I just relayed this theory to my housemate and she literally screamed.
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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I just relayed this theory to my housemate and she literally screamed.
Shambalakan
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I have thoughts about Bernard being a robot after those dreams about his son, but wow! The last 10 minutes of this episode were outstanding.
And Anthony Hopkins is AMAZING!
And Anthony Hopkins is AMAZING!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
shira
Member
Rofl Vanity Fair already in with Bernarnold
Wasn't there a scene where Theresa was in a conference with someone speaking Chinese?
I think it's a bit of stretch to say the park is in China, but I wouldn't be surprised if China was THE super power of Earth and Delos is a Chinese owned company.
oh shit
Chuck Norris
Banned
I wonder if that test is after the escape of Maeve, with the rail being the connection to the nearest city shown? A sort of testing if any of the hosts will escape
YesNOnoNOYes
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i liked parts of that episode
hopkins slayed, as usual. tbh, his bits elevated the show by a marked distinction.
bernard's arc is as predicted by many. but he acted and delivered it well, i think
wasn't feeling dolores and william at all this week, their part feels somewhat weaker in comparison to ford/bernard/theresa/miss hale stuff
and still not quite buying maeve's arc. i donno. elsie has picked up on recording of some tech having sex with the hosts but maeve seems to have been up and down to the butcher's room and no one ever picked up? maybe if it was once or twice, okay, but seems like there's longer duration of time and frequency for her abberations with the butchers to have been at least detected by someone.
also i noticed that the two butchers' names are based on cartoon cats. felix the cat and sylvester from tweety and sylvester. kinda lol.
good episode. hopkins is such a treat <3
hopkins slayed, as usual. tbh, his bits elevated the show by a marked distinction.
bernard's arc is as predicted by many. but he acted and delivered it well, i think
wasn't feeling dolores and william at all this week, their part feels somewhat weaker in comparison to ford/bernard/theresa/miss hale stuff
and still not quite buying maeve's arc. i donno. elsie has picked up on recording of some tech having sex with the hosts but maeve seems to have been up and down to the butcher's room and no one ever picked up? maybe if it was once or twice, okay, but seems like there's longer duration of time and frequency for her abberations with the butchers to have been at least detected by someone.
also i noticed that the two butchers' names are based on cartoon cats. felix the cat and sylvester from tweety and sylvester. kinda lol.
good episode. hopkins is such a treat <3
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
it seems to be situated on a land size as big as a natural park. probably would cost a pretty penny. the maintenance and upkeep alone would be quite staggering, i think.
....pretty, though
It reminds me of digital devil saga lol
Poimandres
Member
I liked it. That's the "well damn!" moment, and combined with the music set up a sense of dread and tension for the next scene with the revelation to Bernard himself.
Angelus Errare
Banned
That doesn't necessarily mean she's a host. It could mean all the rooms are bugged, or even when the hosts are deactivated he can still listen in.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
It sounded like the whole package to me. With that line about 'the skin on your back' being telling about what would happen to Maeve if she were to leave (probably dissolve or some other precaution against rogue hosts).
Tthere would be no good reason why management would hire horny young men to do what hosts could do too. Oh wait, I just figured what the reason is: the hosts would question their dream if they were in that position, like Maeve has. So, at least we know that the butchers must be humans then.
I know it would be on the nose, but something should probably have established that more rigidly. The only thing they had was the one butcher say "I'm human" in dialogue, but that's not really enough to set the rule, I think.
@China stuff: that's probably more a Crichton reference than a location clue. Crichton believed back in the 70's and 80's that Japan would basically be taking over global economy and inserted that in pretty much every book of his, until the Japanese economy tanked in the 90's.
It's not on Earth, due to the fact that "there are no animals in Westword, except flies". And if it were on Earth, as Crichton did point out, life would find a way. Flies that may travel along with humans on their skin and / or clothing have entered Westworld (probably in the early stage), but the notable exclusion of human co-travelers such as rats, mice, lice (and everything nice!
), cats, plants, fungi, and so on, must mean it's not an Earth location. It's kind of like water management on sea levels: you can build a wall all you want, but it doesn't keep it out. It finds a way.
Sevenfold
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When the camera lingered just a fraction too long on the in progress bot that's exactly what I said.
Magnificent episode.
Also. is MIB on the board?!
I think that Bernard is definitely a robot version of Arnold, that much is clear.
What if Dolores of the past does something on her quest with William that gets Arnold killed? Maybe it's not Ford who offs him, but Dolores? Then he builds robo-Arbold (Bernard) out of grief.
This would shed a lot of light on the scene with Dolores where she asks Ford if they were old friends, and he gives a replies that he definitely doesn't think of her as a friend. The subtext of that scene for me was that Dolores had caused him some great harm in the past.
What if Dolores of the past does something on her quest with William that gets Arnold killed? Maybe it's not Ford who offs him, but Dolores? Then he builds robo-Arbold (Bernard) out of grief.
This would shed a lot of light on the scene with Dolores where she asks Ford if they were old friends, and he gives a replies that he definitely doesn't think of her as a friend. The subtext of that scene for me was that Dolores had caused him some great harm in the past.
Octavianus
Banned
Haha Ford is one evil son of a bitch. I like it.
