From this episode, MiB seemingly became who he is now after killing Maeve in the flash back and that was just like 5 years ago right? He hasn't been doing this for that long.
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From this episode, MiB seemingly became who he is now after killing Maeve in the flash back and that was just like 5 years ago right? He hasn't been doing this for that long.
Kor of Memory
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A single year ago, I think. He said his wife died last year. and I think it was after the disconnect from his daughter that he went to kill the host child to see what he felt.
This means Maeve has been working at the brothel for less than a year as well.
Even if it's a little bit less white it makes sense. They are roaming around in dirt all day long, of course it won't stay ice white. I think this is reaching.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yup. Total dark tower.
Do it again, but better.
This is her grand loop, and she's doomed to repeat it till she gets it just right and fulfills whatever it is arnold (or ford) wants her to. Likely each go around she learns a little more, gets a little more human each time, and at the end she has to defy an order and demonstrate free will. Once she's done that, whatever this is all about happens - Ford And Arnold have now made life that has surpassed themselves, and the Board wants to be stealing that data. Likely what MiB has instructed them to do, William wants all the stories for himself and this is the last chapter.
They've gone out of the way several times with a Ford and various characters to mention that none of the existing staff was around 34 years ago... not QA, not this narrative writer, not the young Board Exec, not Bernard. His "new narrative" is likely the exact same as the Original narrative (and no one on staff is recognizing the signs yet), he's re creating the first turn in the wheel now that he's had 30 years to "evolve" his creations to see if they are ready for his next level - gaining free will and breaking out of the "maze" of human control.
Something like that is my spec.
Buttonbasher
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Yeah, that supports my theory that the maze is what Arnold built to give the hosts true awakening, rather than a literal maze.
The image isn't exactly the maze, but I think the two line up too nicely for it to be coincidence.
What did he mean by this?
Barnaby_Jones
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And this is why I believe he is on a suicide mission. The death of his wife and the estrangement of his daughter clearly messed him up. So much so that he came back and killed a mother and daughter himself, to see if the feeling compared to what he felt like on the outside.
It's kinda cathartic that my belief is he wants to bring 'life' to the hosts so that they can take his, a weird kind of repentance for falling in love with Westworld/Dolores and setting in motion the series of events that led to the breakdown of his family.
*This idea is under the assumption that Will Smith is the Man in Black of course.
We saw Dolores in the beta-test park, commit suicide after having killing everyone, and they kept her for 30 years+ without sending her to the storage. And during these 30 years she was glitching, trying to go back to the beta-town,...
Abernathy had one mental breakdown and he's decommissioned instantly.
I really think the two timeline people are over-complicating things. Just think about what has actually happened in the story
the hosts get the 'reverie' update
this update causes them to access past memories, which causes them to glitch out
the latest episode explains that the memories are as real to them as anything else
we see Maeve experience these memories and with her new abilities change them in her mind by cutting the MiBs throat
we see Teddy experience these memories and react by attacking the MiB
we see Dolores experience these memories and freak out because she doesn't understand when she is
the hosts get the 'reverie' update
this update causes them to access past memories, which causes them to glitch out
the latest episode explains that the memories are as real to them as anything else
we see Maeve experience these memories and with her new abilities change them in her mind by cutting the MiBs throat
we see Teddy experience these memories and react by attacking the MiB
we see Dolores experience these memories and freak out because she doesn't understand when she is
Jack Scofield
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It's like they picked the goofiest names possible for Felix and Sylvester.
Buttonbasher
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They're based on cartoon cats.
Sylvester always acting in retaliation to tweety bird, and always losing out. Felix the Cat however has a bag of tricks, and is smart, and heroic.
He's even trying to bring a bird back to life.
Jack Scofield
Member
I immediately made the connection to Sylvester the cat and Felix the cat, but I didn't realize that this was intentional.
Yes. She's just a pretty blonde extra.
Operations
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How is everyone so sure that Church town was a beta test? Is it mentioned or just implied?
In the Ford Flashback he mentions it and we see bits of it. It's where they socialized them to get them to pass the Turing Test. Specifically mentioned dancing as one of the things they made them practice.
More_Badass
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Maeve didn't change anything. That was shown while MIB was talking
Jinfash
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This is on point. I'll just add the foreshadowing of how "vivid the hosts memories are" compared to humans. Which explains her "unreliable POV" or "merging timelines" or however you want to label it.
Teletraan1
Banned
All of the decommissions we have seen have been QA or corporate espionage related. Ford and Bernard were against each and every one of those but had to appease QA to get them off his ass for the bad rollout. Woodcutter was QA pulling the strings for board member to steal tech so they tried to cover it up. Prostitute was another QA fuckjob trying to get ford to admit something. Abernathy I can't remember the scene exactly but I would imagine he failed the test they give. He questioned the nature of his reality openly prior to being taken in. Maeve and Dolores both seem to be able to beat that test.
watch it again, it's actually pretty clever. MiB starts telling Teddy what happened, then it changes to Maeves POV where she makes up a different memory where she kills him, and then back to MiB
SuperStiltzkin
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She doesn't kill him in the flashback, but still slashes at his neck. You can see the injury mark when he walks out and watches Maeve.
