sister and his mother also testified in defense of MJ as well.

 

[Days like these...]

What some of you refuse to understand is that abuse victims are so messed up due to the abuse that they are conflicted about the abuser going so far as to try and protect their abuser. These kids were groomed and genuinely thought that sick fuck cared for them. They didn't know any better.

 

[DForce]

The idiocy of this statement is so hilarious. If you in fact believe they lied, then you also believe Michael raped them.

They did lie.

I find it odd that people who are convinced that MJ is a pedo have yet to respond to proof that both Wade and James Safechuck have lied multiple times.

You didn't even respond to my post after it was clear that you didn't know what you were talking about.

You can believe their stories all you want, but trying to defend their lies is just hilarious.

 

[cryptoadam]

What some of you refuse to understand is that abuse victims are so messed up due to the abuse that they are conflicted about the abuser going so far as to try and protect their abuser. These kids were groomed and genuinely thought that sick fuck cared for them. They didn't know any better.

Sorry I don't buy that story. Both of them as full grown adults up to the age of 30+ with all the stuff going around about MJ, the jokes of him being a pedo, the 2005 trial, that they never onced realized hey what he did to me was molestation? As kids I 100% can understand that, but as grown men? Come on son.

When everyone in the media was going full press about MJ, about him diddling kids, while Wade watched the 2005 trial, he never made the connection hey when MJ was jacking me off and making me suck his dick that was abuse? If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

All though it is possible that MJ is the best groomer out there, since he put Wade on the stand as his FIRST defense witness in his 2005 trial. MJ was so assured in his mental control over 22 year old Wade (someone who he stopped spending a lot of time with 7 or 8 years earleir) that he would risk his entire trial and freedom on Wade. Wade went through hours of cross examination from the prosecution, but MJ was willing to risk it all by putting a guy on the stand who he abused for 7 years. And then asking his family to testify as well.

I guess that makes complete sense that MJ would risk it all. Maculy Culkin testified at that trial as well, that would of probably been enough for MJ. But I guess he likes to live life on the edge and decided to roll the dice on Wade knowing that his Jedi mind control was so strong that Wade would lie under oath and then withstand the prosections cross examination.

 

[DForce]

What some of you refuse to understand is that abuse victims are so messed up due to the abuse that they are conflicted about the abuser going so far as to try and protect their abuser. These kids were groomed and genuinely thought that sick fuck cared for them. They didn't know any better.

There's no proof that they were abused, but we do have proof that they're liars.

If they were truly abused, then they wouldn't need to make up a false story.

 

[Days like these...]

What I'm saying is they could have been abused and lied about not being abused. It's not uncommon. I'd rather believe them than a man who openly admitted to sleeping with strange boys in his bed, settled out of court to the tune of millions with other accusers, had a pedo book, porn and the hallway to his bedroom booby trapped with all sorts of cameras and alarms.

 

[DForce]

What I'm saying is they could have been abused and lied about not being abused. It's not uncommon. I'd rather believe them than a man who openly admitted to sleeping with strange boys in his bed, settled out of court to the tune of millions with other accusers, had a pedo book, porn and the hallway to his bedroom booby trapped with all sorts of cameras and alarms.

This is why you look up facts instead of just listening to one side of the story.

MJ never had pedo books.

They considered these two books child pornogry because they have a few images of naked children (or images of topless boys).

https://www.amazon.com/dp/8495273349/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/8881584042/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Jackson's insurance company and lawyers made him settle, but Chandler was still able to testify if the brought criminal charges against Michael. MJ laways tried to delay the civil trial until after the criminal trial, but they were denied several times.

Booby trapped bedroom?

No.

It's understandable that Jackson would have alarm systems in his house when a female fan broke into his house and hid in his closet. He also believed people were out to kill him. Why would someone have a trap door? Hiding from the police? No, they would easily find him. Hiding from an intruder? Yes.


There's so much evidence that these accusers wanted money and it's an undeniable fact.

 

[Days like these...]

This is why you look up facts instead of just listening to one side of the story.

MJ never had pedo books.

They considered these two books child pornogry because they have a few images of naked children (or images of topless boys).

https://www.amazon.com/dp/8495273349/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/8881584042/?tag=neogaf0e-20


Jackson's insurance company and lawyers made him settle, but Chandler was still able to testify if the brought criminal charges against Michael. MJ laways tried to delay the civil trial until after the criminal trial, but they were denied several times.

