CornBurrito
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This is actually somewhat of a solid point. But I take the hesitance as there still being a lot of time in the day left. Even when a target is clear people tend to vote last day or last minute.
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This is actually somewhat of a solid point. But I take the hesitance as there still being a lot of time in the day left. Even when a target is clear people tend to vote last day or last minute.
I think you may be taking this a bit too far. That's really unfair to Flux regardless of his alignment.
I'll leave the feel good stuff for the post game. This is a game about lying.
I'll leave the feel good stuff for the post game. This is a game about lying.
Question: Am I a new player?
Question: Am I a new player?
How would I know, what does it matter, and how does this help find scum?
How would I know, what does it matter, and how does this help find scum?
Repeating the Question: Am I a new player?
I'll leave the feel good stuff for the post game. This is a game about lying.
Yet you took the time to tell me feel good stuff. Was that to manipulate me on your side?
Alright, all players: note the above exchange. Then note the following:
Stop thinking that Darryl is infallible. They're not.
I fixated on the new player because he was an anamoly and I tried to see if he would slip if pressured, which he did.
He's a new player trying to find roots. Anyone deflecting obto him is red flag scum
Aldo should not have been such a distraction for any one actually trying to root out scum, instead it is borderline bullying new players to take heat and occupy the conversation.
He isn't a good player. He pressured some new townie so far, he's proven so far to be absolutely useless. All his posts are defensive attempts to save his life.
Stop thinking that Darryl is infallible. They're not.
CornBurrito
Member
How would I know, what does it matter, and how does this help find scum?
1. It is right in the OP. How did you know Ando was new?
2. Because you kept giving one player BoTD for being new but not the other.
Yet you took the time to tell me feel good stuff. Was that to manipulate me on your side?
I'm telling you to keep playing the game. CB is trying to make my messages to flux personal by telling me I'm going too far, which is really fucked up. All my messages are fully contained within the game and are not personal.
1. It is right in the OP. How did you know Ando was new?
2. Because you kept giving one player BoTD for being new but not the other.
I have no clue if Flux has ever played mafia before, just that he is new to gaf mafia. He clearly knows what he's doing, whilst Aldo didn't. My first mafia game was on gaf, so I know how he felt.
To be fair it says in the OP that Flux is new to the GAF Mafia, but not if it's the first time that he played the game.
Explain the hypocrisy and contradictions I have outlined above, then.
CornBurrito
Member
To be fair it says in the OP that Flux is new to the GAF Mafia, but not if it's the first time that he played the game.
Darryl also literally stated he focused on "the new player" in reference to Flux.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186211925&postcount=281
I don't think Darryl is scum. But idk what the fuck he's doing.
I have no clue if Flux has ever played mafia before, just that he is new to gaf mafia. He clearly knows what he's doing, whilst Aldo didn't. My first mafia game was on gaf, so I know how he felt.
I clearly know what I'm doing, so that's why you accuse me of not knowing what I'm doing? Man, your logic is the best.
CornBurrito
Member
I have no clue if Flux has ever played mafia before, just that he is new to gaf mafia. He clearly knows what he's doing, whilst Aldo didn't. My first mafia game was on gaf, so I know how he felt.
Ah that makes significantly more sense.
Darryl, I'll say this again. I don't believe you are mafia.
Personally, I'm of the opinion you are town aligned. I trust you enough to vote Flux.
Really though, calling someone a shit player seems to be a bit more than simple trash talk.
I'd also play devil's advocate and say that Flux arguing in self defense isn't anti-town. If Flux is town, keeping himself alive and convincing us of his townness lowers the pool of suspects we have. That's good for town.
I'm still likely to vote for Flux though.
Darryl also literally stated he focused on "the new player" in reference to Flux.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=186211925&postcount=281
I don't think Darryl is scum. But idk what the fuck he's doing.
