Bryank75
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She had her ass covered, she has been involved for years.... since her husbands time in office. Plenty of time to get the chess pieces to where you want them.
Listen to the guys on the ground .... Tanto and the guys.
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We have now gone from "No Collusion!" to "Even if there was collusion its not a big deal!"
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She had her ass covered, she has been involved for years.... since her husbands time in office. Plenty of time to get the chess pieces to where you want them.
Listen to the guys on the ground .... Tanto and the guys.
...Jesus Christ. In what fucking universe was was Libya not a part of the Arab spring? If the US did nothing the uprising would have been violently put down by Gaddafi. The country would essentially be Syria.
Stop filling your head with this childish garbage.
Do Make Say Think
Banned
I want results.
So far years spent investigating her has come up with sweet fuck all. Meanwhile investigation into Trump's campaign has immediately resulted in people pleading guilty.
Those people worked for Trump, lied to the authorities about dealing with Russians during the election. They pleaded guilty once they had nowhere to run.
But yeah, keep beating your drum.
Ancient Gray
Member
I guess I fall in the realm of I don't give a crap about Hillary or Trump and if they're both reprehensible individuals I'd like them both to pay for their crimes. So whenever I hear a "But Hillary did this" argument I'm just like, "Uh...alright?"
My party affiliation doesn't make me ever feel some steadfast obligation to defend everything my party does. I'll never in my lifetime understand the amount of loyalty (of ALL professions) politicians get.
lil puff
Member
It reminds me of the era in baseball during the doping days.
I had some friends who only were mad when it was players on teams they didn't like. On their team? "Well, he got more HRs and it made us better *shrugs"
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JCK75
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According to the NYT the probe is trying to piece together obstruction from old tweets, which means they have nothing..
You understand that life isn't like a movie or television show right?
Bryank75
Banned
Did you watch the video? Do you know all the friendly intel Ghaddafi gave to the US and it’s allies and how he ran quite a progressive country?
Because one of my best friends actually spent years working there...
What the administration did was hand the country to extremist, warring factions. Is that a success in your eyes?
The fact you dismiss the voices of the guys on the ground is reprehensible enough.
Do Make Say Think
they got one guy on money laundering and bank fraud charges.... hardly a smoking gun. Not even anything to do with the case, just leverage and that’s all he really has. How did Clinton get away with using chemicals to destroy computers, phones and other evidence and not get convicted and they are going way beyond their remit to get this guy just for leverage.
All this based on an illegal FISA warrant that was based on a hit piece political document of unverified intel that the provider wasn’t even sure about.... funded by the DNC.
It’s actually disgusting.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Then some called on TV will say something akin "It's good that somebody hacked the election" or whatever.
If Trump will be able to get out of all this current stuff, nothing will be able to sink him.
If Trump will be able to get out of all this current stuff, nothing will be able to sink him.
Dude Abides
Banned
Did you watch the video? Do you know all the friendly intel Ghaddafi gave to the US and it’s allies and how he ran quite a progressive country?
Because one of my best friends actually spent years working there...
What the administration did was hand the country to extremist, warring factions. Is that a success in your eyes?
The fact you dismiss the voices of the guys on the ground is reprehensible enough.
How did Clinton get away with using chemicals to destroy computers, phones and other evidence and not get convicted and they are going way beyond their remit to get this guy just for leverage.
All this based on an illegal FISA warrant that was based on a hit piece political document of unverified intel that the provider wasn’t even sure about.... funded by the DNC.
It’s actually disgusting.
The FBI investigation wasn't based on the Steele dossier. It started because Papadopolous was running his mouth about Russian dirt on Clinton. And the Steele dossier was only a small part of the FISA warrant application.
Your unfamiliarity with the most basic facts surrounding your wild-eyed claims is unfortunate.
infinitys_7th
Member
Let's not say outright that Libya was a progressive country, but relative to the countries around it and the ISIS groups held at bay by Gaddafi it was a much, much better place to live.
But, yeah, there was no such thing as the Arab Spring. It was the Arab Winter - the rise of Wahhabist groups aided by the US and the CIA to help Saudi Arabia. Egypt fought back and won, Libya lost, and Syria is still struggling to overcome while our media ignores the crimes of the rebels and focuses exclusively on Assad's regime to beat the war drums.
