More_Badass
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Was Theresa a host? Or at least that Theresa we saw be killed? What was up with that moment with Bernard freezing her?
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I dont think they should. Writers and showrunners should prob keep it restrained so its easier to control this fictional world and dont leave plot holes around.
shira
Member
Wouldn't he have to find another anagram like Dale Browner or something
I was thinking it may be Elsie considering she will eventually be expected to return, and she would be easy to control since she's just Bernard's underling.
Yes I remember. I agree
More_Badass
Member
I actually think the outside world is some kind of over-industrialized automated landscape. Hence why people would pays tens of thousands just to take their family fishing or hiking, and why the "natural splendor" of the park is an expensive luxury
RoninChaos
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Right now I think it's 50/50 it's Logan or William.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I think it was more of a having control over your memories thing like what he did with his son
That was future Theresa. 2nd Bernard froze her in the alternate....
*twitches uncontrollably*
I just interpreted it as Bernard coming to terms with the memory of her (that was supposed to have been erased). Similar to how he controls the other characters in his memories like his son and his son's doctors
Infernostew
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Great episode. Too bad Maeve's storyline is dragging it down a bit.
Speaking of which, wasn't Bernard busy when she went missing? Was that ever resolved?
He was with Teresa when she was attacked, wasn't he?
No Felix and no Sylvester this week really helped.
When they first showed it I thought it would be another Theresa, but with how quickly her death was disclosed to others makes that impossible to try and pass off. Another Bernard seems possible, or maybe the next Bernard will be an Elsie? Who knows.
The Man in Black is Ed Harris' character from Appaloosa.
Kinda funny that this is what Caprica should have been, but wasn't.
He hung up with her on the phone, probably dismissed himself with Teresa, went straight to where Elsie was, who was still farting around in the cabin for an unknown length of time, and then finally Bernard showed up.
Maybe it's another Ford! I could see him creating a doppelgänger to help run the park.
Infernostew
Member
Totally agree.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
and the director of the Truman Show as well, that's where his millions come from.
lol this would be amazing
DorkLord54
Member
Nah, his millions came from helping Jake Scully find the numbers station near Cuba.
Even though the twist was pretty obvious at this point, that was a damn compelling hour of television.
Interesting if Logan is MiB. He does fit the description better as a person with a really dark hidden side. Also he does seem to hold considerably more power than William at the moment so it would be easy for him to make the leap to board member. Maybe Westwood is Logan's redemption story lol.
I'm also starting to lean towards Maeve's storyline being orchestrated by Ford
I think Theresa and his son freezing were just him applying the circumstances of his real life to his dream sequence/imagination to help make sense of things
Interesting if Logan is MiB. He does fit the description better as a person with a really dark hidden side. Also he does seem to hold considerably more power than William at the moment so it would be easy for him to make the leap to board member. Maybe Westwood is Logan's redemption story lol.
I'm also starting to lean towards Maeve's storyline being orchestrated by Ford
I think Theresa and his son freezing were just him applying the circumstances of his real life to his dream sequence/imagination to help make sense of things
Garrett 2U
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I think that was just in his head
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I'm just going to go with Ford knows everything happening. Everything.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
So whatever MIB did or said to Dolores in the barn probably started her going on this journey to Escalante
We don't know if Ford or MIB buried the gun she dug up, maybe Ford to have her kill MIB?
And if Maeve is just part of Fords storyline what relevance did Dolores saying the Romeo and Juliet line to her have? Is that how Ford triggered her to become aware?
We don't know if Ford or MIB buried the gun she dug up, maybe Ford to have her kill MIB?
And if Maeve is just part of Fords storyline what relevance did Dolores saying the Romeo and Juliet line to her have? Is that how Ford triggered her to become aware?
It makes absolutely no sense for him not to know everything.
Sylvester is a real life Hitman guard that you could fool by throwing a quarter while you club Felix and dress up in his lab coat.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Season is going to end with Maeve and co. killing the entire board aside from MiB and then Ford saying "stop" and the whole world freezes. MiB (along with Delores and Bernard) then kills Ford for what he's done to Delores, and MiB and his company run the park with Delores, Maeve, and Bernard becoming the "head" hosts in charge.
Will the Thrill
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lmao that's the perfect example for those two.