Booby trapped bedroom?

No.

It's understandable that Jackson would have alarm systems in his house when a female fan broke into his house and hid in his closet. He also believed people were out to kill him. Why would someone have a trap door? Hiding from the police? No, they would easily find him. Hiding from an intruder? Yes.


There's so much evidence that these accusers wanted money and it's an undeniable fact.

I was huge MJ fan as a kid I even knew how to moonwalk but I cancelled him way before this documentary. I'd rather believe the victims. You believe what you want it's on you and your conscience.

 

[DForce]

I was huge MJ fan as a kid I even knew how to moonwalk but I cancelled him way before this documentary. I'd rather believe the victims. You believe what you want it's on you and your conscience.

You said we refuse to understand so called abuse victims.


Real victims don't need to make up false stories.

 

[gamerMan]

F*ck that pedo and and all of y'all defending him. What kind of proof y'all want? A vhs tape off him raping a little boy?

How about consistency and corroborating evidence? I understand that you feel strongly about this. Let's say it did happen. Think about the incredible nature of their testimony and the corroborating evidence it would produce. They say that Michael Jackson molested them 100s of times in every room of Neverland Ranch. We have to presume he did this with a lot of boys. Safechuck says that Michael would have sex with him and then play with toys and in the arcade. Sex and play would blend. Not only that, Michael anally penetrated them.

So here is the scenario, Jackson is jizzing out all over the place in every room, anally penetrating the kids, and fucking these kids every fucking day while everybody is around including his producers, sick and disadvantaged kids, and his staff. 100s of times with each kid.

Yet, there is no corroborating evidence or even other boys to back him up. The FBI comes in during the same time period of these allegations and finds nothing. At the very least, you would expect more boys to come out. Instead you see stories like this:





which states:

"There were always so many people at Neverland that it would have been absolutely impossible for Michael to have "lured" boys to his room without anyone noticing it. "

How dangerous was Michael's behavior? Wade describes that one time Michael anally penetrated him. Michael forgot to get rid of the receipts and immediately calls Wade to dispose of his underwear. Lo and behold, there is blood in the underwear.

In this incredible scenario, I'm not sure when Michael had time to be Michael Jackson since he spent most of his time jacking off with kids and would have to spend an equal amount of time cleaning it all up. Now multiply that scenario with hundreds of boys.

All the while he's fucking these boys, he's visiting the sick, burned , and disadvantaged children in Children's hospitals trying to groom the world with his sick agenda.. Pretty, fucking incredible story if you ask me.

 

[Sentenza]

Jesus Christ, some of the arguments against "proven liars" are as embarrassing as you could get.

"He said he got the original Thriller jacket, but the original is in a museum!!!!". Maybe he just thought it was because Jackson lied about it?
"Wade dated a girl in the Jackson family at some point in his adolescence". So? How is that relevant, and in what way it factually disproves any of his claims?
"He said this thing happened in this year, but it was probably another year?". SO FUCKING WHAT? I remember plenty of episodes of my infancy in great detail but fuck me sideways if I could ever tell you with any sort of accuracy in what year they occurred, exactly. And I can mix the order of some of them constantly.
I bet the same goes for most of you.

Some of you people are fucking delusional.

 

[Thephantomknight1776]

(HBO Pic)​

I loved MJ music and feel fucked up for laughing but the spoof on smooth criminal is fucking hilarious


As Micheal came into the window
It was the sound of a crescendo
He came into His apartment
He abused him on the carpet
he ran underneath the table
There were wedding vows, he was unable
So he ran into the bedroom
he was struck down, it was his doom
James, are you ok?
So, James are you ok
Are you ok, James
James, are you ok?
So, James are you ok
Are you ok, James
James, are you ok?
So, James are you ok?
Are you ok, James?
James, are you ok?

You've been hit by
You've struck hit by
A sick criminal!

No but seriously, this guys story seems to match up from some previous statements, and they put him in the new documentary based on it. Suck that this guy was manipulated, I can kind of see why, he was ten and didn't understand the world, Michael was this big thing (this was post skin bleaching also) and was at the time the biggest pop singer, maybe even the biggest musician at the time as he didn't really start falling until the 90's.

But the wedding thing is very bizarre.

 

[Days like these...]

You said we refuse to understand so called abuse victims.