Yes. The new gaf mafia player. Just because you're new to gaf mafia, doesn't mean you don't know how to play mafia. Look at batsnacks, jesus. This is such a ridiculous tangent.
Explain the hypocrisy and contradictions I have outlined above, then.
What would he get for looking out for Ando though? We already know Ando was a true villager.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
New or not new should really not matter honestly. There are some considerations to be made when you deal with newbies, but in the end it should have no impact on if you feel one person is scum or not.
Where is everyone else, why have we devolved back to this argument AGAIN! Seriously, we get it, Flux/Darryl is scum and can't be trusted. We can vote on that when the time comes around, but I'd like to have some thing to look at tomorrow besides just whoever comes out this alive.
Shame on all the townies who are ignoreing this issue, because scum will let this get milked for all it's worth, especially if neither of them are wolf.
Where is everyone else, why have we devolved back to this argument AGAIN! Seriously, we get it, Flux/Darryl is scum and can't be trusted. We can vote on that when the time comes around, but I'd like to have some thing to look at tomorrow besides just whoever comes out this alive.
Shame on all the townies who are ignoreing this issue, because scum will let this get milked for all it's worth, especially if neither of them are wolf.
What would he get for looking out for Ando though? We already know Ando was a true villager.
*sigh* I don't know why I bothered. Let me put it simply: Explain why Darryl believed one player was completely new to mafia, while believing the other wasn't.
Yes. The new gaf mafia player. Just because you're new to gaf mafia, doesn't mean you don't know how to play mafia. Look at batsnacks, jesus. This is such a ridiculous tangent.
I've never played mafia of any form before, so stop making stuff up. Either you accept that yours is an assumption and not fact, or you accept the hypocrisy in believing one new player to be completely new while the other wasn't.
Where is everyone else, why have we devolved back to this argument AGAIN! Seriously, we get it, Flux/Darryl is scum and can't be trusted. We can vote on that when the time comes around, but I'd like to have some thing to look at tomorrow besides just whoever comes out this alive.
I told you this before: I will end up being lynched and I welcome it but, in the same breath, you have to lynch Darryl immediately when it happens. Town or not, it doesn't matter.
This is going to end up being the loop of "whatever Flux flips as won't tell us much" again, but Darryl will be our downfall, and I am saying this in advance so that you guys don't make the mistake of deliberating when the time comes.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Do we have a day vig? Because if we did I would welcome them to shoot one these two, we vote on the other so we can move on from this madness.
VOTE: MattyG
VOTE: MattyG
*sigh* I don't know why I bothered. Let me put it simply: Explain why Darryl believed one player was completely new to mafia, while believing the other wasn't.
I've never played mafia of any form before, so stop making stuff up. Either you accept that yours is an assumption and not fact, or you accept the hypocrisy in believing one new player to be completely new while the other wasn't.
He knew you were both new to GAF Mafia, but you've clearly played this game tons of times?
He knew you were both new to GAF Mafia, but you've clearly played this game tons of times?
...Style, are you doing this on purpose, or what? Why do you repeatedly ignore things that are right in front of you?
If it's too much to read the second line in your quote, here's the second time I've made a reference to my GAFia submission in this thread, which is eligible because it's relevant:
I've never played one of these before, but they certainly sound fascinating. I was glancing at the Danganronpa one while it was happening. Though it fundamentally sounds simple from everything I read in the OP, it still does seem overwhelming. Regardless, I'd be up for participating in this one. I'm good at following rules, anyways.
Septimus Prime
Member
For what it's worth, I don't get much of a scum vibe from Style. I remember my first game, my own misunderstanding of the rules led to people suspecting me of being scum. Let's see how things develop in a few days.
I told you this before: I will end up being lynched and I welcome it but, in the same breath, you have to lynch Darryl immediately when it happens. Town or not, it doesn't matter.
This is going to end up being the loop of "whatever Flux flips as won't tell us much" again, but Darryl will be our downfall, and I am saying this in advance so that you guys don't make the mistake of deliberating when the time comes.