Which, btw, Trump was courageous in ignoring.
Cauliflower of Love
Banned
I mean, if you actually read the NYT piece they are not "trying to piece together obstruction from old tweets", they are looking at old tweets as part of their obstruction of justice investigation.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/us/politics/trump-tweets-mueller-obstruction.html
That would mean that you actually read the article you're talking about though.
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infinitys_7th
Member
If only there was actual evidence of conclusion.
Bryank75
Banned
So, you’re saying the whole investigation was based on hearsay.... and the Steele dossier. Where is the credible, hard evidence you’re talking about?
PkunkFury
Member
we won't have evidence of conclusion until we hear that they are ready to close the investigation. As long as they have more to investigate, they won't know when they can conclude
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yes. Because federal investigations have NEVER been started based on hearsay, rumors and private testimony.......lol
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Bryank75
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Which is ridiculous, I mean....they are this desperate to find something!?
It’s an insult to democracy itself.
Cauliflower of Love
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Imagine if federal investigations were held out in in the open. 
It's ridiculous to use official White House statements from POTUS as part of their investigations?
It's ridiculous to use official White House statements from POTUS as part of their investigations?
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NYT is fake news tho
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Funny story on that subject btw Remember how the Washington post is fake news?
So I guess its only fake news when its bad news lol
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Bryank75
Banned
Until Trump, then all rules and morals went out the window, cause they had to get him at any cost. I mean just look at the Strzok messages to have a glimpse into these peoples minds.... that is evidence
Where is yours?
Forthefuture
Banned
It is the classic case of narcissist's prayer:
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did…
You deserved it.
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did…
You deserved it.
infinitys_7th
Member
Which is not evidence of anything, especially as nothing found so far and no indictments so far are collusion related.
Imagine if federal investigations were held out in in the open.
Mueller's leaked like a sieve. He has yet to keep any secrets lmao.
If he actually had anything, all those little famous Monday leaks the Twitterverse lapped up wouldn't have kept hinting that they had something "huge" coming. A real investigation doesn't do that.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
You are kidding right?
Almost nothing current ever comes out of Muellers office. We get hints and rumors about where and what he is looking but its always weeks or even months after the fact. Meanwhile the GOP's own investigation couldn't keep things secret for 24hrs let alone weeks or months lol
I think you have trouble seeing sarcasm....
Bryank75
Banned
Imagine if federal investigations were held out in in the open.
It's ridiculous to use official White House statements from POTUS as part of their investigations?
Of course they are since Rossenstein signed off on a FISA warrant that he shouldn’t have.... because there was illegitimate evidence, he obviously just wants to get Trump on a technicality. Since he can’t actually get him on a real crime.
The president doesn’t order staff over twitter, they are generally just his thoughts.... he has let the investigation go on for what seems like an eternity and never got in its way.
Obstruction literally means to get in the way of.... good luck proving that with (lol) tweets.
infinitys_7th
Member
https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/...investigation-and-the-problems-they-may-cause
http://www.latimes.com/la-ol-enter-the-fray-the-mueller-questions-leak-1525186933-htmlstory.html
Where is this information coming from if not from his team? He has a small team that supposedly "has the best", so if this is the best they can do it is pathetic. Mueller must be a shit leader.
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Cauliflower of Love
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That's quite a bit of conjecture on your part there.
Unless you're part of mueller's team and you're the one leaking!
You know that prosecutors have to share information with defendants, right?
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Bryank75
Banned
That's quite a bit of conjecture on your part there.
Unless you're part of mueller's team and you're the one leaking!
You know that prosecutors have to share information with defendants, right?
No...no.... oh, look over there! (Runs away)
Dude Abides
Banned
It’s an investigation, you see. Law enforcement gets wind of something that sounds dodgy, and then they investigate to find out if it’s true and if there’s additional evidence.
That is how the real world works. I grant that things may be different in the world where people use “chemicals” to destroy computers.