Real victims don't need to make up false stories.

Ok, I see you have an agenda. Go fuck yourself you pedo defender .

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/style/domestic-sexual-abuse-relationships-abuser.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/get-hardy/201502/victims-sexual-abuse

 

[Tygeezy]

Regardless of all this lack or presence of proof talk, he's literally on tape buying a ring in disguise with a 10 year old.

OJ Simpson was found innocent, that doesn't mean he didn't do it.

OJ might have been found guilty if cops hadn't been caught and admitting to planting evidence and if blood didn't go missing from the labs.

 

[FStubbs]

There's no evidence that proves Jackson was not a pedophile.

Fallacy. There's no evidence that proves YOU aren't a pedophile either.

You can't prove the negative.

 

[DForce]

Ok, I see you have an agenda. Go fuck yourself you pedo defender .

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/style/domestic-sexual-abuse-relationships-abuser.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/get-hardy/201502/victims-sexual-abuse

I see that you call people pedo defenders with no proof. Hope you don't serve on a jury and ignore facts when the accused are actually innocent.

 

[DForce]

Fallacy. There's no evidence that proves YOU aren't a pedophile either.

You can't prove the negative.

And in trial, their credibility is attacked. If they're lying about 20 other parts of their story, then it only hurts their credibility and that means people are going o believe it's very likely that they're making the entire story up.

Real victims wouldn't have to lie.

 

[DForce]

Jesus Christ, some of the arguments against "proven liars" are as embarrassing as you could get.

"He said he got the original Thriller jacket, but the original is in a museum!!!!". Maybe he just thought it was because Jackson lied about it?
"Wade dated a girl in the Jackson family at some point in his adolescence". So? How is that relevant, and in what way it factually disproves any of his claims?
"He said this thing happened in this year, but it was probably another year?". SO FUCKING WHAT? I remember plenty of episodes of my infancy in great detail but fuck me sideways if I could ever tell you with any sort of accuracy in what year they occurred, exactly. And I can mix the order of some of them constantly.
I bet the same goes for most of you.

Some of you people are fucking delusional.

Use common sense.

If James said he was molested after a Bad tour and flew to another state to be molested by MJ, then that event never happened.

This means all of this never happened.

- Getting on the plane to visit Michael Jackson
- Staying in a hotel with Michael Jackson
- Molestation during those days never happened.
- Jackson was somewhere else and not with James Safechuck on these alleged dates
- He never went to New York during that alleged event.


You guys can discredit information if you want, but these are some big lies that they're telling.


You can deny the fact that Wade's mother told him she has different versions of his story that will best benefit him.

Yes, those are huge lies, and only people in denial would put their full trust in Wade and James story right now.

 

[gamerMan]

What I'm saying is they could have been abused and lied about not being abused. It's not uncommon. I'd rather believe them than a man who openly admitted to sleeping with strange boys in his bed, settled out of court to the tune of millions with other accusers, had a pedo book, porn and the hallway to his bedroom booby trapped with all sorts of cameras and alarms.

It seems everybody tries to explain the inconsistencies away with "grooming." Explain this one: Wade Robson comes out with his accusations in 2013 and Joy Robson, his mom, is liking Facebook posts on MJ in 2015. After people find out and post it on Twitter, she is going through and unliking all of them and making her profile private. Is that also part of the "grooming" behavior?

 

[Chandler55]

It seems everybody tries to explain the inconsistencies away with "grooming." Explain this one: Wade Robson comes out with his accusations in 2013 and Joy Robson, his mom, is liking Facebook posts on MJ in 2015. After people find out and post it on Twitter, she is going through and unliking all of them and making her profile private. Is that also part of the "grooming" behavior?

thats pretty damning.

 

[Airola]

I'd rather believe them than a man who openly admitted to sleeping with strange boys in his bed

Did he even ever admit to sleeping with them in the same bed?

In the infamous interview with Gavin who later accused him in 2005 Michael even says he sleeped on the floor.
Also, his bedroom is almost the size of a normal small house. It has two floors and several bathrooms.

 

[Paulxo87]

Did he even ever admit to sleeping with them in the same bed?

In the infamous interview with Gavin who later accused him in 2005 Michael even says he sleeped on the floor.
Also, his bedroom is almost the size of a normal small house. It has two floors and several bathrooms.

He admitted this on several occasions even on camera in an interview

 

[Freedom Gate Co.]

