Escape Goat
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Paste Pot Pete
What villain would you like to see in the Marvel-produced Spider-man movie?
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Redoing Lizard but with the Shed storyline would be ballsy, if only for
a scene where spidey watches a kid around his own age get eaten by his dad lizard
ratcliffja
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I assume people are confusing Harry's Green Goblin for Hobgoblin. Personally, I want Chameleon and Mysterio. I think they'd work well together.
It would also be good to have Doctor Octopus appear earlier in order for Marvel + Sony to make a future Superior Spider-Man movie.
Mix Master
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DXLelouch153
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a proper Venom
referred to as Venom, huge as fuck, none of the showing his face crap
and of course Symbiote Spidey with the correct fucking spider emblem
referred to as Venom, huge as fuck, none of the showing his face crap
and of course Symbiote Spidey with the correct fucking spider emblem
Jorok Goldblade
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Just go straight to this:
Lord Panda
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Andrew Garfield as Venom
Troubled Bat
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I want to see Carnage, but that can be saved for later.
After Venom gets his spin-off film
Cabbagehead
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Just go straight to this:
That would be perfect.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Maximus.
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All of 'em
This would be so cool, but I feel this will not happen in a long time or ever. I do think Craven is a possibility. No goblins for a little while would be nice.
Darkly Tranquil
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Yep. That was the arc that made me give up reading comics for about a decade.
As for villains, I nominate Stilt Man.
Or, given the more progressive tone of modern Marvel, how about Lady Stilt Man (I wish I was kidding).
Motherfucking
Paste.
Pot.
Pete.
The OG. The bomb. The maestro of Parker's pain.
Doesn't this look like a man who would just fuck your shit up?
came here for PPP
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Why settle for Stilt-Man and Paste-Pot Pete when we could have the fucking Kangaroo
Old-school Kangaroo didn't even have a fancy suit, or an outfit of any kind really, he was just a dude who jumped high
Old-school Kangaroo didn't even have a fancy suit, or an outfit of any kind really, he was just a dude who jumped high
Mysterio has been my answer since they first tried to reboot Spider-Man with ASM. You can get that grounded sense that they will likely be going for, with the ability to get crazy while having the perfect "out" since he's dealing with illusions and special effects. They can go over the top and set the stage for more wackiness or more grounded stuff in the future, since having a more grounded villain (or at least a grounded explanation for the craziness) in the first film makes a wackier villain in the sequel more of a stretch (see: a mutated Lizard in ASM -> giant robot Rhino/diseased Goblin/Dr. Manhattan Electro). I think pairing him up with Chameleon like people have mentioned is a perfect combo.
I'd also like to see Shocker as a side villain.
Kraven is a great candidate for a grounded villain.
I'd be cool with them revisiting Green Goblin and Venom and doing them right, but I think the one that would be the coolest to revisit (despite being depicted pretty well already) would be Doctor Octopus just since his explanation for his arms can be easily explained, he's just over the top enough but not too much, and we can get a cool looking, but different, depiction from what we've already gotten.
It's a damn shame Raimi never got to be the one to get the pay off of building up Curt Connors.
It seems like a lot of his most iconic villains are either difficult to adapt for film well or not worth the effort. Like Sandman looked awesome in SM3 but even with a new backstory, is it really worth it? Guys like Rhino and Electro had a shot, but the results were eh. Even if they did it better the second time, it's almost better to build up characters like Norman Osborn or Venom again, or dig into his B-List villains, than give those guys a prominent role as the villain. Though I suppose you could have Mysterio as a sort of explanation for guys like Rhino, Electro, Scorpion, etc. guys in goofy costumes with some sort of tech explanation for their powers and sort of SFX explanation for their appearance..
Maybe it's all about how they choose to group up the villiains so they can have a more natural association for interacting together.
Make him a grizzled war veteran that actually was the one who piloted the prototype of the Falcon wings.
Get someone like Stephen Lang, assuming he doesn't get cast as Cable, but regardless, someone like him, and you have a believeable old dude that is flying around in a wing suit without looking too silly.
I'd also like to see Shocker as a side villain.
Kraven is a great candidate for a grounded villain.
I'd be cool with them revisiting Green Goblin and Venom and doing them right, but I think the one that would be the coolest to revisit (despite being depicted pretty well already) would be Doctor Octopus just since his explanation for his arms can be easily explained, he's just over the top enough but not too much, and we can get a cool looking, but different, depiction from what we've already gotten.
It's a damn shame Raimi never got to be the one to get the pay off of building up Curt Connors.
