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[Sentenza]

I can show you mountains of evidence that prove they're liars. But we know what you're going to do with the evidence, "It's myths. You're just a Michael Jackson defender." That's pure delusion. lol

But WHAT evidence?
Your moronic excuse of an argument about how little Jimmy twenty years later got the day of his lovely train date wrong, despise the fact that we KNOW FOR A FACT that he DID hang around Michael for years (with plenty of witnesses and video footage too) and the fact he was able to describe the places inside the residence in great detail?

What's your claim here, exactly? That the kid was never there? Is that what you are attempting to suggest when you stick like an obsessed idiot to your "evidence"?
Because that would be funny.

 

[Vicetrailia]

I think MJ is too big and loved to make people not play his music. Everyone sees him as a victim ultimately even though he is a pedophile. He's one of those people where it isn't enough because we will never understand his true condition/psyche.

 

[DForce]

But WHAT evidence?
Your moronic excuse of an argument about how little Jimmy twenty years later got the day of his lovely train date wrong, despise the fact that we KNOW FOR A FACT that he DID hang around Michael for years (with plenty of witness and video footage too) and the fact he was able to describe the places inside the residence in great detail?

What's your claim here, exactly? That the kid was never there? Is that what you are attempting to suggest when you stick like an obsessed idiot to your "evidence"?

Dude, you literally said the Train Station claim was debunked. Right after you failed to debunk it, you started saying, "It doesn't matter!"

That's now how things work. They created a specific timeline of events and every single lie they have told puts holes in their story. If he was abused in the train station in 1994, then was abusing James Safechuck in all the places around the house WHILE the FBI was investigating him.

Somehow you don't see this as a problem?

James Safechuck said he didn't know it was abuse until 2013 when he visited his therapist and that's when he revealed to his family that he was abused.


So, how did his mother know in 2009? She claimed to have been jumping up and down after she found out Michel died.

The documentary was edited. They removed parts from it after people discovered so many lies.. But you think they're all "myths."

I expect you to make more excuses as to why these facts don't matter. lol

 

[Sentenza]

You are a mental case.

 

[nush]

You are a mental case.

You're the one with the liberal use of CAPS in most posts. Driving yourself into a rage and now you've gone for the classic losing side argument in a debate by attacking the person not the points they bring up.

Go watch a Jimmy Savile documentary and see the difference between an actual no doubt at all celebrity pedo and Jackson.

 

[Days like these...]

Holy necrobumps! I was huge wacko fan loved off the wall and Thriller but I've disavowed him and his music and am no longer a fan. I believe he was pedo. I want to know why his defenders claim he loved children when in reality he loved boys especially little white boys. Where were all the little girls if in fact he loved children in general?

 

[Ash Sparrow]

The truth of MJs innocence comes with tons of evidence.

Holy necrobumps! I was huge wacko fan loved off the wall and Thriller but I've disavowed him and his music and am no longer a fan. I believe he was pedo. I want to know why his defenders claim he loved children when in reality he loved boys especially little white boys. Where were all the little girls if in fact he loved children in general?

Sigh you mean like Brandy, Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie, Kellie Parker, Kidida and Rashida Jones, Diana Ross daughters, culkin sisters

 

[Ash Sparrow]

Girls do not fit the narrative Check out this thread and maybe we can finally get past the not hanging around girls Lie https://www.lipstickalley.com/threa...-michael-jackson’s-female-kid-friends.284727/

 

[EverydayBeast]

You’d hope the MJ rumors are fake, he seemed like a fun guy, I remember hearing all these stories and you forget he’s a musician, one of the first big pop stars imagine MJ today with social media.

 

[Days like these...]

Girls do not fit the narrative Check out this thread and maybe we can finally get past the not hanging around girls Lie https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/the-invisible-children-michael-jacksons-female-kid-friends.284727/

I never knew about them. Ok, fair enough. I still think he diddled boys

 

[Batiman]

The man walked around with little boys like they were his pets. That’s all you need to know. Nobody in the world will get the “he’s a child a heart” excuse for it. It’s weird and disgusting for anyone to defend that alone. One of the only artists I’ve ever personally canceled in my life.

 

[Days like these...]

The man walked around with little boys like they were his pets. That’s all you need to know. Nobody in the world will get the “he’s a child a heart” excuse for it. It’s weird and disgusting for anyone to defend that alone. One of the only artists I’ve ever personally canceled in my life.

Yeah, me too. I mean come on Billie Jean was great but no thank you.

 

[clarky]

The man walked around with little boys like they were his pets. That’s all you need to know. Nobody in the world will get the “he’s a child a heart” excuse for it. It’s weird and disgusting for anyone to defend that alone. One of the only artists I’ve ever personally canceled in my life.

Yeah I turn the radio over when he comes on. The song "beat it" takes on a whole new meaning for me these days. Very strange individual.

 

[DForce]

The man walked around with little boys like they were his pets. That’s all you need to know. Nobody in the world will get the “he’s a child a heart” excuse for it. It’s weird and disgusting for anyone to defend that alone. One of the only artists I’ve ever personally canceled in my life.

What's weird is that you guys will run around telling how it's disgusting for anyone to defend Michael Jackson but at the same time refuse to do an ounce of research.


People have continued to post facts proving his innocence in this thread, yet people who believe MJ is a pedophile have yet to offer a real rebuttal to the facts.

That says a lot.

 

[clarky]

What's weird is that you guys will run around telling how it's disgusting for anyone to defend Michael Jackson but at the same time refuse to do an ounce of research.


People have continued to post facts proving his innocence in this thread, yet people who believe MJ is a pedophile have yet to offer a real rebuttal to the facts.

That says a lot.

Dude hung around with small boys. Alone. Even if he was innocent your just asking for speculation to run wild. The people around him complete failed him how nobody thought to say "hang on Mike maybe this is a little inappropriate" is beyond me. Or maybe as an adult he should have thought that himself.

 

[DForce]

Dude hung around with small boys. Alone. Even if he was innocent your just asking for speculation to run wild. The people around him complete failed him how nobody thought to say "hang on Mike maybe this is a little inappropriate" is beyond me. Or maybe as an adult he should have thought that himself.

And that means he's guilty? No. That doesn't prove guilt. lol.

He was also seen with the parents of these children. The parents often slept in the same bed with Michael, too. You need more than "he hung out with children" to prove he molested them.

You're using that accusation versus a mountain of evidence proving the accusers have either lied or been cohered to lie.

Evan Chandler (the father) was caught on tape orchestrating to frame Michael Jackson for molestation charges, yet you believe that's irrelevant. lol

 

[Batiman]

What's weird is that you guys will run around telling how it's disgusting for anyone to defend Michael Jackson but at the same time refuse to do an ounce of research.


People have continued to post facts proving his innocence in this thread, yet people who believe MJ is a pedophile have yet to offer a real rebuttal to the facts.

That says a lot.