More_Badass
Member
Honestly, I don't understand why they needed to have the asshole butcher in the first place. The plot would work infinitely better with just the sympathetic guy who enjoys the progamming and inner-workings of it all and sees the hosts as alive and not that different from humans
It's the asshole guy who makes the plotline frustrating because it makes no sense why he just follows along and lets everything happen
hmm are you sure? I guess I'll have to watch it again because it looked like a pretty serious wound to me
drhankmccoyphd
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Just out of curiosity did anyone get screen grabs of Bernard's notes from Theresa when he was covering his tracks?
Kor of Memory
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Helensmith
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It was surprisingly sweet of Teresa to write old-school letters.
| Praxis |
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This show would have been great if it was a maximum of two seasons long. They're just going to stretch it so thin.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
For posterity:
L+SD ratings
Episode 1: 1.96 million
Episode 2: 1.50 million
Episode 3: 2.10 million
Episode 4: 1.70 million
Episode 5: 1.50 million
Episode 6: 1.60 million
Episode 7: 1.74 million
Episode 8: 1.77 million
L+SD ratings
Episode 1: 1.96 million
Episode 2: 1.50 million
Episode 3: 2.10 million
Episode 4: 1.70 million
Episode 5: 1.50 million
Episode 6: 1.60 million
Episode 7: 1.74 million
Episode 8: 1.77 million
More_Badass
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Nice to see the views steadingly increasing
More_Badass
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No, the show will definitely evolve. It isn't about the park. It's about "the origin of a new species". The park is just a petri dish
arts&crafts
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I totally forgot about this, what happened to current Dolores, she killed handle bar mustache in the barn and then walked out of the scene. The next scene we see, she stumbles onto young William...
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Presumably current Delores is following the same path as when she went on her adventure with William. Like when she was alone on the train, or was at the border town. We get tiny glimpses of her current adventure.
I didn't buy into the timeline theory until it was clear the show was being deceptive about it. Like when the control room commented on her being in the town but didn't confirm who she was with. Then we go to her perspective with William and someone approaches her and asks if she wants to go back. That's clearly deceptive because it wants you to think that the control room did this, but it would have happened the same way if she was off loop in the past. The two appear connected but they purposely avoid clear and undeniable connections between what's going on "now" and Delores and William's story. It's in this bubble.
Was thinking last night she is in cold storage. She is just remembering all of her past memories. The maze, being a "sum total of a (wo)mans life" MIB fucked her head up just like Meave.
We saw in the 1st episode the cooling was broken and they were going to neutralize a host that re-actived (turned out to be ford and old host).
Jack Scofield
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Maeve's subplot is just so dumb. I'm still really enjoying the show, but everything about it is ridiculous and requires a huge suspension of disbelief.
arts&crafts
Member
Unless they are robots and he is having doubts about his existence, but I agree.
SuperStiltzkin
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Its implied that the MiB was always a a bastard in the park. That's why his wife killed herself. He only went super dark when he pushed himself to kill a defenseless mother and child to see if he felt anything. He didn't feel anything until he saw Maeve get back up and act in an unhostlike behavior. At that point his cruelty was no longer motivated by power fantasy, but because he thought suffering would make the hosts' real humanity surface and the real game would reveal itself.
I think how you see MiB when hes with Teddy and Lawrence is pretty much how he has played for the last thirty years. Just different motivation.
We're already seeing hints of William's coldness toward hosts. And based on the episode promo we will see him finally
cut open a host with his knife.
I was under the impression the hosts couldn't kill guests? At least not during the time the flashback is taking place. She might very well have slashed his throat but due to her programming could not do enough damage to make a significant cut or mark, just something light that he could walk away from.
Stark contrast to how they show her in the present timeline very much cutting the throat of the other dude
Shes on the outskirts of beta town caught in a loop reliving her trip with William. It's why we see flashes of her being alone without William such as in the cemetery outside Pariah, the train heading out of Pariah, and in the last episode when she's at the river and sees her dead body she looks back towards William and the boy but nobody's there. This is what she meant whe she asked William "When are we?". She has latent programming from Arnold that forces her to seek out the maze and in doing so she relives all the other times she has sought it simultaneously in order to help her finish it by not repeating mistakes she has made in past trips.
What we're seeing is her current solo trip from her fucked up point of view. Once she reaches the end of her loop with William she'll have to snap out of it and realize what's going on or alter something such as killing William by killing the MiB in order to complete the maze.
afternoon delight
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And once they leave the park I'll be done, it and its inhabitants are billion times more interesting than the corporate buffoonery on display.
I have about thirty percent confidence they'll handle the transition smoothly. Even this season is nearing "do not buy the blu ray" territory.
For the record I've said since the beginning people were creating new smoke monsters to be disappointed in- this is pulpy pulp and that's its strength.
arts&crafts
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Wait has she died in the river yet? In any of the episodes? Or is that foreshadowing something.