A lot of people don't look at this from both angles.

One one end yes, he has always been odd behind the scenes, took heavy drugs, and possibly did pedo the kids, inviting them to sleep overs and dressing in very eww attire.

At the same time he could easily be innocent. He was raised by an ass, reality was removed from his life just a hollow bubble, which may have resulted in him being mentally capped at age 12, which would explain the lack of social interaction outside of certain venues, the childish behavior, and him doing many strange things most adults wouldn't do, including sleeping with children he don't know.

Most people look at this from the first lens but forget that Michael was basically a controlled brainwashed object for most of his life trapped in a box. Add drugs on top of that it's clear what would happen.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

He is dead people.

 

[Shodan09]

It seems everybody tries to explain the inconsistencies away with "grooming." Explain this one: Wade Robson comes out with his accusations in 2013 and Joy Robson, his mom, is liking Facebook posts on MJ in 2015. After people find out and post it on Twitter, she is going through and unliking all of them and making her profile private. Is that also part of the "grooming" behavior?

Bloody hell, the whole family are in on it. To think there's anything to their claims other than the desire for money at this point is just willful ignorance.

I assume they have to keep up the pretence of being a 'destroyed family' until their ongoing case against the estate is settled.

 

[cryptoadam]

Some interesting tidbits about Wades case and his testimony.

The guy has changed his story multiple times, perjured himself, and had 2 book drafts he tried to sell.

 

[funkygunther]

Has anyone interviewed Bubbles? That chimp would’ve seen it all. Yeah, he’s pretty much a geriatric now but I reckon he could remember like it was yesterday.

 

[Airola]

Has anyone interviewed Bubbles? That chimp would’ve seen it all. Yeah, he’s pretty much a geriatric now but I reckon he could remember like it was yesterday.

Bubbles punched Michael a looooong time ago and he ditched the monkey immediately, maybe even before any alleged incidents have happened.

If anyone would interview Bubbles I'd say he would probably accuse Michael of diddling him too. People who've been ditched by Michael tend to do that so why not monkeys too. Would probably say he punched Michael solely because of it.

 

[funkygunther]

Bubbles punched Michael a looooong time ago and he ditched the monkey immediately, maybe even before any alleged incidents have happened.

If anyone would interview Bubbles I'd say he would probably accuse Michael of diddling him too. People who've been ditched by Michael tend to do that so why not monkeys too. Would probably say he punched Michael solely because of it.

When I was in school as a young lad there would be rumours of Wacko Jacko, as he was known back then probably due to his profiency wielding a massive weapon, engaging in fellatious activity with Bubbles, alongside his numerous paedo tendencies. Of course, nothing substantive, which is why I would like to hear from the ape witness.

 

[bitbydeath]

where was this kid’s parents during thie time he was spending multiple nights together with MJ?

Exactly. MJ is dead but if anyone should be locked up or charged then it should be the parents as they were obviously selling their kid to him for money. Even if nothing partook between the two the parents have shown neglect.

 

[DForce]

Some interesting tidbits about Wades case and his testimony.

The guy has changed his story multiple times, perjured himself, and had 2 book drafts he tried to sell.

And people are still 100% convinced that they're telling the truth. People are finding out new lies or contradictions in the documentary, but people who believe MJ is a pedo are ignoring it.

 

[cryptoadam]

And people are still 100% convinced that they're telling the truth. People are finding out new lies or contradictions in the documentary, but people who believe MJ is a pedo are ignoring it.

This is a long watch and is not about the doc, but about the 2005 trial.

They go really in depth on the absurdity of it. Its a long listen hearing 2 guys yammer on about it, but it provides some interesting background on other charges of this supposed serial pedophile.

Wade is lying and has been proven to lie. The guy even wrote that MJ was "pure goodness" in MJ's Opus book. Jimmy is a long for the ride. But if you make a 1 sided documentary with drone shots and music q's its easy to fool people. Problem is that the initial lie gets believed and once the facts come out no one cares they just have that initial lie.

I think what is interesting is to the general public they think the documentary is some new thing. Its some untold story of MJ abuse that has been hidden away and Dan Reed is finally exposing it to everyone. But in reality this is a 6 year old story. Wade has done TV interviews about it over that time, filed court cases, tried to sell a book. None of what Wade and Jimmy are saying is anything new, its just garbage wrapped in a nice package. But most people think holy shit this is a revelation some unknown bombshell with brand new information.