Read my post. What I’m accusing him of is right in the open. I believe he’s a pedophile. And if he isn’t my point still stands. Dude walked around like a child pimp like it was normal. Would you accept anybody else abusing their power to get close to kids that are not theirs? Sexually or not. Innocent or not. Still disgusting

 

[SegaShack]

From reddit:
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Tatiana Thumbzten, main dancer of the video clip “The way you make me feel” and dancer of the BAD tour, published a book of the same name (in 1996 and 2005), where she narrates her experiences working with him. She had a crush on Jackson, encouraged mostly by Katherine Jackson (who was trying to set her son up with her), although MJ never really had a real interest in her.

In her book she says she was jealous that Jackson spent so much time with Jimmy Safechuck and not with her. She also describes how Katherine didn't like that relationship and the fact that Michael didn't spend time with his own nephews because he was focused on Jimmy. It's very revealing how a woman complains about the fact that the man she was interested in was more interested in a child than in her.

(Page 104 – 108)

https://preview.redd.it/dwdvsp2f6jr...bp&s=b9e0842e10a8d27c605a63a38140d7b728ef5244

https://preview.redd.it/bbz1fl3g6jr...bp&s=baf3d22ccf2a5858f03a45d7018ebe44b1260b6f

She repeated the same story in the 2005 documentary: Michael Jackson and The boys (Min 2:00):



It's a bit ironic how some Jackson fansites try to discredit James's testimony, making it look as if Jackson at that time was interested in Tatiana, when in fact what she says was the other way around.
And I guess everyone on the tour just imagined the kid being there, too.
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I don't really know who you guys are pretending to fool. You can keep saying bullshit to each other and patting yourselves on the back while you rabidly defend the child rapist, but you can''t expect me to buy this idiotic crap.

There are countless interviews about the things that were found in Jackson's rooms and about what the personnel working in the residence saw at time, and a lot of it was very compromising stuff.
Starting with his porn stash with the fingerprints of some of the kids all over the pages (with good rest of the "he was just an eternal kid" narrative that wanted the man completely uninterested in sexual stuff).
Or the complex setup of alarm bells leading to his bedroom.

Go through the 2005 court documents, thousands of pages. Fuck off with your youtube bullshit.

Tell me your opinion after reading the court docs.

It's all online and out in the open, public record, he was found not guilty on 14 charges.

Instead you want to give credit to the maid who stole his artwork and was fired so made up lies to sue him. Yet in court she said he was innocent and did nothing wrong (funny how liars can't keep their stories straight or realize they need to tell the truth under oath).

 

[Batiman]

And that means he's guilty? No. That doesn't prove guilt. lol.

He was also seen with the parents of these children. The parents often slept in the same bed with Michael, too. You need more than "he hung out with children" to prove he molested them.

You're using that accusation versus a mountain of evidence proving the accusers have either lied or been cohered to lie.

Evan Chandler (the father) was caught on tape orchestrating to frame Michael Jackson for molestation charges, yet you believe that's irrelevant. lol

Do you think it’s cool for a man to spoil specific children with gifts and invitations to an amusement park. On top of that sleep with them? Even if he’s innocent? Like for real. That’s cool to you?

 

[DForce]

Read my post. What I’m accusing him of is right in the open. I believe he’s a pedophile. And if he isn’t my point still stands. Dude walked around like a child pimp like it was normal. Would you accept anybody else abusing their power to get close to kids that are not theirs? Sexually or not. Innocent or not. Still disgusting

Abusing their powers to get close to kids?

Tell me, how did he abuse his powers to get to Jordan, James, Wade, Gavin, and Jordan?

Tell me.

 

[Batiman]

Abusing their powers to get close to kids?

Tell me, how did he abuse his powers to get to Jordan, James, Wade, Gavin, and Jordan?

Tell me.

Is this a serious question? The man offered these kids the world. He was a walking candy shop.

 

[SegaShack]

Abusing their powers to get close to kids?

Tell me, how did he abuse his powers to get to Jordan, James, Wade, Gavin, and Jordan?

Tell me.

You are correct.

The families were the ones abusing Michael. All the court testimony found this out. They would have their kids there and take his limo out for shopping sprees (which Michael would pay for).

They would stay on the ranch for weeks at a time and Michael was sadly too generous or naive to put a stop to things.

It's tragic to me that people took advantage of someone who was so nice and trusting.

Chris Tucker and George Lopez both had visits from Gavin Arizo and family (through Make A Wish) before he saw Michael and they warned him that the family was trouble.

 

[clarky]

And that means he's guilty? No. That doesn't prove guilt. lol.

He was also seen with the parents of these children. The parents often slept in the same bed with Michael, too. You need more than "he hung out with children" to prove he molested them.

You're using that accusation versus a mountain of evidence proving the accusers have either lied or been cohered to lie.

Evan Chandler (the father) was caught on tape orchestrating to frame Michael Jackson for molestation charges, yet you believe that's irrelevant. lol

Wow Super defensive MJ fan alert.

I Said he hung out and slept with young boys in the same bed alone. That's wildly inappropriate which ever way you look at it weather he touched them or not.

Would you let your children sleep over at Mikes house ? Because i sure as fuck wouldn't.

 

[DForce]

Is this a serious question? The man offered these kids the world. He was a walking candy shop.

You said he abused his power to get close to kids without realizing how he met these kids and their parents. Again, you're going off of assumptions.

 

[DForce]

Wow Super defensive MJ fan alert.

I Said he hung out and slept with young boys in the same bed alone. That's wildly inappropriate which ever way you look at it weather he touched them or not.

Would you let your children sleep over at Mikes house ? Because i sure as fuck wouldn't.

There's nothing super defensive. I'm just stating facts. lol.

And no I wouldn't and just because he did that, that doesn't mean he molested them. Let's not forget that he allowed kids to sleep in his bedroom, which was bigger than most people's apartments.

 

[clarky]

There's nothing super defensive. I'm just stating facts. lol.

And no I wouldn't and just because he did that, that doesn't mean he molested them. Let's not forget that he allowed kids to sleep in his bedroom, which was bigger than most people's apartments.

Why would you not let your kids sleep over with the king of pop then? Because there's a chance, no matter how small, that the dude was a pedeo.

 

[DForce]

You are correct.

The families were the ones abusing Michael. All the court testimony found this out. They would have their kids there and take his limo out for shopping sprees (which Michael would pay for).

They would stay on the ranch for weeks at a time and Michael was sadly too generous or naive to put a stop to things.

It's tragic to me that people took advantage of someone who was so nice and trusting.

Chris Tucker and George Lopez both had visits from Gavin Arizo and family (through Make A Wish) before he saw Michael and they warned him that the family was trouble.

This is from the first accuser's father.

Evan Chandler's words to his son, Jordan Chandler.

