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[DForce]

Wade Robson used "real emotion" telling a story about how he testified for Jackson after looking at his children, but this was edited out of the documentary after it was discovered this account was a lie.

But somehow you think he totally believable lol

 

[highrider]

There will never....ever be any evidence. You are going to have to rely on your experience as a human being interacting with other human beings to make a decision about who you believe.

In my experience, the victims are obviously telling the truth. Their behavior and complex emotions about this are perfectly in line with what I would expect (child sexual abuse victim's relationships with their abusers is often very complex)

I have no doubt in my mind that he did this.

Yeah I mean MJ wasn’t exactly a genius in terms of social skills, and you mean to tell me this was a man compelled by his sexual desires to interact with children, and was using a host of narcotics with no one around him saying no was still somehow slick enough to elude a massive FBI investigation leaving nary a trace of physical evidence? Meanwhile tons of other kids say he was completely innocent doing the same sleepover stuff and him having unfettered access to these kids. No reasonable doubt there at all?

 

[Winter John]

Winter John doesn't care about facts, he's going to keep repeating the same lies over and over again.

It's been stated multiple times that the $20 million dollar settlement was not hush money and Jordan Chandler was still able to testify against Michael Jackson if they brought criminal charges against Michael Jackson.

It doesn't matter how many times anyone says this, he's still going to say Michael Jackson paid the Jordan Chandler $25 million to keep quiet.

Jackson slept in the same bed with kids. He admitted to doing it on a TV interview. He paid $25 million to avoid being dragged into court. Those are not lies. Those are facts. It don't matter how many times you try to pretend they aren't facts. They are. They are events which happened. You can keep on pretending that a guy who did those things is innocent. He wasn't. He was a pedophile. That is a fact.

 

[DForce]

Jackson slept in the same bed with kids. He admitted to doing it on a TV interview. He paid $25 million to avoid being dragged into court. Those are not lies. Those are facts. It don't matter how many times you try to pretend they aren't facts. They are. They are events which happened. You can keep on pretending that a guy who did those things is innocent. He wasn't. He was a pedophile. That is a fact.

Sorry, but you're wrong.


Michael Jackson Settles Suit For Sum Said to Be in Millions - 1994

Regarding that investigation, District Attorney Gil Garcetti of Los Angeles County said today that Larry Feldman, the boy's lawyer, had not ruled out having the youngster testify. "Nobody has bought anyone's silence," Mr. Feldman said. Prosecutor's Statement

In a terse statement, Mr. Garcetti said: "The criminal investigation of singer Michael Jackson is ongoing and will not be affected by the announcement of the civil case settlement. The District Attorney's office is taking Mr. Feldman at his word that the alleged victim will be allowed to testify and that there has been no agreement in the civil matter that will affect cooperation in the criminal investigation."

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/26/...tles-suit-for-sum-said-to-be-in-millions.html

 

[DForce]

This goes into the settlement back in 93'

 

[DForce]

 

[Mitsuda Maniac]

It is plain as day that the guy was a sick person who loved spending his time with and sleeping with little boys. I wouldn't defend anyone in my neighborhood who was like this as an innocent person. Seems weird to extend the benefit of the doubt to MJ coz he was famous.

 

[DForce]

I had to confirm this for myself, and yes, this is in fact another lie that James Safechuck told in the documentary.


Safechuck claims that Michael wanted him to testify near the end of the trail in episode 2, but the judge already ruled that no other witnesses will be permitted in court.

 

[mckmas8808]

Shocking, makes you wonder why more people didn't notice R. Kelly harming little girls at the studio during his album recordings.

 

[DForce]

Shocking, makes you wonder why more people didn't notice R. Kelly harming little girls at the studio during his album recordings.

It comes down to who has more credibility.

Wade has lied multiple times, and if there is someone who was with Michael Jackson during these alleged dates, then they're probably going to be more willing to take his side over the story than Wade's.

If someone really wants justice, then they wouldn't bother lying this much. They would have no problem telling the truth. Lying just makes the story seem really suspect.

 

[VulcanRaven]

The dude grew up in a very traumatic way always on the road with a very awkward childhood. The dude named his kid Blanket, there was clearly crazy to go with his genius in the musical profession

Blanket is not his real name. He is Prince Michael Jackson II.