 

[Kenpachii]

Why does the family not sue them?

 

[gamerMan]

Some interesting tidbits about Wades case and his testimony.

The guy has changed his story multiple times, perjured himself, and had 2 book drafts he tried to sell.

Here are some more tibits from Journalists.

-Wade and Jimmy have been suing Jackon's estate for 6 years in hope of securing hundreds of millions of dollars. The lawsuits have been thrown out twice.
- Once the case was thrown out based on statute of limitations, Wade Robson lied under oath.
-Wade was forced to release his emails. He was looking up tabloid stories on MJ and used them in court.
-The judge stated no rational juror could believe him.
-Prior acts from the Jordy Chandler case(Jackson paid him 20 million) were brought into the 2005 molestation trial. Despite this, jury found MJ innocent.
-MJ was under FBI surveillance between 1993 and 1994 and separately between 2004 and 2005 . He was acquitted of all charges. https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson
-At 22, Wade Robson was put on the stand as the first defense witness. If MJ is a criminal mastermind, he would be incredibly silly to put Robson on the stand.
-Wade's testimony only shifts immediately after Wade loses out on the Cirque Du Soleil Michael Jackson One show.
-If Wade Robson is to be believed with ZERO proof, ZERO push back, and ZERO skepticism, nobody can defend themselves.

 

[cryptoadam]

Here are some more tibits from Journalists.

-Wade and Jimmy have been suing Jackon's estate for 6 years in hope of securing hundreds of millions of dollars. The lawsuits have been thrown out twice.
- Once the case was thrown out based on statute of limitations, Wade Robson lied under oath.
-Wade was forced to release his emails. He was looking up tabloid stories on MJ and used them in court.
-The judge stated no rational juror could believe him.
-Prior acts from the Jordy Chandler case(Jackson paid him 20 million) were brought into the 2005 molestation trial. Despite this, jury found MJ innocent.
-MJ was under FBI surveillance between 1993 and 1994 and separately between 2004 and 2005 . He was acquitted of all charges. https://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson
-At 22, Wade Robson was put on the stand as the first defense witness. If MJ is a criminal mastermind, he would be incredibly silly to put Robson on the stand.
-Wade's testimony only shifts immediately after Wade loses out on the Cirque Du Soleil Michael Jackson One show.
-If Wade Robson is to be believed with ZERO proof, ZERO push back, and ZERO skepticism, nobody can defend themselves.

The bolded to me is really huge. The whole doc and those who believe it try to paint Jackson as some sort of groomer and everything he did was grooming even the parents. Well then MJ must be the greatest groomer in the world because he would have to be a giant idiot to put a kid he molested for 7 years over and over again on the stand.

Tom Mesmner, MJ's lawyer has discussed this. He said he interviewed Wade extensively and that Wade withstood a very tough cross examination from the prosecution and never changed his story.

So we have to think that MJ was so sure in his mind control powers, that he felt he could control a 22 year old Wade not only as his 1st defense witness but under cross examination. MJ basically risked his entire life and legacy and put it on the shoulders on someone he molested mulitple times. MJ's Lawyer would of simply not called him if he didn't feel he was strong enough. But nope he was the 1st witness.

Why in the hell would MJ put Wade on the stand if he molested him over and over again in a trial about molestation. All it would take is a few tough questions from the prosecution and MJ could of destroyed his entire life. And its not like he didn't have other people who could testify for him.

But most will just brush it off and say MJ had super magic powers that made Wade lie for 20 years of his life and his entire family to lie under oath as well. So they all lied because they wanted to stay on that sweet sweet Jackson gravy train, they lied for money? But now they aren't lieing for money? Ya sure.

 

[gamerMan]

But most will just brush it off and say MJ had super magic powers that made Wade lie for 20 years of his life and his entire family to lie under oath as well. So they all lied because they wanted to stay on that sweet sweet Jackson gravy train, they lied for money? But now they aren't lieing for money? Ya sure.

It's incredibly frustrating. Unfortunately, at this point no amount of evidence or rational thinking will convince people that Wade Robson and Safechuck are lying. In the METOO era, we are not allowed to label accusers liars even when there is an incredible amount of evidence for doing so. It's just the perfect time for Wade Robson and Safechuck to tell their story.