“When Jordie came strolling back from the kitchen, Evan went on the attack. “Have a seat, and listen very carefully to what I’m about to say. Do you remember when you came over to the house I told you that if you lie to me I was going to destroy Michael?” Jordie nodded that he did. “Good. Keep that in mind, because I’m going to ask you a question. Do you care about Michael?”

“Yes,” the boy answered.

‘You could say you love him, right?”

“Yes.”

“And you wouldn’t want to hurt him?”

“No.”

“Okay then, let me remind you of something. Remember I told you I bugged your bedroom?” Jordie nodded. “Well, I know everything you guys did, so you might as well admit it.”


“I’m going to give you one last chance to save Michael. If you lie to me, then I’m going to take him down in front of the whole world, and it’ll be all your fault because you’re the one person who could have saved him.”

Evan Chandler threatened to take down Michael Jackson if he didn't "confess".

This is abuse.

This is why Jordan Chandler legally separated from his parents after Evan Chandler got his money.

This stuff gets ignored because they just want to believe MJ molested him.

 

[DForce]

Why would you not let your kids sleep over with the king of pop then? Because there's a chance, no matter how small, that the dude was a pedeo.

I wouldn't let anyone. I also wouldn't assume anyone molested a kid just because they slept in the same bed with them.

 

[clarky]

I also wouldn't assume anyone molested a kid just because they slept in the same bed with them.

I would. If I found a grown man in bed with my son I would not give him the benefit of doubt, I'd cut his balls off right there and then.


Like I said earlier, hes a grown man and common sense says "maybe this might look a bit nefarious to the public, maybe my guest's should sleep in their own rooms". Then this wouldn't even be a conversation. If he's a victim of the families taking advantage of him, then this his own fault, I mean this is(was) Prince Andrew levels of stupidity if he is innocent, and he's fucking thick as bricks.

 

[Batiman]

I wouldn't let anyone. I also wouldn't assume anyone molested a kid just because they slept in the same bed with them.

Why wouldn’t you let anyone?

 

[DForce]

I would. If I found a grown man in bed with my son I would not give him the benefit of doubt, I'd cut his balls off right there and then.

So you would think someone was molested because they were sleeping in a grown man's bed. And let's say a group of kids had a sleepover (one being the man's son) all slept in his bed and the father slept on the floor. You would still accuse him of molestion.

 

[DForce]

Why wouldn’t you let anyone?

If you want to ask me questions, at least address my points first. In what way did he abuse his power to get close to the kids.

Michael was close to Jordan Chandler because he was close with his mother.

Gavin Arvizo was going through cancer and his wish was to meet Michael Jackson. The alleged abuse didn't happen until after the documentary aired. This was after Michael Jackson didn't want them around anymore and found them to be disruptive. His family stayed at his house.

Wade Robson was barely around when Michael was at the house. Wade was dating his niece and he was the one that hooked them up. Wade Robson's mother is the one that was contacting Micahel Jackson after winning a contest.

Michael Jackson spent a lot of time with James' mother. They were together often.

Tell me, how did he abuse his power to get to them?

 

[clarky]

So you would think someone was molested because they were sleeping in a grown man's bed. And let's say a group of kids had a sleepover (one being the man's son) all slept in his bed and the father slept on the floor. You would still accuse him of molestion.

There would be an element of doubt for sure, why would anyone do that? Any sane parent would never agree to that, unless they had extorsion in mind, lol. As far as I'm aware (may be I'm wrong here)MJ slept alone, in the same bed on numerous occasions with young boys. That's weird enough to put doubt in any parents mind regardless of what else has gone on.

 

[clarky]

So you would think someone was molested because they were sleeping in a grown man's bed.

Pretty much yes. I can think of zero reasons for someone to sleep in the same bed/ bedroom as visiting 13 year old boy. Zero. Especially if I'm the most famous man on the planet, I'm sorry but that's just asking for a lawsuit (at best).

 

[Ash Sparrow]

Very popular doc that has changed quite a few minds. It all starts with that first accuser, but what if he now acknowledges off the record that it was not true. Also available on Amazon Prime

 

[DForce]

There would be an element of doubt for sure, why would anyone do that? Any sane parent would never agree to that, unless they had extorsion in mind, lol. As far as I'm aware (may be I'm wrong here)MJ slept alone, in the same bed on numerous occasions with young boys. That's weird enough to put doubt in any parents mind regardless of what else has gone on.

Jackson literally had grown men and women who were friends sleeping in his bed. His bedroom was like a huge apartment and it was the hangout place for many guests. Kids and adults would often spend time there and would fall asleep anywhere. As Macaulay Culkin said during an interview that Michael Jackson would let the kids sleep in his bed while he slept in another room in his bedroom (which is the room below his "main bedroom").

So, based on the accusations of the accusers that were lies and the people other people who have slept in the same bed as him before, it's only right for me to say that he had no intentions of doing anything to them.

 

[clarky]

Jackson literally had grown men and women who were friends sleeping in his bed. His bedroom was like a huge apartment and it was the hangout place for many guests. Kids and adults would often spend time there and would fall asleep anywhere. As Macaulay Culkin said during an interview that Michael Jackson would let the kids sleep in his bed while he slept in another room in his bedroom (which is the room below his "main bedroom").

So, based on the accusations of the accusers that were lies and the people other people who have slept in the same bed as him before, it's only right for me to say that he had no intentions of doing anything to them.

So i ask you again why would you not leave your kids alone overnight with him then?

Edit: sounds like a real fun place to hang out!

 

[DForce]

So i ask you again why would you not leave your kids alone overnight with him then?

Because I wouldn't like my kids to sleep in any bed that's not mine or their own. It's something I wouldn't do as a parent. I also wouldn't let them sleep in the same bed as their adult cousin. If they did, that doesn't mean I would think they were molested. I will be protective of my kids regardless of who they are, not because I think they person abuses children.

 

[clarky]

Because I wouldn't like my kids to sleep in any bed that's not mine or their own. It's something I wouldn't do as a parent. I also wouldn't let them sleep in the same bed as their adult cousin. If they did, that doesn't mean I would think they were molested. I will be protective of my kids regardless of who they are, not because I think they person abuses children.

Exactly. Neither would anybody else either. We all protect our kids from potential danger.


Anyways that's nightshift over killed a few hours at least. FWIW I think the dude's deffo touched kids, but I think the parents of those boys are worse than the man himself. Clearly you know more about the case than me but from the shows that I've seen and the articles I've read that's my conclusion, I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.

 

[DForce]

Exactly. Neither would anybody else either. We all protect our kids from potential danger.

And the point still stands. Just because someone does it, that doesn't mean they molested anyone. So it's ridiculous to label someone a pedophile when (1) the accuser's accounts have proven to be lies and (2) just because they sleep in the same bed as Michael, that doesn't mean they were molested.

Things would obviously be different if the accuser's statements and stories weren't filled with lies or they were coached by their parents to do it.

 

[clarky]

And the point still stands. Just because someone does it, that doesn't mean they molested anyone.