Anthony Hopkins is great at these kinds of roles. I'm glad they got him to do this.
Anthony Hopkins is great at these kinds of roles. I'm glad they got him to do this.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Damn that Bernard twist was something.
Hopkins is so good in this show that if he were a CvS2 character he'd be A-Groove M.Bison.
Hopkins is so good in this show that if he were a CvS2 character he'd be A-Groove M.Bison.
So, if Bernard is a host that mean that in the picture with Ford and "Arnold" could be a third person and Bernard doesn't saw it as the same way he doesn't saw the door.
This would be another hint to the Bernard/arnorld theory, right?
This Scene Is A Flashforward, is After Theresa's Death
Third Timeline Confirmed
Boom.gif
This would be another hint to the Bernard/arnorld theory, right?
This Scene Is A Flashforward, is After Theresa's Death
Third Timeline Confirmed
Boom.gif
wesleyshark
Banned
Correct. I'm thinking that Arnold's in that photo, and since Bernard is the host of Arnold, he's not able to see himself. I can't think of another explanation for why the photo is off center like that, and so much focus was placed on it.
Doesn't seem like anything to me.
I said it last week but...Bernard Lowe is an anagram of Arnold Weber. Seemed far fetched last week but Bernard being an original design and not knowing Arnold seems like an obvious hint.
ronaldthump
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He really is great in this. The robot fight scene and him just standing there observing is quite intense while the bernard reveal scene and the extreme close up of his face/expression as he menaces Theresa . He's really really is great in Westworld
Amazing show continues to churn out episode after episode filled with intrigue and tension.
Still weird to me that HBO hasn't renewed this. They renew everything ASAP, even shows with miserable ratings like Luck (even though it was cancelled eventually for other reasons). Maybe this is a one-season-only show?
I think as this show advances I like it less. I also want it to get it over with the mysteries. It's not interesting, it's frustrating.
This is Lost all over again.
If it's revealed that it's indeed Arnold (not Bernard) that has been talking to Dolores throughout the show...then this show is just a mess to me in terms of juggling timelines. None of how it's edited makes any sense. Like duckroll said, it's purposefully (and pointlessly) dishonest.
I think as this show advances I like it less. I also want it to get it over with the mysteries. It's not interesting, it's frustrating.
This is Lost all over again.
If it's revealed that it's indeed Arnold (not Bernard) that has been talking to Dolores throughout the show...then this show is just a mess to me in terms of juggling timelines. None of how it's edited makes any sense. Like duckroll said, it's purposefully (and pointlessly) dishonest.
DancingCactus77
Member
In the new EW interview they mention the robot in the bed that's how Ford knows about the blood sacrifice conversation.
But isn't this in the past, with a young MIB/William lol?
What is Dolores doing in the present-time anyway. We haven't seen her at all.
Yes it could be just one season. I mean it doesn't scream a show that needs 5 seasons to tell the story etc. the mib will likely find whatever he is looking for by seasons end, things will be resolved with Dolores and William, Maeve might escape or whatever, and Bernard and ford will have their stories end. There aren't a ton of things to wrap up
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
"What's behind this door"
"What door"
Let out an "o shit" after that
"What door"
Let out an "o shit" after that
The editing has purposely been misleading. I have been saying this for awhile now. What part do you take issue with?
All of it?
Speaking of this show's idea of the future: where my cyborgs at, anyway.
Dolores?
When you have enough human-level AIs to make a small army just for fun, they can probably handle the upkeep and maintenance.
All of the editing? That's unfortunate
Chiaroscuro
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Time Square, NY.
I mean, the way they're just randomly switching between different timelines/flashbacks without any apparent rhyme or reason, besides keeping the audience in the dark for reasons.
I guess maybe it'll make more sense and appear better fit together on a rewatch after the finale. I do hope they get it over with the reveals this season, if this show is even going to get multiple seasons.
As much as I love Maeve's performance and character, these two idiots with her are really hurting the show. WTF is this writing? even if they're hosts and their idiocy has a reason it still doesn't make a sense. Really unfortunate considering everything else is amazing.
Also I'm not excited about multiple seasons. Was hoping it would just have a great contained story.
Also I'm not excited about multiple seasons. Was hoping it would just have a great contained story.
wesleyshark
Banned
That was handled fantastically
Those two goons are easily the lowest part of the show.
I wouldn't say it is random, just designed to be misleading. It's actually pretty easy to see it come together if you pick a pet theory and stick with it, but that requires investment into it being a mystery centric puzzle box show. It canbe frustrating.
I don't expect the style to change in future seasons either. This is how Nolan writes. Each season will just have different central mysteries.
To be fair, "what door" was the twist. That's when you knew he was a host.
Also, related to that scene, I recall last week people were grumbling about Ford seemingly appearing out of nowhere when Bernard discovered the cabin. Some were calling it a production error or sloppy editing. Turns out he just slipped in through the door that Bernard wasn't programmed to see.
It also explains why Ford was never really worried about any of Bernard's digging or discoveries, as he controlled Bernard.
YesNOnoNOYes
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i guess?
i donno how money even works anymore in their future. so i guess, yeah, another thing i will roll with, for ww to hold plausibility :3