 

[Rock And Roll]

Shocking, makes you wonder why more people didn't notice R. Kelly harming little girls at the studio during his album recordings.

Except they did

 

[cryptoadam]

Jackson slept in the same bed with kids. He admitted to doing it on a TV interview. He paid $25 million to avoid being dragged into court. Those are not lies. Those are facts. It don't matter how many times you try to pretend they aren't facts. They are. They are events which happened. You can keep on pretending that a guy who did those things is innocent. He wasn't. He was a pedophile. That is a fact.

Just to correct one of your facts, he didn't pay 25 Million to avoid being dragged into court. He paid 25 million dollars because the civil suite was going to be done BEFORE the criminal case. So anything that was done in the civil suit would of effected his criminal case, and he would have to basically run 2 trials back to back.

 

[LMJ]

Blanket is not his real name. He is Prince Michael Jackson II.

Prince as in royalty? Or Prince as in artist formally known as?

With Michael I could see it going either way lol

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Prince as in royalty? Or Prince as in artist formally known as?

With Michael I could see it going either way lol

Well, he did demand that everybody call him The King of Pop...

 

[mckmas8808]

Except they did

Ewwww....that's just nasty R. Kelly. Geez.

Just to correct one of your facts, he didn't pay 25 Million to avoid being dragged into court. He paid 25 million dollars because the civil suite was going to be done BEFORE the criminal case. So anything that was done in the civil suit would of effected his criminal case, and he would have to basically run 2 trials back to back.

So what would have happened if MJ "didn't" pay the $25 million?

 

[lil puff]

Except they did

ewwgh. Right around lunch time too.

Nasty sick piece of shit he is leaving his stains all over the place.

 

[cryptoadam]

Ewwww....that's just nasty R. Kelly. Geez.



So what would have happened if MJ "didn't" pay the $25 million?

anything that came out in the civil suite could have effected the criminal suite and also civil suites have much lower barrier of proof than a criminal one. Also high priced lawyers aren't cheap thats 2 separate court cases he would have to fight almost concurrently.

I know its a bad example and kinda goes against my point but imagine the OJ civil suite took place before the criminal case.

But I am not defending either way, just pointing out that the pay off could also be interpreted differently just from he was guilty. And the criminal case went through and he wasn't found guilty, same for the second trial.

 

[DForce]

No doubt would have won if there was no payout from the insurance company.

 

[Shodan09]

Well, he did demand that everybody call him The King of Pop...

No he didn't.

 

[Saturnman]

Jackson slept in the same bed with kids. He admitted to doing it on a TV interview. He paid $25 million to avoid being dragged into court. Those are not lies. Those are facts. It don't matter how many times you try to pretend they aren't facts. They are. They are events which happened. You can keep on pretending that a guy who did those things is innocent. He wasn't. He was a pedophile. That is a fact.

Don't forget, he also shopped for rings with boys.





"he was buying a ring for Sheryl Crow."

Sure....

 

[Voost Kain]

Prince didn't sleep with kids but he hung out with them and looked arguably more on fire in aesthetics than Micheal Jackson at least before the remember the time stuff, yet no court cases, no $25 million payout, no buying rings for kids, no sleeping with the kids, he also could rap.

It's funny how Prince always looked more suspect than Micheal but Michael ended up getting hit with all the accusations, that should tell people something.

 

[mckmas8808]

Prince didn't sleep with kids but he hung out with them and looked arguably more on fire in aesthetics than Micheal Jackson at least before the remember the time stuff, yet no court cases, no $25 million payout, no buying rings for kids, no sleeping with the kids, he also could rap.

It's funny how Prince always looked more suspect than Micheal but Michael ended up getting hit with all the accusations, that should tell people something.

It helps that Prince actually dated and had sexual relations with women. And in Prince's case, he actually had some of the best looking women the 80s and 90s could produce.


Misty Copeland

Carmen Electra

Mayte Garcia

Manuela Testolini

Nona Gaye

Apollonia Kotero

.


Vanity

Sheila E.

Bria Valente

 

[Airola]

And in Prince's case, he actually had some of the best looking women the 80s and 90s could produce.


