Well I wrote that before I knew he was gone
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Well I wrote that before I knew he was gone
You would know about idiotic reasoning.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
So with the mod kill in mind:
Why would you even suggest that?!?
There is no reason for a no Lynch after a mod kill, think if ando being dead as the night 0 that was supposed to happen.
Why would you even suggest that?!?
But you got those votes from your anti-town behavior...
Style, I know you. Better than anyone else in this game by a long shot. And I know you're not the aggressive type. If you lose your cool over something as simple as a "What do you think?" question, then what good are you to the town? How do we know you're not going to lead us in circles at a key moment? I stand by what I said to Flux earlier about looking at it from the angle of who is most useful to town, and right now I don't think you're all that particularly useful out of the people who are posting. And seeing as Andodalf just got modkilled...
VOTE: Style
Can we please get more of an explanation than "idiotic reasons" for the love of all that is holy in this world?
NX nightmares. We killed more than one on D1, and also the weird game with salva/blarg which ended up killing a whole load of townies.
Well you clearly don't know me well enough if you think I'm scum.
No. We have no evidence other than intuition and PR. If you want me to explain my intuition to you, LOL. We can play that all day, and with scum outnumbering town it will be trivialized (as it is now). If you want me to explain a PR to you, maybe we should take a closer look at you.
Look back on Aldo posts and who chased his death, it looks very much like scum finding a scapegoat to take the subject off Flux. That's enough for me.
Look back on Aldo posts and who chased his death, it looks very much like scum finding a scapegoat to take the subject off Flux. That's enough for me.
StarSketch
Banned
Ok, so on the table right now is:
Darryl (For being hyper aggressive and not explaining)
Flux (for retaliating against Darryl and being oddly active for a newbie)
Style (For barely contributing/parroting and being defensive despite being a newbie)
Anod got modkilled, flipped town. Who was going after him?
Darryl (For being hyper aggressive and not explaining)
Flux (for retaliating against Darryl and being oddly active for a newbie)
Style (For barely contributing/parroting and being defensive despite being a newbie)
Anod got modkilled, flipped town. Who was going after him?
StarSketch
Banned
lol ninjaed
CornBurrito
Member
I don't really think Darryl is on the table. We've had two or three posters muse about voting Darryl out, but only under the condition that we do so if Flux flips town if/when we vote Flux out. Which is bad reasoning anyway.
Ultron is a smart guy, in my experience, and his inability to deduce Aldo's motivations as seen in the above comment strike me as reaching to maintain an appearance of activity. Aldo should not have been such a distraction for any one actually trying to root out scum, instead it is borderline bullying new players to take heat and occupy the conversation.
Et tu, Starsketch?
CornBurrito
Member
I thought they might be in cahoots, until Flux voted for Ando and began pushing for an Ando vote. Did not really not change your mind?
I didn't really pay attention to the pushing for getting Ando lynched. Why do you think I'm parroting? I barely pay attention. :>
CornBurrito
Member
Style you're acting weird as fuck.
I'm leaning towards trusting Darryl's intuition and going after Flux today, but you....
I'm leaning towards trusting Darryl's intuition and going after Flux today, but you....
CornBurrito
Member
What the...
You gotta pay attention to this sort of stuff lol. That's how town wins games.
And I don't think I said you were parroting.
Ok umm... yeah. Sorry.
Vote: Style
StarSketch
Banned
I'm just saying what was on the board. I'm honestly not going to go after you for that given how I had the exact same thing happen to me during Gafia. Newbie jitters suck.
That's just how I am. :V
What's even worse than the newbie jitter is people telling me I'm weird when I always act like this. I mean... thanks I guess?
I wanted to hear him explain why this was a thing. I could easily figure out the likely possible reasons for it, but hearing the person themselves explain it is far more valuable. Conversation is the whole reason we have a long day phase instead of a Town of Salem style 30 second vote.
Yeah, I was wrong on Aldo. That's fine. No apologies. I explained my reasons and they were valid at the time.
This list is adorable. Apparently everyone that dares to disagree with Darryl is scum and almost the entire scum team decided that Flux and the day 1 vote was the hill to die on.