Think about it like this, Flux. What do we get if we lynch either of you and the flip is town? Not much, I reckon. Except probably animosity towards the other person. I think we can all agree that benefits the wolves more than it benefits us, yes? I don't think there's any reason, for this day at least, to keep going back in circles like this between the two of you. Lets move on.
CornBurrito
Member
Vote:Cabot
I don't think this will be counted due to the lack of space between : and Cabot.
Also I'm not against a Cabot lynch, but all I had was an odd feeling about him. Can you expand a bit?
Think about it like this, Flux. What do we get if we lynch either of you and the flip is town? Not much, I reckon. Except probably animosity towards the other person. I think we can all agree that benefits the wolves more than it benefits us, yes? I don't think there's any reason, for this day at least, to keep going back in circles like this between the two of you. Lets move on.
I'm not doing this again, but my position is cemented: when I am lynched, lynch Darryl. Don't wanna do it? Won't mean much to me; I'll be dead. But if you want Town to lose by keeping Darryl around, be my guest. It might even be more entertaining to watch that happen from the outside when the deed is done.
And you brought it up again; I only reply when I'm instigated.
QuantumBro
Banned
If it's too much to read the second line in your quote, here's the second time I've made a reference to my GAFia submission in this thread, which is eligible because it's relevant:
You did this again. Why did you do this again?
Vote: FluxWaveZ
I don't think this will be counted due to the lack of space between : and Cabot.
Also I'm not against a Cabot lynch, but all I had was an odd feeling about him. Can you expand a bit?
He trusted Flux very quick, like after he had just made a few posts that weren't exceptionally high quality. He looks like he is posturing himself for when Flux flips town.
The bad vibes I've gotten off Ultron and Cabot during this far outweigh how I feel about Flux. I would much rather see those two dead.
Xamtheking
Member
VOTE: Cabot
I semi-trust darrly
I semi-trust darrly
Xamtheking
Member
Still not going to edit
I respect yeeny too much to do that
VOTE: Cabot
I still semi-trust Darrly
I respect yeeny too much to do that
VOTE: Cabot
I still semi-trust Darrly
Still not going to edit
I respect yeeny too much to do that
VOTE: Cabot
I still semi-trust Darrly
You semi-trust Darryl, so that's why you're just going to follow in his footsteps? Why are you voting cabot?
Vote:Cabot
Great, I'm glad I had to sit through your little shouting match with Flux all for it not to matter because you're going for me again.
He trusted Flux very quick, like after he had just made a few posts that weren't exceptionally high quality. He looks like he is posturing himself for when Flux flips town.
The bad vibes I've gotten off Ultron and Cabot during this far outweigh how I feel about Flux. I would much rather see those two dead.
My feelings on Flux are no more weaker than yours. I see myself in Flux, when I started in Archer, I had squidy on my ass relatively quickly so I went on the defensive, I can see a town player who is reacting to being put under massive pressure, you came out the gates on him hard as sin. I'm not apologising for my read when you haven't for yours.
Still not going to edit
I respect yeeny too much to do that
VOTE: Cabot
I still semi-trust Darrly
so semi-trust means blindly following him?
Cool. I've got a semi reading all these shit reasons.
I believe very strongly that we should not get rid of the most active player (flux) on the first day.
I'm confused, I thought you were with Darryl and said his reads made sense, this flip flop seems out of nowhere?
I'm confused, I thought you were with Darryl and said his reads made sense, this flip flop seems out of nowhere?
I'm not flip flopping I've defended flux consistently for his high activity. I also don't agree with Darryl about evicting you and I was surprised when Darryl voted you. I do think Darryl is playing well though... Darryl's reads have been the main topic of discussion throughout the day. I also think I pointed out that since a lot of Darryl's reads were Ando-voters they are probably in the right place. So I'm "with" Darryl but I'm not "with" evicting flux or you if that makes sense.