Also why is Dolores still functioning in the park if she was the one that killed Arnold? Sure she was Arnold's favorite but I doubt Ford would want to leave her in the park after that kind of incident. Is she Ford's get out of jail card in case some important human needs to die? Then he can just blame it on her faulty personality? Or some kind of sentimental reason we don't know about just yet? A promise he made Arnold?
It would make sense as well if Logan is MiB since MiB doesn't seem to realize the importance of Dolores and the Church until this episode since he probably only heard the story of their journey in passing. If it was William I think he would know that is the center of the maze immediately and he probably would have treated her better/invited her along on the ride in present times.
It would make sense as well if Logan is MiB since MiB doesn't seem to realize the importance of Dolores and the Church until this episode since he probably only heard the story of their journey in passing. If it was William I think he would know that is the center of the maze immediately and he probably would have treated her better/invited her along on the ride in present times.
molnizzle
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Wait, doesn't Dolores seeing MIB while she's wearing her "old" clothes refute the dual timeline theory? What was up with that?
This bas been my thought all along. Seems rather obvious.
This bas been my thought all along. Seems rather obvious.
PrivateWHudson
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Of course he knows everything. He even knew the security guy was on to Bernard and set the trap for him to be taken by the savages. Savages that don't respond to commands.
Logan is a petulant fucking child. I can't see him becoming someone as thoughtful as the MiB. William's development, i.e. him becoming more and more disillusioned with the idea of him being a "good" person the longer he stays in Westworld, is way more in line with how they have characterized the MiB.
And Logan doesn't have a "hidden" side. That dude is as subtle and graceful as a fucking bat to the skull.
And Logan doesn't have a "hidden" side. That dude is as subtle and graceful as a fucking bat to the skull.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
It makes sense for Ford to know everything. That being said, a random bit of speculation, spoilered in case it's right:
Also I'm not sure yet that Bernard carried out the order to blow his digital brains out. His memory catharsis with his fake son, about letting go of the memory because it's holding him back... combined with Bernard having the knowledge of a programmer... seems like the setup for Bernard canceling Ford's command, but making sure to fire a round off so that Ford wouldn't come back to check on him.
I feel Ford being safe from Clementine due to a back door sets up Ford to be caught by surprise just when he thinks he's still safe. Likely a buried command from Arnold that Ford doesn't know is there.
Also I'm not sure yet that Bernard carried out the order to blow his digital brains out. His memory catharsis with his fake son, about letting go of the memory because it's holding him back... combined with Bernard having the knowledge of a programmer... seems like the setup for Bernard canceling Ford's command, but making sure to fire a round off so that Ford wouldn't come back to check on him.
Intheflorsh
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Season finale spoilers:
Everyone is a host.
molnizzle
Member
They've never been a thing once you realized that everything is proceeding according to Ford's plan. This is his playground.
More_Badass
Member
He can't not know. He is God here. He built all, he sees all, he knows all
Another excellent episode.
Truly loved Evan Rachel Woods delivery on the if out there is so great line. Not only did it shut William and Logan up but it makes me wonder if as a few others have said that maybe the outside world is a little more dystopian than we were led to believe.
Some of Fords comments this week led in that direction also.
Truly loved Evan Rachel Woods delivery on the if out there is so great line. Not only did it shut William and Logan up but it makes me wonder if as a few others have said that maybe the outside world is a little more dystopian than we were led to believe.
Some of Fords comments this week led in that direction also.
The story has repeatedly alluded to the oversight present in the park, and then thrown it out the window whenever it's convenient.
Why are William and Logan permitted to get strangled and beaten half to death, for example?
You'd think someone would step in and do something.
Ford having a plan would not stop hundreds of employees from detecting the strange happenings in the park.
You literally see his body drop, though. I understand the show isn't afraid to mess with perception, but that shot seemed to be exclusively from Ford's POV.
DorkLord54
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He wasn't "expecting" him to confront him, he engineered the entire encounter, hoping that, with his memories fully intact, he would make the "right" choice and become his faithful partner again.
More_Badass
Member
The further way from Sweetwater, the more dangerous it gets. The hosts won't kill you, but they might rough you up
All according to plan though, just another branching path in the game
See how non-plussed Hale was? It was impossible for MIB to die there. The host horse would only bolt once he has the knife and if he missed the knife, it would probably stop and come back to give him slack