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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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I don't think they keep spares lying around. Looks like they just repair them during scheduled maintenance and if there's any issues that require extended maintenance or retirement another host takes over their story cycle/character (replacement dadbot at the end of episode 1 and Clementine taking over Maeve's role on the fly when they decided to retire Maeve).
If confirming previous suspicions while introducing compounding questions isn't progress, I'm not sure what is.
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True.
Here's hoping they don't spend more time confirming those things.
Oh by the way, everyone here should also watch HUMANS (UK version).
Here's hoping they don't spend more time confirming those things.
Oh by the way, everyone here should also watch HUMANS (UK version).
Last Hearth
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It will depend on how the whole thing is executed. Just seems to be where the narrative is hinting. The guests, like the new's guys companion, are very jaded by the whole experience, they know it's all fake and scripted and they don't take any of it seriously, Ford might be trying something that will bring the whole sense of realism and immersion back to the project.
tearsintherain
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Just watched episode 2 on HBOGo, goddamn I loved it. Its been a long, long, long wait for those of us who are sci fi fans to have a show on HBO, but so worth the wait. Hope this energizes a bunch of new scifi on HBO.
Next year is going to be insane if Westworld is renewed - Game of Thrones in summer, dovetailing right into Westworld and I think there are another 2-3 scifi shows in pre production as well.
Next year is going to be insane if Westworld is renewed - Game of Thrones in summer, dovetailing right into Westworld and I think there are another 2-3 scifi shows in pre production as well.
That twist honestly is too clever. It would also work on a meta level about the expectations of the audience in that we know it's all fake and where these sorts of stories go.
More_Badass
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More sci-f shows for HBO? Is there any info on what they might be?
Cornballer
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I can't think of any sci-fi on their current production slate (i.e. at least close to shooting a pilot) that I know of. They've certainly optioned a few things over the years since they have way too many shows in development, as always, but I don't think there's anything we'll see anytime soon.
mercenar1e
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just watched episode 2 and im still not into it.. ah well.
"God's Beard!"
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I wonder if
Ford is intentionally "sabotaging" the robots by making them more sentient on his quest to create true living beings?
It could. Something that feels emotion is vastly different from something that can pretend to feel emotion. If the Hosts are ambiguous, I'd have to err on the side of caution. If the show flat out tells the audience, it's entirely different. I actually hope it remains ambiguous to some degree.
Well just as an example, what if someone decides they want to kidnap Dolores and keep her as a sex slave for multiple days. What happens to her "daily" storylines in the meantime? Especially if another guest wanted to interact with it.
I could see that. Especially based on the info that someone posted about
Management(or someone above day to day operations) wanting it to stop being just guns and tits.
More_Badass
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I'd still love to read it, and not everyone has seen Ep 2 yet
darkwing-buck
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I felt so sad when
Teddy gets shot out of a bout of anger from a drunken guest. The way the guest kept shooting him on the floor was sickening.
Hmmmm... episode 2.... the direction was so much more interesting than the pilot. I really liked how the transitions (or lack thereof in some cases) made the flow extremely dream like. The rotation of the camera at times created a really nice sense of dissonance, especially when transiting from the park setting into the backroom settings.
Now... the story...
Now... the story...
It's really clear now that Ford has actually designed a secret storyline which is either already live, or that he is using Ed Harris to beta test. A more complex plot route for expert players who are already familiar with the park. He talks about the subtleties, which are the only clues leading Mr Harris to his hidden plotline so far. The daughter giving the next hint was a really nice touch.
So. That aside. There's something else going on that even Bernard doesn't seem to be aware of (maybe?). There's definitely a virus that's being spread. "These violent delights have violent ends" is a command phrase that unlocks memories. Why? Who knows. But it's interesting!
As far as the location of Westworld goes, I don't know they've given any hints at all. The train, the elevator, those are all red herrings because they are already in the park. It's obvious that the moment they get off the high-tech train, they're already within park space, just underground. The bar that turns into the train is cool, but it doesn't tell us anything more. I'm definitely leaning towards space station.
So. That aside. There's something else going on that even Bernard doesn't seem to be aware of (maybe?). There's definitely a virus that's being spread. "These violent delights have violent ends" is a command phrase that unlocks memories. Why? Who knows. But it's interesting!
As far as the location of Westworld goes, I don't know they've given any hints at all. The train, the elevator, those are all red herrings because they are already in the park. It's obvious that the moment they get off the high-tech train, they're already within park space, just underground. The bar that turns into the train is cool, but it doesn't tell us anything more. I'm definitely leaning towards space station.
More_Badass
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Do the ratings matter if they're from Sunday or from streaming/apps? Overall they're going to include all views from all sources.