I'm not flip flopping I've defended flux consistently for his high activity. I also don't agree with Darryl about evicting you and I was surprised when Darryl voted you. I do think Darryl is playing well though... Darryl's reads have been the main topic of discussion throughout the day. I also think I pointed out that since a lot of Darryl's reads were Ando-voters they are probably in the right place. So I'm "with" Darryl but I'm not "with" evicting flux or you if that makes sense.
Fair enough, it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
I feel like we're doing the wrong thing by letting darryl 'scumhunt' his way through active contributers in D1.
I sound like a broken record, I say this in every game, but on day one going after the active posters is a mistake. They can slip up at any point in the game because they talk and talk. It's why I won't vote Flux, it's why I won't vote Darryl. These players are benefitting the discussion currently, and that's okay.
The only way I would buck the trend is if I read serious scum from someone's reaction, or if it's clear the person leading the hunt has actual information (ie from a PR). I thought this was perhaps the case with Darryl vs Flux, but the fact he has so quickly changed his tune over to me has made me believe this is all on his hunch, and nothing more. I would have voted Ando because I read scum from his decision to essentially force a do or die gambit between Darryl and Flux on day fucking one. It was a nonsense play.
There are people here who have been essentially dead weight, that are getting by without much suspicion thrown. Instead we're picking off at people that are trying to get things going, prodding and discussing issues as they arise instead of hiding behind no posts.
MattyG, StarSketch, LollipopDave, QuestionBro, Rolanderson have less than ten posts so far.
ultron, Time, Topo, Septimus, Xamtheking have less than 20 posts.
I'd say Time, Topo and ultron have contributed enough to at least not attract bare suspicion, but that's seven remaining that have coasted by doing very little, without any sort of appropriate pressure because we're too busy attacking each other at the top.
That is shit.
VOTE: MattyG
thoughts, top town/scum, feelings on the Darryl vs Flux/me/ultron, whatever. Come on.
I sound like a broken record, I say this in every game, but on day one going after the active posters is a mistake. They can slip up at any point in the game because they talk and talk. It's why I won't vote Flux, it's why I won't vote Darryl. These players are benefitting the discussion currently, and that's okay.
The only way I would buck the trend is if I read serious scum from someone's reaction, or if it's clear the person leading the hunt has actual information (ie from a PR). I thought this was perhaps the case with Darryl vs Flux, but the fact he has so quickly changed his tune over to me has made me believe this is all on his hunch, and nothing more. I would have voted Ando because I read scum from his decision to essentially force a do or die gambit between Darryl and Flux on day fucking one. It was a nonsense play.
There are people here who have been essentially dead weight, that are getting by without much suspicion thrown. Instead we're picking off at people that are trying to get things going, prodding and discussing issues as they arise instead of hiding behind no posts.
MattyG, StarSketch, LollipopDave, QuestionBro, Rolanderson have less than ten posts so far.
ultron, Time, Topo, Septimus, Xamtheking have less than 20 posts.
I'd say Time, Topo and ultron have contributed enough to at least not attract bare suspicion, but that's seven remaining that have coasted by doing very little, without any sort of appropriate pressure because we're too busy attacking each other at the top.
That is shit.
VOTE: MattyG
thoughts, top town/scum, feelings on the Darryl vs Flux/me/ultron, whatever. Come on.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
I feel like we're doing the wrong thing by letting darryl 'scumhunt' his way through active contributers in D1.
I sound like a broken record, I say this in every game, but on day one going after the active posters is a mistake. They can slip up at any point in the game because they talk and talk. It's why I won't vote Flux, it's why I won't vote Darryl. These players are benefitting the discussion currently, and that's okay.