Enygger_Tzu
Banned
So, where is this evidence of this collusion?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
infinitys_7th
Member
That's quite a bit of conjecture on your part there.
Unless you're part of mueller's team and you're the one leaking!
You know that prosecutors have to share information with defendants, right?
Most of that list is not coming from the "defendants".
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infinitys_7th
Member
> Defending Trump
> Call someone else a shit leader
Trump's leadership has killed far, far fewer people than Mueller did with the Iraq War he supported.
Wonder how much money he got from Blackwater for that testimony? Maybe a deep-sea fishing trip with Cheney and McCain?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
You do realize how completely and totally flawed this line of thinking is right?
Okay now you are just trolling. Come on man lol
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infinitys_7th
Member
You mean asking for evidence before believing something?
Did you support the Iraq War just because Mueller said Saddam was a mean guy?
Nope, 100% serious.
He was just another cog spinning to put money in the MIC's pockets. Another person facilitating the MIC's parasitism on the taxpayer and their profiting off phony wars.
Those companies treat politicians and unelected government officials lavishly.
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Silas Lang
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Umm the second article implied that they didn't even think Mueller would leak it:
"If the leak came from Mueller’s side, the point might be to raise public pressure on Trump to answer questions that people would really like answered. It also might be to goad Trump to answer them publicly, possibly in ways that contradicted what Mueller’s investigators had learned privately. But despite the assertions on the GOP side, Mueller’s team doesn’t seem like the prime suspect here for the simple reason that it doesn’t have as much to gain from the leak as Trump’s team does."
You realized these questions were given to his lawyers who likely leaked it, right? Pretty much all of the info we get from the investigation is due to leaks from the defendants.
infinitys_7th
Member
"She didn't destroy her phone with a hammer! Her aide did on her orders! Totally different!"
"Al Capone didn't kill anyone! He just had his capos do it!"
The absolute state of """""fact-checking""""".
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PkunkFury
Member
I'm not sure what you are arguing. You don't believe evidence of conclusion will be absent until they are ready to wrap up the investigation?
infinitys_7th
Member
The first has several of the sources being noted as being "close to the investigation". That's not the defendant side.
Also, the defendant side is not the "GOP-side". Think of me as Snopes dropping that actual fact-check on you. There is no evidence that wrong-doing went beyond Russian nationals and the Podesta Group, the latter of which occurred almost a decade ago.
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Cauliflower of Love
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Lawyers for defendants are (I would hope) pretty close to the investigation of their clients.
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infinitys_7th
Member
Lawyers for the defendant aren't part of the "investigation".
Nor would they be in scope to say the investigation was designed to intimidate. That's authority-side.
Silas Lang
Member
'Former federal prosecutor Seth Waxman has seen no evidence that these leaks—often sourced to people familiar with the investigation or briefed on it—have come directly from Mueller or his staff. When Mueller has spoken publicly, it has been through criminal complaints and indictments."
"In many cases, leaks have come after information was shared with parties outside the special counsel’s office through witness interviews, briefings, or subpoenas. Mueller has no control over what DOJ officials, witnesses, or private attorneys do with such information after they receive it."
From the first one. Thanks for the sources!
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Bryank75
Banned
Nawww, Giuliani just got high cause he knew Trump was in the clear... that’s how sure he is.
infinitys_7th
Member
How would he know, versus the people actually involved?
Appeal to authority. He has no way of having knowledge of the investigation, unless the investigation was leaking to him to give him that knowledge.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
infinitys_7th
Member
So what do you think Iraq was? An honest, good-intentioned mistake?
As a certain Tennessee Democrat said, it was playing on our fears in the wake of 9/11. The connections between Cheney and McCain and all those who promoted the war and the MIC are plain to anyone who looks into it.
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danielberg
Neophyte
The investigation was started by democrats colluding with russians and producing a slanderous document they then leaked to get a yahoo news article (lol) the worthless traitors in the fbi then took the document to a fisa court keept there mouth shut where it came from and used the yahoo news (lol) article along with the garbage they produce to get a fisa warrant to spy on trumps campaign.
That isnt just bullshit and possible a crime, that is literally a attempt at a coup against a sitting president cause all of this was started with NOTHING.