I really expect more out of you, Ultron. Calling my list "adorable", that's ridiculous belittling. "Anyone who disagrees with me is scum". Explain that. There are a lot of people who don't agree with me right now, it isn't just you and Flux. Now explain how what you just said was anything besides ad hominem.
You know what's belittling? I was chewed out for not participating enough, and when I did you guys call me parrot. Said person who chewed me out off-site is even voting for me now. Now I'm even told I'm weird?
You're literally digging a grave for all the villagers right now. I can't tell if you're being stupid or playing for the scums interest.
You're literally digging a grave for all the villagers right now. I can't tell if you're being stupid or playing for the scums interest.
Don't worry about it. You can't take anything too personally in this game. Just keep trying.
CornBurrito
Member
My Current Reads List (for those who stand out to me right now)
Town
Sophia - Leaning slightly towards neutral; she hasn't really taken any hard stances or done much of note, but she's been logical this whole time and has provided to the discussion (#494). Seems to be operating with little knowledge, as members of the Town reasonably would, with an open-mind that will shift based on what happens.
Terrabyte20xx - This one's just a gut feeling. I think he has our interests in mind, and he's prodded people for replies several times (#578) and called out people when appropriate (#533 + #596)
Neutral
Darryl - Makes nonsense arguments (#195) and unsubstantiated aggression (#439) that some people seem to go with without questioning because that's apparently their modus operandi (#198). I'd normally associate this with being blatant scum tells, but I'm starting to think they might just be a lunatic. Either way, like I thought, they have too much sway with other people and that is highly dangerous when they don't actually know what they're doing. Guys, don't follow lunatics, come on. At least try to get better formulated arguments from them.
Style - Don't know what the hell is going on with this person. They're not making sense (#581), they constantly ignored what other people were saying to make it seem like they were a victim (#614), they've made an obvious contradiction to antagonize me (#584), and they just haven't provided much of value to the discussion despite being prodded repeatedly. Do they just not know what's happening, or what they're meant to do?
Werewolf
Timeaisis - Look back since the beginning of this thread. They have actually done nothing to advance the discussion, starting with "I don't have anything substantial to add to the discussion right this second" (#227) and that continuing after two real-time days (#596). Their only point of particular fascination this whole time is why no one died on N0 (#126 + #338 + #399). Agrees with ultron87and I should add that they state that theirs was the "first decent argument I've heard all day"and specifically states that they were going to vote for Andodalf, but didn't because they were afraid of bandwagoning. (#588) Andodalf is mod killed and proven to be town; immediately agrees with what Darryl is saying without actually posting their own analysis again (#660) while half-heartedly defending ultron.
batsnacks - Gut feeling. Not sure why, either, but there's something about the way they're posting that doesn't sit right with me.
Town
Sophia - Leaning slightly towards neutral; she hasn't really taken any hard stances or done much of note, but she's been logical this whole time and has provided to the discussion (#494). Seems to be operating with little knowledge, as members of the Town reasonably would, with an open-mind that will shift based on what happens.
Terrabyte20xx - This one's just a gut feeling. I think he has our interests in mind, and he's prodded people for replies several times (#578) and called out people when appropriate (#533 + #596)
Neutral
Darryl - Makes nonsense arguments (#195) and unsubstantiated aggression (#439) that some people seem to go with without questioning because that's apparently their modus operandi (#198). I'd normally associate this with being blatant scum tells, but I'm starting to think they might just be a lunatic. Either way, like I thought, they have too much sway with other people and that is highly dangerous when they don't actually know what they're doing. Guys, don't follow lunatics, come on. At least try to get better formulated arguments from them.
Style - Don't know what the hell is going on with this person. They're not making sense (#581), they constantly ignored what other people were saying to make it seem like they were a victim (#614), they've made an obvious contradiction to antagonize me (#584), and they just haven't provided much of value to the discussion despite being prodded repeatedly. Do they just not know what's happening, or what they're meant to do?