Once Oprah put her stamp of approval on this, the rest was history. Honestly, it reminds me of the Emmett Till lynching. Hopefully, in a couple years, people will realize what a bullshit documentary this was. Also, the whole grooming thing is utter bullshit. Michael was one of the biggest humanitarians on Earth. Michael gave gifts to everybody and didn't want any recognition from it. Here is just one example:

 

[Days like these...]

It's incredibly frustrating. Unfortunately, at this point no amount of evidence or rational thinking will convince people that Wade Robson and Safechuck are lying. In the METOO era, we are not allowed to label accusers liars even when there is an incredible amount of evidence for doing so. It's just the perfect time for Wade Robson and Safechuck to tell their story.

Once Oprah put her stamp of approval on this, the rest was history. Honestly, it reminds me of the Emmett Till lynching. Hopefully, in a couple years, people will realize what a bullshit documentary this was. Also, the whole grooming thing is utter bullshit. Michael was one of the biggest humanitarians on Earth. Michael gave gifts to everybody and didn't want any recognition from it. Here is just one example:

I can't wait till they take his awards and stop playing his music on the radio. He was fucking monster! Cry moar guy.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

I can't help but feel like confirmation bias is very strong amongst the Jackson Absolutely Did Nothing Wrong No Doubt About It One Hundred Percent Factual Totally Innocent crowd.

I've said it before, I can accept and believe the premise that Jackson never crossed the line, was just a unique person who was friends with kids as an adult. That is fine.

But that goes both ways, it is still entirely possible that bad things were happening, and that an effort was made to cover those bad things in up back when it was easier to do so, especially with young kids who were by themselves in the early 90s.

 

[cryptoadam]

I can't help but feel like confirmation bias is very strong amongst the Jackson Absolutely Did Nothing Wrong No Doubt About It One Hundred Percent Factual Totally Innocent crowd.

I've said it before, I can accept and believe the premise that Jackson never crossed the line, was just a unique person who was friends with kids as an adult. That is fine.

But that goes both ways, it is still entirely possible that bad things were happening, and that an effort was made to cover those bad things in up back when it was easier to do so, especially with young kids who were by themselves in the early 90s.

Watch the nearly 2 hour video I posted that breaks down the 2005 trial and you will see how many of these accusations that you thought were real weren't. Most of what makes people think MJ was a pedo is based of sensationalist half truths/lies that have been debunked but remained in the popular zeitgest.

And effort to cover up? Jackson did the complete opposite. He was 100% up front and honest with his behaviour towards kids. Maybe to much so and it got him in trouble. Everyone in the world knew MJ's obsession with children, he said he slept in the same room with them, he didn't hide or cover anything up. The only thing he did was defend himself against accusations.

Want to know how the media has played people. Remember that Bashir documentary where MJ said he sleeps in the same bed as kids. Well MJ had his own secret camera recording unknown to Bashir. At one point Bashir asked MJ to bring 2 dozen kids to Neverland so he can get some shots of MJ for the doc. What does Bashir do? Put a voice over saying and even still MJ is inviting children to neverland, trying to make it seem like MJ was doing something nefariouse. But it was Bashir who asked him to bring the kids, and after MJ does that Bashir pulls a rock bottom on him and pretends MJ invited the kids himself.

MJ had an obsession with children, he should of gotten the point after 93 and insulated himself from kids. He called them innocent and pure, but it was kids (and their parents) that tried to ruin his life and legacy, but he still tried to see the good in them.

 

[DForce]

I can't help but feel like confirmation bias is very strong amongst the Jackson Absolutely Did Nothing Wrong No Doubt About It One Hundred Percent Factual Totally Innocent crowd.

I've said it before, I can accept and believe the premise that Jackson never crossed the line, was just a unique person who was friends with kids as an adult. That is fine.

But that goes both ways, it is still entirely possible that bad things were happening, and that an effort was made to cover those bad things in up back when it was easier to do so, especially with young kids who were by themselves in the early 90s.

It's hard to believe people who keep lying. And it's not just the lies, there's evidence of extortion, too.

I have yet to see one person comment on the lies that both Wade Robson and James Safechuck have told. But I have seen many people call others a "pedo defender" just because they're posting evidence that these two have lied.

 

[gamerMan]

I can't wait till they take his awards and stop playing his music on the radio.