Misty Copeland

Carmen Electra

Mayte Garcia

Manuela Testolini

Nona Gaye

Apollonia Kotero

.


Vanity

Sheila E.

Bria Valente

That's pretty sad actually.
That's a lot of break-ups the man had to go through.

 

[Winter John]

Don't forget, he also shopped for rings with boys.





"he was buying a ring for Sheryl Crow."

Sure....

I feel sorry for his two fans on here. It isn't nice finding out someone you look up to isn't what you thought they were. At some point though they got to face the truth. The man was a pedophile. That's about the worst thing a man can be, but that doesn't mean his fans should stop enjoying his music.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Man, it's so weird to see Prince with a beard...

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Jackson slept in the same bed with kids. He admitted to doing it on a TV interview. He paid $25 million to avoid being dragged into court. Those are not lies. Those are facts. It don't matter how many times you try to pretend they aren't facts. They are. They are events which happened. You can keep on pretending that a guy who did those things is innocent. He wasn't. He was a pedophile. That is a fact.

seems almost like you're implying being a pedophile is being guilty. pedophile/=child molester thus not guilty not illegal.

Michael could have been asexual for all we know.

The fact he settled means nothing if he cleared investigations without evidence being found.

 

[sol_bad]

So what would have happened if MJ "didn't" pay the $25 million?

I think another downside is that the prosecution in the criminal case could take evidence from the civil case and twist it to their agenda. If that makes sense.

*EDIT*
I know some of these have been linked but I watched all of these last night.













Anyone crucifying Jackson should watch these videos. Especially the last one, it's about the medias reaction during the 2005 trial.

 

[lil puff]

Prince didn't sleep with kids but he hung out with them and looked arguably more on fire in aesthetics than Micheal Jackson at least before the remember the time stuff, yet no court cases, no $25 million payout, no buying rings for kids, no sleeping with the kids, he also could rap.

It's funny how Prince always looked more suspect than Micheal but Michael ended up getting hit with all the accusations, that should tell people something.

this is true. Prince was not as creepy. Maybe he was but in a different way

 

[lil puff]

Man, it's so weird to see Prince with a beard...

Didn't he normally have a beard? Honestly i think it is weird with him without a beard

 

[lil puff]

At one point, Prince and Jackson wre goin on like Larry and Magic.

 

[WingM@n]

It helps that Prince actually dated and had sexual relations with women. And in Prince's case, he actually had some of the best looking women the 80s and 90s could produce.


Misty Copeland

Carmen Electra

Mayte Garcia

Manuela Testolini

Nona Gaye

Apollonia Kotero

.


Vanity

Sheila E.

Bria Valente

Wade Robson actually had an affair with Mayte Garcia while she was with Prince.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Don't forget, he also shopped for rings with boys.





"he was buying a ring for Sheryl Crow."

Sure....

I googled this and news sites say that the reports at the time said that he bought toys and some sunglasses.

 

[DForce]

This appears to be one of the e-mails between Wade Robson and his mother Joy Robson.

In this e-mail, she says,

"Hi, Wade. I will take a look at what I have written. I have several versions. I will let you know if I think it is something that will benefit you."

Looks like his mom was helping him create this story.

 

[Winter John]

seems almost like you're implying being a pedophile is being guilty. pedophile/=child molester thus not guilty not illegal.

Michael could have been asexual for all we know.

The fact he settled means nothing if he cleared investigations without evidence being found.

I got no idea what the fuck your talking about buddy.

 

[Sqorin Hammerfarf]

Didn't he normally have a beard? Honestly i think it is weird with him without a beard

I wasn’t talking about facial hair...

 

[mckmas8808]

I wasn’t talking about facial hair...

 

[Saturnman]

I googled this and news sites say that the reports at the time said that he bought toys and some sunglasses.

Sheryl Crow is one cool kid at heart.

 

[Grinchy]

I get that people might see this Wade guy as an opportunist who wants money, but I don't think that automatically means the things he described didn't happen. It can be both things.

It seems like such an unreasonably long con to suddenly reveal to his entire family a lie about being molested when a maid and other people also testified to seeing it happen years before. Criticize the guy for suddenly wanting money from the estate, but saying this never happened feels like a bit of a stretch.