No but it does put enough doubt in peoples minds to think, hey he might have. Why put yourself in that position in the first place?

 

[DForce]

No but it does put enough doubt in peoples minds to think, hey he might have. Why put yourself in that position in the first place?

That's why people have to think objectively instead of going off based on their emotions. There's documented evidence from the first accuser's father of manipulating his child to make up accusations. He was also caught on tape orchestrating the entire thing to get back at Michael Jackson and his ex-wife.

If your someone's kid was molested, do you think they should go to the police instead of meeting with the accused and demanding $20 million dollars and a movie production deal?

 

[clarky]

That's why people have to think objectively instead of going off based on their emotions. There's documented evidence from the first accuser's father of manipulating his child to make up accusations. He was also caught on tape orchestrating the entire thing to get back at Michael Jackson and his ex-wife.

If your someone's kid was molested, do you think they should go to the police instead of meeting with the accused and demanding $20 million dollars and a movie production deal?

Thats why i said the parents are the worst in all of this. Disgusting behaviour.

I can objectively say the there is no situation i can think of where it would be ok for a grown man to be in bed alone with someone elses child. Good intentions or not.

 

[Sentenza]

THE CASE AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON​

​

Documentaries:​

Leaving Neverland - HBO Now. (If you're in Australia) Tenplay.

Living With Michael Jackson by Martin Bashir

Michael Jackson's Boys Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4

Michael Jackson's Secret World

Michael Jackson & The Boy He Paid Off

Michael Jackson: What Really Happened

Louis, Martin and Michael

Why Michael Jackson Won

Michael Jackson: What Really Happened Behind the Gates of Neverland - Feburary 2019 feature on Australian television program Sunday Night. Contains interviews with former staff members, Jackson family members and previously unseen footage.

Interviews:​

Wade Robson and James Safechuck on Surviving Michael Jackson and Creating 'Leaving Neverland'

Bill Dworin, the lead investigator on the Jordie Chandler case and decades-long expert on pedophiles, confirms Jordie Chandler's drawings matched police photos of Jackson's genitalia

Former FBI agent and leading expert on child molesters, Ken Lanning, describes the traits of the male preferential child molester

Prosecutor Ron Zonen discusses Michael Jackson and Gavin Arvizo

'After Neverland' - Full interview by Oprah Winfrey with Wade Robson, James Safechuck and Dan Reed

Leaving Neverland Sundance Q&A

Latoya Jackson, Michael's sister, opens up on her brother's pedophila here, here and here.

Dr. Conrad Murray being asked if he thinks Michael Jackson was a pedophile. Skip to 10:00.

Attorney Lisa Bloom explains MJ 'cult's' denials

60 Minutes Australia interview with Michael Jackson's maid

Leaving Neverland director: 'Michael Jackson abuse devastated families' - BBC Newsnight

Michael Jackson on sharing his bed with boys, calling it a 'beautiful thing'.

Tatiana Thumbtzen (girl from the 'The Way You Make Me Feel' video, who also joined him on the 'Bad' tour as a dancer) explains what happened between her and Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson talking about "conditioning" and children. Note that in his sessions with a psychiatrist, Jordie Chandler recalled Michael using similar language on "conditioning" and levitators as a way to break down Jordan's defenses to the sexual abuse.

Michael Jackson's ex-manager, Bob Jones, discusses the inappropriate incident with Jordan Chandler at the 1993 World Music Awards

Two jurors say they regret Jackson's acquittal, claim they were bullied by the foreman and threatened with removal if they didn't succumb to pressure

The 2005 trial jury foreman, Paul Rodriguez, on acquitting Jackson: Yes, I did [think there was guilt], I thought that Michael Jackson has molested boys in the past, and probably molested this boy, but as I said, what we believe doesn't matter... the EVIDENCE has to PROVE IT."

Documents:​

Request for admission of evidence. From the Santa Barbara court website. This document outlines items that were seized by police in the 2005 case and exactly where they were found. Includes several books known to often be in the collections of pedophiles (Bill Dworin, the lead investigator and expert on pedophiles, explains this in part 3 of the documentary 'Michael Jackson's Boys), masses of pornography and two photographs. One photograph is of a young boy holding an umbrella, his bikini bottoms partially pulled down. The other is a fully nude photo of Jonathan Spence, a young boy known to Jackson, who he'd been pictured with intimately. You can find many pictures of them together here.

Transcript: In October 1993, Larry Feldman (Jordie Chandler's lawyer) sent Jordie to be interviewed by Dr. Richard Gardner, the nation’s leading authority on false claims of child abuse. Dr. Gardner found Jordie's claims credible.

An examination of the physical evidence

Michael Jackson molestation trial transcripts

More confirmation that Jordie Chandler's description of Michael's genitals matched police photographs

Repository for documents relating to PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA vs MICHAEL JACKSON, et al (Michael Jackson’s 2005 child molestation trial) From the Santa Barbara court website.

The truth about Michael and the FBI

Transcript of the infamous recorded phone call from Evan Chandler regarding Michael Jackson. Contrary to talking about taking Michael down for money, in it we can see Evan genuinely suspects sexual contact between his son and Michael and is angry at Michael for alienating him from his son.

Wade Robson's 2013 complaint

James Safechuck's civil complaint - provides corroborating evidence for the recently unearthed video of Michael Jackson taking little Jimmy Safechuck shopping for a "wedding ring": 'On another occasion, Plaintiff and DECEDENT went to the Zales jewelry store in Simi Valley. DECEDENT was wearing a disguise and the salesperson at the Zales store called the police. When the police arrived and saw that it was DECEDENT, they did not pursue the matter.'

Statements and articles:​

Former close friend of Jackson, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: ‘I don’t believe these men are lying

A publicist from Jackson's "Bad" tour recalls watching MJ's behavior around Jimmy with concern and believing then that he was a pedophile

James and Wade fan myths BUSTED

Omer Bhatti (one of Michael Jackson's "boys", who lived with him and stayed with him the longest) when asked about the allegations against Michael.

Ethan Klein of h3h3 discusses the documentary 'Leaving Neverland'

The Dark, Dark World of Norma Staikos - article about Michael's chief of staff and her possible role in procuring boys for him

Gene Simmons on his experiences with Michael Jackson

Paul Anka on his experiences with Michael Jackson

James Safechuck Sr. testified in court (for Michael Jackson) that Michael would kiss his young son on the lips and that he saw 'nothing wrong with it'

Reporter Sam Smyth recalls being so concerned for little Jimmy Safechuck he tried to slip him a note with an offer to rescue him from Michael

'Michael Jackson Was More Like An Evil Genius', Denis Hamill 2009

Dan Reed: 'I'm shocked by those who won't accept Michael Jackson was an abuser'

Corey Feldman says Michael Jackson showed him nude photos

Corey Feldman can 'no longer defend' Michael

Renowned asswipe Piers Morgan talks about his firsthand experience with Michael Jackson's unsettling behavior, particularly his voice

Jude Calvert-Toulmin on the passing of Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson Statement Analysis

Jane Goodall: Michael Jackson abused his chimp

Michael Jackson: Commentary By Kurt Loder

Bill Wyman, in The Wall Street Journal, on Michael Jackson

Bob Herbert – Behind The Facade New York Times, July 3, 2009

The baffling case of Jacko, the gay porn king, and bags of cash

For further research – Those fingerprints on that magazine Jackson trial: Week four; A day-by-day account of the Michael Jackson trial, with all the key evidence, quotes and witnesses

Article on MJ's ex- bodyguard, Melanie Bagnall (claims she saw abuse first-hand)

Evil Sits at the Dinner Table A childhood abuse survivor on Michael Jackson’s death.