Werewolf
Timeaisis - Look back since the beginning of this thread. They have actually done nothing to advance the discussion, starting with "I don't have anything substantial to add to the discussion right this second" (#227) and that continuing after two real-time days (#596). Their only point of particular fascination this whole time is why no one died on N0 (#126 + #338 + #399). Agrees with ultron87and I should add that they state that theirs was the "first decent argument I've heard all day"and specifically states that they were going to vote for Andodalf, but didn't because they were afraid of bandwagoning. (#588) Andodalf is mod killed and proven to be town; immediately agrees with what Darryl is saying without actually posting their own analysis again (#660) while half-heartedly defending ultron.
batsnacks - Gut feeling. Not sure why, either, but there's something about the way they're posting that doesn't sit right with me.
Let's look at the scum-neutral ranks on your chart. They either disagree with you on Flux or have voted for you.
Votes for you:
RNH - Flux is responding naturally. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186375035&postcount=580
Cabot - Flux is town. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186357974&postcount=575 Combative with you in general.
Xam - Seems to support flux because he thinks he is a power role or something? (I think that comment was pretty suspicous, honestly, so I might agree with you there. And supporting me for no reason is odd. Shrug.) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186317102&postcount=507
QB - Not a ton here, because he hasn't posted much, so I'll concede on that. There was the start of the game vote, though.
This is seriously it, I don't know how to play the game, damn it. I've said multiple times I'm a newbie. Don't ruin it for the rest of the villagers because I play lousy.
For one, stop repeating that you're a newbie as if we should hand wave everything you do. I'm a newbie. Sophia's a newbie. Andodalf was a newbie. Repeating it like it's an ultimate excuse does the opposite of what you want it to.
You can't just stretch my scum chart and called people I called neutral, scum. That's my chart, don't play around with it. Not to mention the huge flaw in your argument. There are people out there who disagree with me who are not on the list at all.
Maybe I'm onto something here? I think getting rid of Flux will give us the most information, as everyone has put out an opinion on him. Maybe after another night, I'll have yet another target for us to chase.
Maybe I'm onto something here? I think getting rid of Flux will give us the most information, as everyone has put out an opinion on him. Maybe after another night, I'll have yet another target for us to chase.
Yeah, information like getting rid of you asap?
CornBurrito
Member
I disagree.
Lets say Flux flips town, how do we differentiate between:
A) People who thought he was legitimate scum
B) Mafia members pretending to think he was legitimate scum in order to bandwagon a villager
C) People who thought he was legitimate town
D) Mafia members who knew he was town
If he flips scum how do we differentiate between:
A) People who thought he was legitimate scum
B) Mafia members "thinking" he was scum as to avoid suspicions if Flux flipped scum
C) People who thought he was legitimate town
D) Mafia members "thinking" he was town as a means to protect a teammate.
If we're voting for Flux, we're doing it because we think he is scum. I don't think his death will provide a great deal of information.
CornBurrito
Member
Almost forgot.
UNVOTE: Style
Please do try to pay more attention to what people post though Styles. That's
Really how we win games, isn't it?
UNVOTE: Style
Please do try to pay more attention to what people post though Styles. That's
Really how we win games, isn't it?
It looks to me like he is using you as a scape goat, just like Aldo.
Don't think Flux is scum, I think if he were his teammates would've reigned him in, but his reaction to getting accused was definitely strong and reminded me a bit of my own in the Archer game, where I was neutral and reacted in a strong manner to getting accused. He's new to the game though if I'm not mistaken, so I'm not going to hold it against him (for now).
No way. It would have been a huge tell if his behavior changed.
He isn't a good player. He pressured some new townie so far, he's proven so far to be absolutely useless. All his posts are defensive attempts to save his life.
Look at all this friction! No one wants him dead. There's 3-4 mafia players watching this who just want a dead body, yet no one is committing.
CornBurrito
Member
I think you may be taking this a bit too far. That's really unfair to Flux regardless of his alignment.
Lollipop Dave
Member
VOTE: FluxWaveZ
Because the other guy got banned and I might forget to vote tomorrow. And my view has changed on Flux completely, the constant squabble between the two has made me so uncertain that I think it's worth voting on.
More to come?
Because the other guy got banned and I might forget to vote tomorrow. And my view has changed on Flux completely, the constant squabble between the two has made me so uncertain that I think it's worth voting on.
More to come?