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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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CitizenVectron
Member
That's one of the previous times she's tried to find the maze and failed.
PrivateWHudson
Member
That's the one point that really gets me. If the control room sent someone in the past to retrieve her, but William stopped it, then who's there to stop them from retrieving her in the current time? Why have the show point out that the control room is keeping an eye on her, then not follow through with them putting her back in her loop?
I was hoping the William=MiB theory wasn't going to be true, but after this episode, they pretty much slammed us over the head with supporting clues courtesy of the fireside chat with Teddy. MiB details a life that lines up too neatly with William's situation.
The reason I don't want the theory to be true is because I like William, and I don't want him to turn into heartless MiB.
I was bummed to see Meave's Cylon revolution end so quickly. It just shows that despite all of the upgrades she made to herself, her thoughts and flashbacks can get the better of her.
The reason I don't want the theory to be true is because I like William, and I don't want him to turn into heartless MiB.
I was bummed to see Meave's Cylon revolution end so quickly. It just shows that despite all of the upgrades she made to herself, her thoughts and flashbacks can get the better of her.
She saw her dead body in the river when she went to get water in the last episode. It's an echo of a past loop just like the version of herself she saw in beta town committing suicide or the version of herself in the Pariah parade.
wesleyshark
Banned
Saw this on twitter. I like the way it was put together.
The thing about this is, if what were seeing is Dolores reliving her past trip with William, how is it we've been able to see things she was not present for? Like his arrival in the park, and and the times when it was just him and Logan?
Unless we're seeing anothert timeline AND her flashing back to the same timeline from the future which seems kind of overly complicated.
PrivateWHudson
Member
She's like Picard in All Good Things. We're seeing all of the timelines from different PoV's, but when Dolores is in the same place in each of the timelines shit gets weird. Only difference is she doesn't age, so it's hard to know which timeline she's seeing.
a Master Ninja
Member
We all believe MiB's account of his wife's death, right? I took it at face value, as I doubt he would bother lying to hosts, but my fiancee is skeptical. I don't think the Maeve stuff makes sense if he's actually a murder before that.
That would be really stupid on the part of the writers if that was true. Right now there's a lot of misdirection, but I don't think any character has outright lied to the audience.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That's one of the things that doesn't add up too.
Crazy theory, but some are saying Dolores has been on this journey before, and the "other" ones she sees are failed attempts, which sort of sounds plausible., So anyway, I found it a bit weird, at the river cause I thought William would definitely kill the wounded soldier, but didn't, but then it felt like just the next shot he was dead.
So here's the crazy theory, what if, William has been with her on all those attempts (minus this final theorized one where she might just be going alone), and Dolores memories are getting mixed up, as in one attempt, Dolores convinced William to help the soldier, but in another attempt, William killed the soldier, and Dolores just cut between the two memories!
the idea goes that it's a red herring, control room sent someone 30 years ago as well (when she was there before, with William), and they just cut between the two, so we don't know what "really" happened in the present timeline when they sent someone to collect her. At least, that's the general theory on it.
So here's the crazy theory, what if, William has been with her on all those attempts (minus this final theorized one where she might just be going alone), and Dolores memories are getting mixed up, as in one attempt, Dolores convinced William to help the soldier, but in another attempt, William killed the soldier, and Dolores just cut between the two memories!
the idea goes that it's a red herring, control room sent someone 30 years ago as well (when she was there before, with William), and they just cut between the two, so we don't know what "really" happened in the present timeline when they sent someone to collect her. At least, that's the general theory on it.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I think I just saw the ginger lab guy as the spokesperson in a dominos commercial. Not 100% sure.
just fyi
just fyi
andythinkpad
Member
I don't think the remaining run time can handle such a grand and conclusive finale. I predict its going to be unanswered valley.
And, why compare Westworld to Dark tower when the Matrix has much more similar plot.
You have the repeated loops to gain awakening; you have the conflict between human and machine; plus questioning of reality etc etc.
it is him, referenced in this thread many many times (some posts just call him pizza guy)
More_Badass
Member
So Ford is totally being clever by having a minotaur in the maze, right? Adding some Greek myth into his storyline
-Pyromaniac-
Member
this explains everything. Nolan does it again.
Will the Thrill
Banned
So if MiB is William, we're totally gonna get a scene where we see William's mole get cut off right. Cause honestly that's what bugs me the most lol, hell we can also just have him say "It's me Delores! I got my mole laser removed"
Also my name is William so actually having a show with a character named William continues to odd me out. It really doesn't seem to be a name used that often in movies/TV that I've seen
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
I think I would be enjoying this show more if I had never encountered this multiple timeline theorizing. I spend far too much of every episode questioning when things are happening than I would like, and it's starting to get more and more annoying the longer it gets dragged out. In the end, it's made the show feel purposefully vague to me in a way that is not all the compelling. This puzzle box concept just makes the writing seem too contrived to be able to effectively delve into the strong thematic content that is there is well.
I hope that all of this gets resolved definitively by the end of this season, as it will allow subsequent seasons to live and die on the content rather than the mysteries, which do more to distract from the character development and thematic exploration than they do to deepen it.