An archive of articles on Michael Jackson by Maureen Orth, author of Vanity Fair's "10 undeniable facts" piece on the sexual abuse allegations.

A comment from an ex-fan

Neverland's Lost Boys

Aaron Carter: 'Michael Jackson gave me cocaine.'

Michael Jackson caught on CCTV buying Jimmy Safechuck's 'wedding ring'

UK TV and Radio presenter Iain Lee destroys a Michael Jackson fan's ridiculous arguments

Article concerning the '100 million dollar lawsuit'

'Leaving Neverland' director Dan Reed slams Brandi Jackson's claims

1994 LA Times article: Jackson Not Charged but Not Absolved, by Jim Newton

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson and the Lingering Questions About Child Sex Abuse Cases

“He Would Have Been Convicted”: Opposing Lawyers in Michael Jackson’s Sex-Abuse Case React to Leaving Neverland

Another juror from the 2005 trial says she believes Michael was guilty; felt Wade and Macaulay lied at the trial to protect Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson was in business with one of the X-Men pedophiles

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson and the Lingering Questions About Child Sex Abuse Cases: Why do the accusations come years later, and what does it take to prosecute a case?

Dr. Wallace Goodstein -- plastic surgeon who worked with Dr. Steven Hoefflin, Jackson's plastic surgeon -- says Jackson had "well over 50" plastic surgeries on his face

Videos and pictures of interest:​

Jordie Chandler, the twelve-year old accuser in the 1993 molestation case, sitting on Michael's lap at the 1993 World Music Awards. Skip to 0:19. Regarding this incident, Diane Dimond had this to say: "Michael was bouncing Jordan up and down and whispering his nickname, “Rubba,” over and over into his ear. People sitting nearby were feeling uncomfortable, and one of Jackson’s managers suggested that the boy go back to his seat." Her story is corroborated by Michael's ex-manager Bob Jones.

Frozen In Time Seminar: The Michael Jackson Cases Part One

Frozen In Time Seminar: The Michael Jackson Cases Part Two

Michael Jackson buying Jimmy Safechuck's "wedding ring"

Michael Jackson with another boy (Jonathan Spence) on his lap, his hand on the boy's upper thigh.

Michael Jackson and Emmanuel Lewis

Michael Jackson and Jimmy Safechuck

Michael Jackson holding hands with little Jimmy Safechuck

Jordie Chandler sitting in Michael's lap

Michael Jackson and Brett Barnes

Michael Jackson and Omer Bhatti

Michael Jackson speaking in a more 'natural' voice

Michael Jackson's bizarre response to being directly asked if he's a pedophile

Janine Driver, renowned body language expert, gives her opinion on 'Leaving Neverland'. Appears blindsided by how believable James and Wade are.

Jurors comment after Leaving Neverland

The Dialogue Body Language on Leaving Neverland - Part 1 | Part 2

Resources:​

On CSA and grooming:

Child Molesters: A Behavioural Analysis

On the grooming of children

Why do adults fail to protect children from sexual abuse?

Child sexual exploitation and grooming

What is grooming? Signs to look for

8 ways a predator might groom a child

Common Tricks a Child Predator Uses: Telling Signs of a Child Predator

Grooming dynamics

Profile and Common Characteristics of a Pedophile

Typologies of Child Sexual Abusers

A Primer on Pedophiles

Civil statutes:

You can find information relating to civil suits here.

The civil statutes relevant to James and Wade's case.

 

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I can objectively say the there is no situation i can think of where it would be ok for a grown man to be in bed alone with someone elses child. Good intentions or not.

Jacksons fame meant he was surrounded by yes men and enablers, saying no to him or "Hey Michael, you know the optics of this are not good at all" would mean you'd soon be kicked out the circle. In the end that's how he died, yes man doctor didn't say "no, you've had too many drugs now and it's not safe".

 

[nush]

THE CASE AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON​

​

Documentaries:​

Leaving Neverland - HBO Now. (If you're in Australia) Tenplay.

Living With Michael Jackson by Martin Bashir

Michael Jackson's Boys Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4

Michael Jackson's Secret World

Michael Jackson & The Boy He Paid Off

Michael Jackson: What Really Happened

Louis, Martin and Michael

Why Michael Jackson Won

Michael Jackson: What Really Happened Behind the Gates of Neverland - Feburary 2019 feature on Australian television program Sunday Night. Contains interviews with former staff members, Jackson family members and previously unseen footage.

Interviews:​

Wade Robson and James Safechuck on Surviving Michael Jackson and Creating 'Leaving Neverland'

Bill Dworin, the lead investigator on the Jordie Chandler case and decades-long expert on pedophiles, confirms Jordie Chandler's drawings matched police photos of Jackson's genitalia

Former FBI agent and leading expert on child molesters, Ken Lanning, describes the traits of the male preferential child molester

Prosecutor Ron Zonen discusses Michael Jackson and Gavin Arvizo

'After Neverland' - Full interview by Oprah Winfrey with Wade Robson, James Safechuck and Dan Reed

Leaving Neverland Sundance Q&A

Latoya Jackson, Michael's sister, opens up on her brother's pedophila here, here and here.

Dr. Conrad Murray being asked if he thinks Michael Jackson was a pedophile. Skip to 10:00.

Attorney Lisa Bloom explains MJ 'cult's' denials

60 Minutes Australia interview with Michael Jackson's maid

Leaving Neverland director: 'Michael Jackson abuse devastated families' - BBC Newsnight

Michael Jackson on sharing his bed with boys, calling it a 'beautiful thing'.

Tatiana Thumbtzen (girl from the 'The Way You Make Me Feel' video, who also joined him on the 'Bad' tour as a dancer) explains what happened between her and Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson talking about "conditioning" and children. Note that in his sessions with a psychiatrist, Jordie Chandler recalled Michael using similar language on "conditioning" and levitators as a way to break down Jordan's defenses to the sexual abuse.

Michael Jackson's ex-manager, Bob Jones, discusses the inappropriate incident with Jordan Chandler at the 1993 World Music Awards

Two jurors say they regret Jackson's acquittal, claim they were bullied by the foreman and threatened with removal if they didn't succumb to pressure

The 2005 trial jury foreman, Paul Rodriguez, on acquitting Jackson: Yes, I did [think there was guilt], I thought that Michael Jackson has molested boys in the past, and probably molested this boy, but as I said, what we believe doesn't matter... the EVIDENCE has to PROVE IT."