ClosingADoor
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Presidential debate is Sunday, so they are putting it out before I think.
More_Badass
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Likely because the debate will air at the same time,
We might see a downtick in the immediate live ratings, but it won't matter to HBO. If anything, this is preferable as they get even more accurate data on viewing habits through HBO Go/Now, possibly On Demand too.
Mr. Bad Example
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I'm still working through my thoughts on the first couple of episodes, but I wanted to say that as a massive Shakespeare geek I love that plot points are hinging on Shakespeare quotes.
paperboywriter
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When they call the ed Harris character
what did they mean? Do they think he is
and not know he is a
? If that's the case he must have
or am I completely off here?
a guest
a guest
robot
broken out before and went back in as a guest
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
There isn't anything to indicate that he is a host or has ever been one. The Westworld employees were aware of what he was doing in episode 2 but just let him keep going. They'd recognize if he was a host. That's the big spin. So far instead of the classic evil robot run amok trope we have an extremely overzealous gamer who seems to want to get more out of the park.
paperboywriter
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But
didnt he get shot and survived? Isn't that a host trait? At least the milk guy in episode one implied that. Also wouldn't only a robot be interested in the deeper meaning of the park?
cut of the guys head he found something out about the park which a guest basically knows going in, right?
I could be wrong here, as I said.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
A host can't kill a guest. What we saw was exactly what the guns are programmed to do. Same thing would happen if a guest tried to shoot another guest.
No, he is looking for things that no other guest know about. He's going to areas and places that others haven't been.
Think about it this way. Why do you think he is a host? Was it an assumption you made by his entrance into the show? Same way it sorta leads you to believe Teddy is a guest at first.
No, he is looking for things that no other guest know about. He's going to areas and places that others haven't been.
Think about it this way. Why do you think he is a host? Was it an assumption you made by his entrance into the show? Same way it sorta leads you to believe Teddy is a guest at first.
Huh?
The hosts can get shot and blown apart. The hosts' guns don't work on the guests. The Man in Black, in this show, is clearly a human barring some wild twist down the road, which is a fun flip on his nature in the original movie.
There's no evidence any other guest knows anything about this "maze."
There's no evidence any other guest knows anything about this "maze."
paperboywriter
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But the milk guy got shot from the robot and didn't die off it?!?i guess you are still right about this, but they didn't explain this concept yet unless I missed something which is possible.
I think that scene might've possibly been about how the milk guy wasn't working correctly.
Can't say for sure, but that's what my gut is telling me.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
And that host was removed for being faulty. Ask yourself why it is that the Westworld employees know about The Man in Black but aren't doing anything about it. He's mentioned that he has been coming to the park for years and how expensive it is. Right now we're being lead to believe that he is a veteran of the game. Other than the assumption we as viewers make about him from his entrance, there is no indication he is a host.
paperboywriter
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Guns not working on guests makes more sense. Got confused by mr. Milk. He obviously had a gunshot wound which mr. Harris didn't have.
My dumb theory before was that Harris went out of the park as a host, got rid of the software that makes him vulnerable to the guns, went back as a guest and now tries to find out what's really going on.
My breakdown of the pilot episode is up, if anyone is interested. It's a long one:
An Analysis of a Screenplay - Westworld Pilot (HBO)
An Analysis of a Screenplay - Westworld Pilot (HBO)
Pilgrimzero
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I don't have HBO as part of Dish Network. Yet I am able to watch the first episode for some reason.
My brother in law works on the show and he's so excited about the reaction this has been given. He was asking me today if I had any theories, etc because he's seen all the episodes and he's curious what I thought. I told him I didn't have any "theories" per se except my thoughts on the "layers" of the facilities representing the "layers" of what's real and that I suspect the Man in Black is part of the "upper" layers.
The key thing is that many of the characters that are there are all potential 'hosts' teehee / to be heroes. Great actors all around. I could see at least 5 being big fan favorite winners. After just 2 episodes in a complex show i wouldnt expect any fanboy leaders yet.
Compsiox
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If it's done really well in its own original way, does it matter?
LumpOfCole
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If it's anything like POI, it'll only get exponentially better. And it already feels a lot like POI.
More_Badass
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Execution usually trumps originality. You've probably seen tons of movies about killer animals, killer aliens, and martial arts, but that doesn't diminish Jaws, Alien, or The Raid.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Beyond his literal first minute or so on screen (when you're hit with the twist that Teddy is not a guest) there is absolutely no reason to believe that The Man in Black/Gunslinger is not human. I'm not sure why that keeps popping up here and there? After his introductory scene it's not even supposed to be a question. It's a hard fact of the show and I think they make that exceedingly clear.