I hope that all of this gets resolved definitively by the end of this season, as it will allow subsequent seasons to live and die on the content rather than the mysteries, which do more to distract from the character development and thematic exploration than they do to deepen it.
Jack Scofield
Member
What are people's theories about the group of people we saw at the end of this episode? The almost look like an amalgamation of vikings and knights/Roman soldiers.
Romeworld and Vikingworld confirmed! /s
More_Badass
Member
Podcast I was listening to noted that the host Ford was creating is noticeably more complete in this episode
Gotta be elsie coming back from her PTO
Jack Scofield
Member
I was joking, but re-reading that I can see how it's hard to tell. I was actually serious with my question, though. Are there any interesting theories about this group?
More_Badass
Member
Haven't confirmed it personally, but the Westworld podcast I listen pointed out another potential timeline clue: no flies around dead bodies in the William era, flies all the time in MIB era
GavinUK86
Member
I think it works better this way.
Yeah, I read about that theory in a review (can't remember what one though). It's possible. I have been noticing a lot of flies in the MIB scenes.
shira
Member
Saw this on twitter. I like the way it was put together.
Here's to the lady with the white shoes.
Take all your money, drink all your booze.
Ain't got a cherry, that ain't no sin.
She's still got the box that the cherry come in.
That, and he'd have to grow much taller.
I absolutely agree with this. Beautiful scene.
Moff
Member
I dont think we need theories for them. It's wyatt's band of jolly murderers and they like to act and dress up crazy.
So you're saying that the work, which becomes a new genre itself, will be called cowboy bebop?
Moz La Punk
Member
While its my least favorite storyline in the series, I think the hate Meave story gets is a bit overblown. Just my opinion.
I do love the way how the series opens up the multiple timeline thing more and more each episode. We were afraid the show was misleading us by showing multiple timelines without any indication, but the fact that hosts can't see the difference between time periods is what sells it in my opinion.
It's pretty cool in my book that hosts basically experience time like we would experience it if we weren't bound to human rules. All time is right now, actually, the past, present and future are all at the same time, but the way we experience it as humans is past, present and future. Because the ties that make hosts experience time at the same way are slowly unraveling, they are seeing multiple periods at the same time. Its basically how a super being would experience universal time, only with more control of it of course because he's a super being and hosts are just human made bots.
I really like that. Now only to have William = MiB to be confirmed. I still think the theory is correct but we'll see.
Loving the show!
I do love the way how the series opens up the multiple timeline thing more and more each episode. We were afraid the show was misleading us by showing multiple timelines without any indication, but the fact that hosts can't see the difference between time periods is what sells it in my opinion.
It's pretty cool in my book that hosts basically experience time like we would experience it if we weren't bound to human rules. All time is right now, actually, the past, present and future are all at the same time, but the way we experience it as humans is past, present and future. Because the ties that make hosts experience time at the same way are slowly unraveling, they are seeing multiple periods at the same time. Its basically how a super being would experience universal time, only with more control of it of course because he's a super being and hosts are just human made bots.
I really like that. Now only to have William = MiB to be confirmed. I still think the theory is correct but we'll see.
Loving the show!
elrechazado
Banned
They're not new - the Wyatt cult wears pagan stuff and they appear to be devil worshipper types. They've been that way since the Wyatt story was put in a few episodes back.
andythinkpad
Member
They unlocked the setting of Ubi's next Ass Creed game.
Is it possible they may have leaked in from Medieval world?
elrechazado
Banned
It's specifically part of Ford's new storyline, so no need to look for outside explanations IMO.
Moff
Member
Are you kidding? There is literally a huge character with a sword, helmet and a cloak on the screen
Are you gonna answer "doesnt look like anything to me" now
The Elite
BOSS
The Minotaur may not look like your normal medieval knight but certainly looks out of place in a western setting. Ford jumped the shark.
It's from a YouTube video where a guy goes a little overboard analyzing every tick and quirk Hopkins does in his god-tier line deliveries.
The GIF just cut out part of it to be a funny reaction gif.
Right so HBO does not have a ton of sets leftover from Game of Thrones to use?
Never say never.
Edit: OK maybe not http://uk.businessinsider.com/westworld-roman-medieval-world-not-in-show-2016-10?r=US&IR=T
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
What if MiB is William's brother in law?
Makes sense since his wife questioned his character at a place like West world and we haven't seen William on a dark streak (yet at least).
Makes sense since his wife questioned his character at a place like West world and we haven't seen William on a dark streak (yet at least).
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
This is only based on just learning of this whole theory right now lol.
Edit: I hoped this would have brought me to the top of the next page tbh.
MMBosstones86
Member
I watched a couple times, but couldn't tell.
When Benard asks Ford if he's killed anyone else before he has a 'memory' of flashback or whatever. Was that Elsie he was choking out?
We don't have confirmation she's dead, but.....yikes.
When Benard asks Ford if he's killed anyone else before he has a 'memory' of flashback or whatever. Was that Elsie he was choking out?
We don't have confirmation she's dead, but.....yikes.