Documents:​

Request for admission of evidence. From the Santa Barbara court website. This document outlines items that were seized by police in the 2005 case and exactly where they were found. Includes several books known to often be in the collections of pedophiles (Bill Dworin, the lead investigator and expert on pedophiles, explains this in part 3 of the documentary 'Michael Jackson's Boys), masses of pornography and two photographs. One photograph is of a young boy holding an umbrella, his bikini bottoms partially pulled down. The other is a fully nude photo of Jonathan Spence, a young boy known to Jackson, who he'd been pictured with intimately. You can find many pictures of them together here.

Transcript: In October 1993, Larry Feldman (Jordie Chandler's lawyer) sent Jordie to be interviewed by Dr. Richard Gardner, the nation’s leading authority on false claims of child abuse. Dr. Gardner found Jordie's claims credible.

An examination of the physical evidence

Michael Jackson molestation trial transcripts

More confirmation that Jordie Chandler's description of Michael's genitals matched police photographs

Repository for documents relating to PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA vs MICHAEL JACKSON, et al (Michael Jackson’s 2005 child molestation trial) From the Santa Barbara court website.

The truth about Michael and the FBI

Transcript of the infamous recorded phone call from Evan Chandler regarding Michael Jackson. Contrary to talking about taking Michael down for money, in it we can see Evan genuinely suspects sexual contact between his son and Michael and is angry at Michael for alienating him from his son.

Wade Robson's 2013 complaint

James Safechuck's civil complaint - provides corroborating evidence for the recently unearthed video of Michael Jackson taking little Jimmy Safechuck shopping for a "wedding ring": 'On another occasion, Plaintiff and DECEDENT went to the Zales jewelry store in Simi Valley. DECEDENT was wearing a disguise and the salesperson at the Zales store called the police. When the police arrived and saw that it was DECEDENT, they did not pursue the matter.'

Statements and articles:​

Former close friend of Jackson, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: ‘I don’t believe these men are lying

A publicist from Jackson's "Bad" tour recalls watching MJ's behavior around Jimmy with concern and believing then that he was a pedophile

James and Wade fan myths BUSTED

Omer Bhatti (one of Michael Jackson's "boys", who lived with him and stayed with him the longest) when asked about the allegations against Michael.

Ethan Klein of h3h3 discusses the documentary 'Leaving Neverland'

The Dark, Dark World of Norma Staikos - article about Michael's chief of staff and her possible role in procuring boys for him

Gene Simmons on his experiences with Michael Jackson

Paul Anka on his experiences with Michael Jackson

James Safechuck Sr. testified in court (for Michael Jackson) that Michael would kiss his young son on the lips and that he saw 'nothing wrong with it'

Reporter Sam Smyth recalls being so concerned for little Jimmy Safechuck he tried to slip him a note with an offer to rescue him from Michael

'Michael Jackson Was More Like An Evil Genius', Denis Hamill 2009

Dan Reed: 'I'm shocked by those who won't accept Michael Jackson was an abuser'

Corey Feldman says Michael Jackson showed him nude photos

Corey Feldman can 'no longer defend' Michael

Renowned asswipe Piers Morgan talks about his firsthand experience with Michael Jackson's unsettling behavior, particularly his voice

Jude Calvert-Toulmin on the passing of Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson Statement Analysis

Jane Goodall: Michael Jackson abused his chimp

Michael Jackson: Commentary By Kurt Loder

Bill Wyman, in The Wall Street Journal, on Michael Jackson

Bob Herbert – Behind The Facade New York Times, July 3, 2009

The baffling case of Jacko, the gay porn king, and bags of cash

For further research – Those fingerprints on that magazine Jackson trial: Week four; A day-by-day account of the Michael Jackson trial, with all the key evidence, quotes and witnesses

Article on MJ's ex- bodyguard, Melanie Bagnall (claims she saw abuse first-hand)

Evil Sits at the Dinner Table A childhood abuse survivor on Michael Jackson’s death.

An archive of articles on Michael Jackson by Maureen Orth, author of Vanity Fair's "10 undeniable facts" piece on the sexual abuse allegations.

A comment from an ex-fan

Neverland's Lost Boys

Aaron Carter: 'Michael Jackson gave me cocaine.'

Michael Jackson caught on CCTV buying Jimmy Safechuck's 'wedding ring'

UK TV and Radio presenter Iain Lee destroys a Michael Jackson fan's ridiculous arguments

Article concerning the '100 million dollar lawsuit'

'Leaving Neverland' director Dan Reed slams Brandi Jackson's claims

1994 LA Times article: Jackson Not Charged but Not Absolved, by Jim Newton

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson and the Lingering Questions About Child Sex Abuse Cases

“He Would Have Been Convicted”: Opposing Lawyers in Michael Jackson’s Sex-Abuse Case React to Leaving Neverland

Another juror from the 2005 trial says she believes Michael was guilty; felt Wade and Macaulay lied at the trial to protect Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson was in business with one of the X-Men pedophiles

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson and the Lingering Questions About Child Sex Abuse Cases: Why do the accusations come years later, and what does it take to prosecute a case?

Dr. Wallace Goodstein -- plastic surgeon who worked with Dr. Steven Hoefflin, Jackson's plastic surgeon -- says Jackson had "well over 50" plastic surgeries on his face

Videos and pictures of interest:​

Jordie Chandler, the twelve-year old accuser in the 1993 molestation case, sitting on Michael's lap at the 1993 World Music Awards. Skip to 0:19. Regarding this incident, Diane Dimond had this to say: "Michael was bouncing Jordan up and down and whispering his nickname, “Rubba,” over and over into his ear. People sitting nearby were feeling uncomfortable, and one of Jackson’s managers suggested that the boy go back to his seat." Her story is corroborated by Michael's ex-manager Bob Jones.

Frozen In Time Seminar: The Michael Jackson Cases Part One

Frozen In Time Seminar: The Michael Jackson Cases Part Two

Michael Jackson buying Jimmy Safechuck's "wedding ring"

Michael Jackson with another boy (Jonathan Spence) on his lap, his hand on the boy's upper thigh.

Michael Jackson and Emmanuel Lewis

Michael Jackson and Jimmy Safechuck

Michael Jackson holding hands with little Jimmy Safechuck

Jordie Chandler sitting in Michael's lap

Michael Jackson and Brett Barnes

Michael Jackson and Omer Bhatti

Michael Jackson speaking in a more 'natural' voice

Michael Jackson's bizarre response to being directly asked if he's a pedophile

Janine Driver, renowned body language expert, gives her opinion on 'Leaving Neverland'. Appears blindsided by how believable James and Wade are.