 

[mckmas8808]

I get that people might see this Wade guy as an opportunist who wants money, but I don't think that automatically means the things he described didn't happen. It can be both things.

It seems like such an unreasonably long con to suddenly reveal to his entire family a lie about being molested when a maid and other people also testified to seeing it happen years before. Criticize the guy for suddenly wanting money from the estate, but saying this never happened feels like a bit of a stretch.

Exactly! Seems like the longest con. Like how they get all the right people on the con. Plus why are other kids trying the same con with similar stories?

And another thing! Can we please STOP saying MJ was asexual?!?! Geez!

 

[VulcanRaven]

Mirror Uk: Leaving Neverland: Wade Robson accused of 'lying about Michael Jackson abuse':
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebr...r.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

The author of a Michael Jackson biography has questioned the facts presented by the singer's victims

The damning documentary Leaving Neverland by filmmaker Dan Reed has divided opinion as it exposed legendary singer Michael Jackson as a predatory child sex offender.

With testimony by Wade Robson and James Safechuck about their childhood in the presence of Jacko, it paints a grim picture of persistent abuse, that could have been repeated with a host of children between the ages of seven and 11 years old.

The author of a Jackson biography, Mike Smallcombe, has hit back at the allegations and in speaking to Express Online, has looked to 'expose Wade Robson as a liar' and therefore discredit his claims.

Smallcombe has said there is evidence that Robson has repeatedly lied about Jackson and was deemed an 'unreliable witness' when quizzed about allegations of abuse in the past.

Smallcombe said Robson described himself as a "master of deception," when hawking a book about the sexual abuse and that he tried to 'force the Jackson Estate into a financial settlement', so not to go public with his claims.

Smallcombe reiterated that, "the judge disregarded his sworn statements," and that Robson was “caught lying repeatedly.”

When asked about his memories of the first nights in Neverland with Jackson, Robson told the trial judge, "that he 'did not know' if his memory of that night 'came from (his) own recollection or it was told to (him) by someone else."

Smallcombe said: "In one email, he listed over 20 different questions to his mother asking her about the specific details of his interactions with Jackson.

"Some of these included: 'Can you explain all that you remember of that first night at Neverland? What happened when we drove in what did we do? And that first weekend at Neverland?'"

At the time, Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said Robson was, "trying to hide evidence before his cases were dismissed."

Smallcombe also claims that Weitzman said: ''Robson lied under oath and stated that, other than one brief email in late 2012, he had had 'no written communications' with anyone (other than his attorneys) about his newly-concocted allegations that he was abused by Jackson.

"This turned out to be a complete and utter lie. Robson had actually shopped a book about his allegations in the year prior to filing his lawsuit, a book he tried to hide from the Estate."

What is for certain is that there are two sides to every story but from the 'evidence' shared on Leaving Neverland, it is difficult to look beyond the allegations laid at the feet of Jackson but this proves that the battle between Robson and the singer's estate has been ongoing and messy for some time.

Robson doesn't sound very believable.

 

[Rock And Roll]

I get that people might see this Wade guy as an opportunist who wants money, but I don't think that automatically means the things he described didn't happen. It can be both things.

It seems like such an unreasonably long con to suddenly reveal to his entire family a lie about being molested when a maid and other people also testified to seeing it happen years before. Criticize the guy for suddenly wanting money from the estate, but saying this never happened feels like a bit of a stretch.

The maid who claimed to have witnessed molestation was fired for theft before all of the allegations took place, and then started saying she say MJ in bed/showers with boys etc... Now she claims to have seen Robson/Safechuck being molested, but she also claimed she saw it happen to Macaulay Culkin, who has always said MJ was innocent.

 

[Grinchy]

The maid who claimed to have witnessed molestation was fired for theft before all of the allegations took place, and then started saying she say MJ in bed/showers with boys etc... Now she claims to have seen Robson/Safechuck being molested, but she also claimed she saw it happen to Macaulay Culkin, who has always said MJ was innocent.

Wade always said MJ was innocent too...until he stopped saying that.

I'm not claiming I know exactly what happened, but I'm pretty damn convinced. The fact that the maid was fired doesn't mean she didn't see something. For all we know, she was fired because she saw something.

 

[DForce]

Wade always said MJ was innocent too...until he stopped saying that.