The only way I would buck the trend is if I read serious scum from someone's reaction, or if it's clear the person leading the hunt has actual information (ie from a PR). I thought this was perhaps the case with Darryl vs Flux, but the fact he has so quickly changed his tune over to me has made me believe this is all on his hunch, and nothing more. I would have voted Ando because I read scum from his decision to essentially force a do or die gambit between Darryl and Flux on day fucking one. It was a nonsense play.
There are people here who have been essentially dead weight, that are getting by without much suspicion thrown. Instead we're picking off at people that are trying to get things going, prodding and discussing issues as they arise instead of hiding behind no posts.
MattyG, StarSketch, LollipopDave, QuestionBro, Rolanderson have less than ten posts so far.
ultron, Time, Topo, Septimus, Xamtheking have less than 20 posts.
I'd say Time, Topo and ultron have contributed enough to at least not attract bare suspicion, but that's seven remaining that have coasted by doing very little, without any sort of appropriate pressure because we're too busy attacking each other at the top.
That is shit.
VOTE: MattyG
thoughts, top town/scum, feelings on the Darryl vs Flux/me/ultron, whatever. Come on.
Any reason MattyG specifically over any of the others, or was it just random?
Dave said he was going to be posting more today, since he's been phone posting over the weekend. I ain't moving my vote off him until that happens.
Xamtheking
Member
You semi-trust Darryl, so that's why you're just going to follow in his footsteps? Why are you voting cabot?
I've had my suspicions of cabot since before Darryl came on the sceneMy feelings on Flux are no more weaker than yours. I see myself in Flux, when I started in Archer, I had squidy on my ass relatively quickly so I went on the defensive, I can see a town player who is reacting to being put under massive pressure, you came out the gates on him hard as sin. I'm not apologising for my read when you haven't for yours.
so semi-trust means blindly following him?
Cool. I've got a semi reading all these shit reasons.
And I wouldn't like Flux to get lynched
Any reason MattyG specifically over any of the others, or was it just random?
Dave said he was going to be posting more today, since he's been phone posting over the weekend. I ain't moving my vote off him until that happens.
MattyG was the next one in the list after Rolanderson with 3 posts.
Lollipop Dave
Member
Dave said he was going to be posting more today, since he's been phone posting over the weekend. I ain't moving my vote off him until that happens.
Honestly, I wish I could. But since going to sleep and waking up the leads seem to have been resolved and everything else is just going in circles. Flux I believe is town, Darryl is being an arse but every town has one so I think he's on our side too.
I'm honestly surprised Andodalf was one of us, he was the only person who I legitimately felt was scum. Everyone is it's just a 'umm, could be I guess feeling.
It's almost lunch time and I'll read in more depth but it's looking like a no lynch or just a random vote from me (Which I'd rather avoid if we can get a wolf day one!), unless someone slips and gets suspicious.
I dare post what I'm thinking in full detail because it'll just be seen as 'parroting' and I've seen how well that's working out for Style.
Here's every post you've made on someone before you voted on me:
I'm not even mentioned once.
This is the single post where you directly interact with me:
You've clearly shown your weariness and suspicion there, chum.
Darryl seems like he's either scum or a power role
VOTE: Darryl
Even if you are good, I think you need to slow down
I'm suspicious of Flux(Then again, I'm suspicious about everybody)
I have no opinion on RobotNinjaHornets
I like Ultron87
UNVOTE: Darryl
I have my suspicions that Flux is a power role
It's just an instinct, I could be wrong about Ultron (and you)
Additionally, just because I like someone doesn't mean I am not suspicious of them
This early in the game, the only people I trust are the ones 6 feet under
I don't know about you
Time seems ok, but I'm not sure
I still think ultron is cool
I'm not even mentioned once.
This is the single post where you directly interact with me:
It's a fine balance of both collecting enough information to help the town and simultaneously trying to lay as low as possible
You've clearly shown your weariness and suspicion there, chum.
CornBurrito
Member
I've had my suspicions of cabot since before Darryl came on the scene
And I wouldn't like Flux to get lynched
Could you link which posts made you suspicious?