Jurors comment after Leaving Neverland

The Dialogue Body Language on Leaving Neverland - Part 1 | Part 2

Resources:​

On CSA and grooming:

Child Molesters: A Behavioural Analysis

On the grooming of children

Why do adults fail to protect children from sexual abuse?

Child sexual exploitation and grooming

What is grooming? Signs to look for

8 ways a predator might groom a child

Common Tricks a Child Predator Uses: Telling Signs of a Child Predator

Grooming dynamics

Profile and Common Characteristics of a Pedophile

Typologies of Child Sexual Abusers

A Primer on Pedophiles

Civil statutes:

You can find information relating to civil suits here.

The civil statutes relevant to James and Wade's case.

 

[SegaShack]

This is from the first accuser's father.

Evan Chandler's words to his son, Jordan Chandler.




Evan Chandler threatened to take down Michael Jackson if he didn't "confess".

This is abuse.

This is why Jordan Chandler legally separated from his parents after Evan Chandler got his money.

This stuff gets ignored because they just want to believe MJ molested him.

I totally agree. It's awful people believe the accusations with zero research.

Evan Chandler also commited suicide a few weeks after Michael's death. Had to be out of guilt in my opinion.

 

[SegaShack]

THE CASE AGAINST MICHAEL JACKSON​

​

Documentaries:​

Leaving Neverland - HBO Now. (If you're in Australia) Tenplay.

Living With Michael Jackson by Martin Bashir

Michael Jackson's Boys Part 1 | Part 2 | Part 3 | Part 4

Michael Jackson's Secret World

Michael Jackson & The Boy He Paid Off

Michael Jackson: What Really Happened

Louis, Martin and Michael

Why Michael Jackson Won

Michael Jackson: What Really Happened Behind the Gates of Neverland - Feburary 2019 feature on Australian television program Sunday Night. Contains interviews with former staff members, Jackson family members and previously unseen footage.

Interviews:​

Wade Robson and James Safechuck on Surviving Michael Jackson and Creating 'Leaving Neverland'

Bill Dworin, the lead investigator on the Jordie Chandler case and decades-long expert on pedophiles, confirms Jordie Chandler's drawings matched police photos of Jackson's genitalia

Former FBI agent and leading expert on child molesters, Ken Lanning, describes the traits of the male preferential child molester

Prosecutor Ron Zonen discusses Michael Jackson and Gavin Arvizo

'After Neverland' - Full interview by Oprah Winfrey with Wade Robson, James Safechuck and Dan Reed

Leaving Neverland Sundance Q&A

Latoya Jackson, Michael's sister, opens up on her brother's pedophila here, here and here.

Dr. Conrad Murray being asked if he thinks Michael Jackson was a pedophile. Skip to 10:00.

Attorney Lisa Bloom explains MJ 'cult's' denials

60 Minutes Australia interview with Michael Jackson's maid

Leaving Neverland director: 'Michael Jackson abuse devastated families' - BBC Newsnight

Michael Jackson on sharing his bed with boys, calling it a 'beautiful thing'.

Tatiana Thumbtzen (girl from the 'The Way You Make Me Feel' video, who also joined him on the 'Bad' tour as a dancer) explains what happened between her and Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson talking about "conditioning" and children. Note that in his sessions with a psychiatrist, Jordie Chandler recalled Michael using similar language on "conditioning" and levitators as a way to break down Jordan's defenses to the sexual abuse.

Michael Jackson's ex-manager, Bob Jones, discusses the inappropriate incident with Jordan Chandler at the 1993 World Music Awards

Two jurors say they regret Jackson's acquittal, claim they were bullied by the foreman and threatened with removal if they didn't succumb to pressure

The 2005 trial jury foreman, Paul Rodriguez, on acquitting Jackson: Yes, I did [think there was guilt], I thought that Michael Jackson has molested boys in the past, and probably molested this boy, but as I said, what we believe doesn't matter... the EVIDENCE has to PROVE IT."

Documents:​

Request for admission of evidence. From the Santa Barbara court website. This document outlines items that were seized by police in the 2005 case and exactly where they were found. Includes several books known to often be in the collections of pedophiles (Bill Dworin, the lead investigator and expert on pedophiles, explains this in part 3 of the documentary 'Michael Jackson's Boys), masses of pornography and two photographs. One photograph is of a young boy holding an umbrella, his bikini bottoms partially pulled down. The other is a fully nude photo of Jonathan Spence, a young boy known to Jackson, who he'd been pictured with intimately. You can find many pictures of them together here.

Transcript: In October 1993, Larry Feldman (Jordie Chandler's lawyer) sent Jordie to be interviewed by Dr. Richard Gardner, the nation’s leading authority on false claims of child abuse. Dr. Gardner found Jordie's claims credible.

An examination of the physical evidence

Michael Jackson molestation trial transcripts

More confirmation that Jordie Chandler's description of Michael's genitals matched police photographs

Repository for documents relating to PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA vs MICHAEL JACKSON, et al (Michael Jackson’s 2005 child molestation trial) From the Santa Barbara court website.

The truth about Michael and the FBI

Transcript of the infamous recorded phone call from Evan Chandler regarding Michael Jackson. Contrary to talking about taking Michael down for money, in it we can see Evan genuinely suspects sexual contact between his son and Michael and is angry at Michael for alienating him from his son.

Wade Robson's 2013 complaint

James Safechuck's civil complaint - provides corroborating evidence for the recently unearthed video of Michael Jackson taking little Jimmy Safechuck shopping for a "wedding ring": 'On another occasion, Plaintiff and DECEDENT went to the Zales jewelry store in Simi Valley. DECEDENT was wearing a disguise and the salesperson at the Zales store called the police. When the police arrived and saw that it was DECEDENT, they did not pursue the matter.'

Statements and articles:​

Former close friend of Jackson, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach: ‘I don’t believe these men are lying

A publicist from Jackson's "Bad" tour recalls watching MJ's behavior around Jimmy with concern and believing then that he was a pedophile

James and Wade fan myths BUSTED

Omer Bhatti (one of Michael Jackson's "boys", who lived with him and stayed with him the longest) when asked about the allegations against Michael.