Good thinking! While they are at it, they should mute artists that are "proven" sexual offenders: Elvis Presley, Steven Tyler, Woody Allen, etc. Heck throw in Jerry Seinfeld for dating a 17 year old. Oh and take Toy Story away too. Then Boycott future Naughty Dog games based on David Ballard's sexual harassment allegations. Let's just mute everything.

I can't help but feel like confirmation bias is very strong amongst the Jackson Absolutely Did Nothing Wrong No Doubt About It One Hundred Percent Factual Totally Innocent crowd.But that goes both ways, it is still entirely possible that bad things were happening, and that an effort was made to cover those bad things in up back when it was easier to do so, especially with young kids who were by themselves in the early 90s.

When Michael was growing up, his family was very poor. His family of 11 had to sleep in a small house with 2 beds. At a young age, he was taught it was normal to share a bed. Granted, this is not the same thing as sharing a bed with random kids. No getting around it, It was wrong.

I concede he was mentally ill, which I feel everybody is ignoring and trying to look at him in the eyes of a normal 30 year old guy. He was not normal. However, this vulnerability made him Michael Jackson. It made him unique. There will never be another Michael Jackson. It's what drove him to success. He was obsessed with children. Before Jackson died, he wanted to turn Neverland into a Children's Hospital but never got a chance to fulfill his wishes.

He could have molested kids but Jackson had his day in court. He was investigated by the FBI. If we were to rely on the media, Jackson would have gone to jail in 2005. The evidence showed he was innocent. Of course, this doesn't mean he didn't do anything.

I personally don't believe the allegations, but some do and that is their right. I think we can all agree that muting somebody based on a trial by media based on a one sided documentary is wrong especially when Jackson is not here to defend himself.

It's amazing that people watch a 4 hour documentary and think they are experts on Michael Jackson's life and child abuse. if we were to believe the cherry picking in this documentary, Jackson only liked little boys but what if somebody else made a documentary and put these in it to tell a different story.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Wow. I’m honestly disappointed.

Wish we had an ignore thread feature.

Y’all keep fighting the good fight, or whatever.

 

[Sentenza]

Use common sense.

If I had to use common sense I could just end up insulting you people..
I'm trying very hard to refrain from that, and as we are on it, from engaging with start-struck apologetic groupies in complete denial, who are willing to spread vile bullshit over SEVERAL molested children rather than admitting their pop freak was a serial predator.

 

[DForce]

If I had to use common sense I could just end up insulting you people..
I'm trying very hard to refrain from that, and as we are on it, from engaging with start-struck apologetic groupies in complete denial, who are willing to spread vile bullshit over SEVERAL molested children rather than admitting their pop freak was a serial predator.

Yes, people usually turn to insults when shown facts proving these accusers wanted nothing more than a quick payday.

You can't name me one credible accuser.

Not a single one.

You're going off based accusations from known liars. That's funny because you're the one going around telling people they're in denial.

Face it. You have no answer to why they're lying. You're just going to ignore it and continue to call people delusional for believing these accusers are lying.

You're ultimate source is a bunch of debunked information, assumptions and stories from known liars.

That's it.

 

[cryptoadam]

If you believe MJ's other accusers than you have to think Wade Robson is he biggest Asshole out there.

The guy lied in court to help a pedophile screw over a kid with cancer that he molested. What a mother fucker looking right at Gavin and lying that MJ never touched his penis or touched his butt. This let Micheal get away with his molestation and allowed him to continue molesting kids.

Gavin should call him out right now and sue HIM for screwing him over at his trial. If Robson would of answered those questions honestly then Gavin probably would of won his case and MJ would be in jail and have payed for his crimes.

 

[Jon Neu]

Watch the nearly 2 hour video I posted that breaks down the 2005 trial and you will see how many of these accusations that you thought were real weren't. Most of what makes people think MJ was a pedo is based of sensationalist half truths/lies that have been debunked but remained in the popular zeitgest.

You yourself are lying.

Most of what makes people think MJ was a pedo are OBJECTIVE truths:

-He himself says he loves to sleep with children

-He is weird as fuck and really messed up with an obsession with children

-He paid millions to settle a case

-The mother of "his" children admitted they never had sex and all of his alleged relationships look fake as fuck

All of this things are what makes people believe he was probably a pedo, not some documentary.

 

[Days like these...]

Just out of curiosity how are the pedo defenders downplaying the ring shopping with Safechuck that lines up perfectly with the documentary.