I'm not claiming I know exactly what happened, but I'm pretty damn convinced. The fact that the maid was fired doesn't mean she didn't see something. For all we know, she was fired because she saw something.

The maid changed her story and admitted under oath that she lied.

One version included not seeing anyone else in the shower with Jackson.

This woman was also looking to see Jackson naked and that's why she "stumbled" across him in the shadow naked.

She was fired because she was caught stealing and they owe the Jackson Estate because of this.

 

[DForce]

Why would they lie for so long?

People have to remember that they tried to sue the Estate for millions and the case is going through an appeal process. It's not hard to get a family to lie for you when there's millions on the table to be had.

If Wade's wife lied about being a victim of child abuse, then that goes to show you how far they will go to have people believe them.


IF they were truly innocent victims then no one would bother lying this much in an attempt to win a settlement. The more lies that are discovered, the harder it is for anyone to believe them.

I just find it strange that people are look over these lies as something small when these are pretty huge lies.

 

[Rock And Roll]

Wade always said MJ was innocent too...until he stopped saying that.

I'm not claiming I know exactly what happened, but I'm pretty damn convinced. The fact that the maid was fired doesn't mean she didn't see something. For all we know, she was fired because she saw something.

Oh yes I know both of these are very real possibilities, but they've lied multiple times and each lie just makes their credibility look worse. Plus what DForce just posted is more of the same from this group. Lie under oath, get caught, change your story, rinse, repeat, try to extort the Jackson's out of money.


I am open to the possibility MJ might have been a pedophile because of his behaviour but the most damming stuff I've heard directed at him is out of his own mouth because of his naivete. All the accusers have been after money, not justice and have had their stories exposed in court when under scrutiny. Until something credible is presented I can't condemn a man because he was an odd duck.

 

[Saturnman]

I am open to the possibility MJ might have been a pedophile because of his behaviour but the most damming stuff I've heard directed at him is out of his own mouth because of his naivete. All the accusers have been after money, not justice and have had their stories exposed in court when under scrutiny. Until something credible is presented I can't condemn a man because he was an odd duck.

I hate to break it to you, but Michael Jackson has been dead for almost a decade. There's no justice to be had with a dead pedophile.

The next best thing is to go after his money, like the Goldman family did with OJ (because of his acquittal). That they could have in court. A nice side benefit is to destroy his legacy, but that is done in the court of public opinion.

 

[Rock And Roll]

I hate to break it to you, but Michael Jackson has been dead for almost a decade. There's no justice to be had with a dead pedophile.

The next best thing is to go after his money, like the Goldman family did with OJ (because of his acquittal). That they could have in court. A nice side benefit is to destroy his legacy, but that is done in the court of public opinion.

I hate to break it to you, but MJ was first accused in 1993 and then again in 2005, where a reoccurring theme was suing Jackson for money.

 

[DForce]

I hate to break it to you, but Michael Jackson has been dead for almost a decade. There's no justice to be had with a dead pedophile.

The next best thing is to go after his money, like the Goldman family did with OJ (because of his acquittal). That they could have in court. A nice side benefit is to destroy his legacy, but that is done in the court of public opinion.

Evidences shows he was not a pedophile. This goes to show you how the public is easily manipulated by two liars. People think he's guilty based on feelings and not facts.

The fact that people keep bring up "evidence" that has been debunked years ago goes to show you that people who are accusing him of being a pedophile don't even bother doing any research.

If your only evidence is that he admitted to sleeping the same bed with kids along with other accusers who have history of lying over and over again, just proves that you and other people who call him a pedophile are basing your opinion on feelings and not facts.

 

[NickFire]

If your only evidence is that he admitted to sleeping the same bed with kids along with other accusers who have history of lying over and over again, just proves that you and other people who call him a pedophile are basing your opinion on feelings and not facts.

Mmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't think it's a stretch to give such an admission significant weight. Sorry, not sorry actually, but an adult sleeping in bed with unrelated / non-adopted children is well beyond what I consider "definitely innocent behavior." If there were some sort of compelling circumstance, like being trapped on a boat with lots of people and limited beds, maybe I'd feel differently. But inviting unrelated kids to your home to share a bed, no, that's very powerful circumstantial evidence of bad things.