Ethan Klein of h3h3 discusses the documentary 'Leaving Neverland'

The Dark, Dark World of Norma Staikos - article about Michael's chief of staff and her possible role in procuring boys for him

Gene Simmons on his experiences with Michael Jackson

Paul Anka on his experiences with Michael Jackson

James Safechuck Sr. testified in court (for Michael Jackson) that Michael would kiss his young son on the lips and that he saw 'nothing wrong with it'

Reporter Sam Smyth recalls being so concerned for little Jimmy Safechuck he tried to slip him a note with an offer to rescue him from Michael

'Michael Jackson Was More Like An Evil Genius', Denis Hamill 2009

Dan Reed: 'I'm shocked by those who won't accept Michael Jackson was an abuser'

Corey Feldman says Michael Jackson showed him nude photos

Corey Feldman can 'no longer defend' Michael

Renowned asswipe Piers Morgan talks about his firsthand experience with Michael Jackson's unsettling behavior, particularly his voice

Jude Calvert-Toulmin on the passing of Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson Statement Analysis

Jane Goodall: Michael Jackson abused his chimp

Michael Jackson: Commentary By Kurt Loder

Bill Wyman, in The Wall Street Journal, on Michael Jackson

Bob Herbert – Behind The Facade New York Times, July 3, 2009

The baffling case of Jacko, the gay porn king, and bags of cash

For further research – Those fingerprints on that magazine Jackson trial: Week four; A day-by-day account of the Michael Jackson trial, with all the key evidence, quotes and witnesses

Article on MJ's ex- bodyguard, Melanie Bagnall (claims she saw abuse first-hand)

Evil Sits at the Dinner Table A childhood abuse survivor on Michael Jackson’s death.

An archive of articles on Michael Jackson by Maureen Orth, author of Vanity Fair's "10 undeniable facts" piece on the sexual abuse allegations.

A comment from an ex-fan

Neverland's Lost Boys

Aaron Carter: 'Michael Jackson gave me cocaine.'

Michael Jackson caught on CCTV buying Jimmy Safechuck's 'wedding ring'

UK TV and Radio presenter Iain Lee destroys a Michael Jackson fan's ridiculous arguments

Article concerning the '100 million dollar lawsuit'

'Leaving Neverland' director Dan Reed slams Brandi Jackson's claims

1994 LA Times article: Jackson Not Charged but Not Absolved, by Jim Newton

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson and the Lingering Questions About Child Sex Abuse Cases

“He Would Have Been Convicted”: Opposing Lawyers in Michael Jackson’s Sex-Abuse Case React to Leaving Neverland

Another juror from the 2005 trial says she believes Michael was guilty; felt Wade and Macaulay lied at the trial to protect Michael Jackson

Michael Jackson was in business with one of the X-Men pedophiles

R. Kelly, Michael Jackson and the Lingering Questions About Child Sex Abuse Cases: Why do the accusations come years later, and what does it take to prosecute a case?

Dr. Wallace Goodstein -- plastic surgeon who worked with Dr. Steven Hoefflin, Jackson's plastic surgeon -- says Jackson had "well over 50" plastic surgeries on his face

Videos and pictures of interest:​

Jordie Chandler, the twelve-year old accuser in the 1993 molestation case, sitting on Michael's lap at the 1993 World Music Awards. Skip to 0:19. Regarding this incident, Diane Dimond had this to say: "Michael was bouncing Jordan up and down and whispering his nickname, “Rubba,” over and over into his ear. People sitting nearby were feeling uncomfortable, and one of Jackson’s managers suggested that the boy go back to his seat." Her story is corroborated by Michael's ex-manager Bob Jones.

Frozen In Time Seminar: The Michael Jackson Cases Part One

Frozen In Time Seminar: The Michael Jackson Cases Part Two

Michael Jackson buying Jimmy Safechuck's "wedding ring"

Michael Jackson with another boy (Jonathan Spence) on his lap, his hand on the boy's upper thigh.

Michael Jackson and Emmanuel Lewis

Michael Jackson and Jimmy Safechuck

Michael Jackson holding hands with little Jimmy Safechuck

Jordie Chandler sitting in Michael's lap

Michael Jackson and Brett Barnes

Michael Jackson and Omer Bhatti

Michael Jackson speaking in a more 'natural' voice

Michael Jackson's bizarre response to being directly asked if he's a pedophile

Janine Driver, renowned body language expert, gives her opinion on 'Leaving Neverland'. Appears blindsided by how believable James and Wade are.

Jurors comment after Leaving Neverland

The Dialogue Body Language on Leaving Neverland - Part 1 | Part 2

Resources:​

On CSA and grooming:

Child Molesters: A Behavioural Analysis

On the grooming of children

Why do adults fail to protect children from sexual abuse?

Child sexual exploitation and grooming

What is grooming? Signs to look for

8 ways a predator might groom a child

Common Tricks a Child Predator Uses: Telling Signs of a Child Predator

Grooming dynamics

Profile and Common Characteristics of a Pedophile

Typologies of Child Sexual Abusers

A Primer on Pedophiles

Civil statutes:

You can find information relating to civil suits here.

The civil statutes relevant to James and Wade's case.

Wheres the court documents in full (both sides). This resource list is awful and super one sided.

Prove to me Chandler, Arizo, Wade, and Schaechuck aren't after money. Why are they suing a dead man's estate? Why did Wade have Michael at his wedding in his 30s if hes some evil abuser?

The Arizos and Chandlers have literal evidence IN COURT of being money seekers. Read the court docs my friend, you are uneducated on this matter.

These families used Michael completely.

You're posting Youtube documentaries and the slander piece by Martin Bashir, the journalist who was recently shunned by the BBC for being responsible for Princess Diana's death due to made up bank statements?

Martin Bashir: Inquiry criticises BBC over 'deceitful' Diana interview

Martin Bashir's 1995 interview was obtained using fake documents and then not properly investigated, an inquiry finds.

www.bbc.com

Michael had his own cameras rolling when the Bashir doc was made and you can see he uses editing and bullshit narration to create fake stories. Michael released his own doc with his cameras showing how Bashir is a faker.



Piers Morgan? Gene Simmons? How are they good sources. They weren't even there.

 

[Sentenza]

MJ could force a blowjob on your own kids in front of your eyes and you guys would still attempt to claim it was just him relishing in his childlike innocence.
But hey, he made catchy tunes.

 

[SegaShack]

MJ could force a blowjob on your own kids in front of your eyes and you guys would still attempt to claim it was just him relishing in his childlike innocence.
But hey, he made catchy tunes.

Has nothing to do with his music.

He was taken to court over this and extensively examined and Santa Barbara wanted him booked and it turned into 3 year embarassment for Santa Barbara PD.

Why was he found not guilty in 2005 after an extensive trial and his home being raided by sheriffs?

Why did Jimmy and Wade lose their lawsuits and they were ordered to pay legal fees to the Estate?

Why could Santa Barbara County find no testimony or evidence to back up any claims of criminal activity in 2005 and why was there also a lack of evidence or reputable testimony in 2020?

Why was adult Wade Robson asking Michael to be at his wedding? Why did Michael set Wade up with his niece?

Why do the kids claim to be abused in days/months that Michael was not even remotely close to Neverland but in other states/ countries? Or in a Train Station that wasn't even built til they were 20 years old.

I'm not trying to insult you. None of us were there. But I haven't found any source that is reliable to prove he did any wrongdoing. The court documents are all in the public record, go read them.

You will find that on cross examination these lies don't hold up.

Are you implying MJ was in on a massive conspiracy with the courts or Santa Barbara PD to destroy evidence or get acquitted? And that his Estate continues this conspiracy with the courts to win against Wade and Jimmy?