It seems like a lot of his most iconic villains are either difficult to adapt for film well or not worth the effort. Like Sandman looked awesome in SM3 but even with a new backstory, is it really worth it? Guys like Rhino and Electro had a shot, but the results were eh. Even if they did it better the second time, it's almost better to build up characters like Norman Osborn or Venom again, or dig into his B-List villains, than give those guys a prominent role as the villain. Though I suppose you could have Mysterio as a sort of explanation for guys like Rhino, Electro, Scorpion, etc. guys in goofy costumes with some sort of tech explanation for their powers and sort of SFX explanation for their appearance..
Maybe it's all about how they choose to group up the villiains so they can have a more natural association for interacting together.
I used to think so too, but they just need to depict him different.Vulture. It would be so massively stupid.
Make him a grizzled war veteran that actually was the one who piloted the prototype of the Falcon wings.
Get someone like Stephen Lang, assuming he doesn't get cast as Cable, but regardless, someone like him, and you have a believeable old dude that is flying around in a wing suit without looking too silly.
The Cretan
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Just go straight to this:
Sinister Six would be the shit, but not for the first movie.
Introduce the most of the villains in the first two movies, then have Hammer industries create two or three villains in the beginning of the third movie and then the villains of the previous movies form the Sinister Six with the new villains.
They can also introduce the symbiote and Eddie Brock in the second movie, have Peter wear the black suit to beat the Sinister Six and have him battle Venom in the fourth movie.
Why settle for Stilt-Man and Paste-Pot Pete when we could have the fucking Kangaroo
Old-school Kangaroo didn't even have a fancy suit, or an outfit of any kind really, he was just a dude who jumped high
In a perfect world, he would have been scouted for the NBA. Instead he's a supervillain.
Only if they're introducing Scourge into the movie universe. Justice is served
Not Venom. They need to build up to Venom properly and for real with the black costume, preferably after Secret Wars in Phase 4.
Mysterio has possibilities, but after the Civil War story it seems the idea of Kraven being a superhero hunter of some kind would make sense and be thematically relevant to the overall MCU.
Mads is already in Doctor Strange, and beyond that they have to reserve him to play Doctor Doom when they get the rights back.
Mysterio has possibilities, but after the Civil War story it seems the idea of Kraven being a superhero hunter of some kind would make sense and be thematically relevant to the overall MCU.
Mads is already in Doctor Strange, and beyond that they have to reserve him to play Doctor Doom when they get the rights back.
they could easily do a kraven & chameleon double-up for the next spiderman film.
would love to see Kraven show up as world-famous wildlife reality-tv celebrity (something like bear grills), while secretly hunting spiderman and publicly labelling him as a monster while chameleon psychologically messes with peters personal life.
would love to see kraven become more & more obsessed with killing spiderman as the movie goes on, then after finally subduing & impersonating him, takes his own life at the end… just like the "kraven's last Hunt' story arc.
would love to see Kraven show up as world-famous wildlife reality-tv celebrity (something like bear grills), while secretly hunting spiderman and publicly labelling him as a monster while chameleon psychologically messes with peters personal life.
would love to see kraven become more & more obsessed with killing spiderman as the movie goes on, then after finally subduing & impersonating him, takes his own life at the end… just like the "kraven's last Hunt' story arc.
nintendork666
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Go Vermin or go home.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Venom is the only villain they should focus on, but it will probably be 3 other villains instead.
Red Arremer
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Why settle for Stilt-Man and Paste-Pot Pete when we could have the fucking Kangaroo
Old-school Kangaroo didn't even have a fancy suit, or an outfit of any kind really, he was just a dude who jumped high
Why settle for Kangaroo, if you can have... The Wall?
KeyChainDude
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Carnage would be pretty rad (even if he's kinda like Venom a bit).
FUNKNOWN iXi
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A Venom/Carnage Spider-Man movie is needed. If not first, then absolutely by the second movie. Enough of this shit already, too much fuckery over the years!Carnage would be pretty rad (even if he's kinda like Venom a bit).
V E N O M needs to be shown some goddamn RESPECT, then show Carnage in the later half of the movie, leading right into the standalone Venom movie!
lol you expect Venom/Carnage from the start? Nooooope. That's like... a third movie thing.
Red Arremer
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A bit?
He's exactly like Venom, only more two-dimensional. They introduced Carnage to have a symbiote villain who is beyond redemption, since Venom had started to become less a villain and more an anti-hero.
What a boring ass character, with no chance of ever developing beyond just being a crazy mass murderer.
The only way they were able to justify him having some sort of character development was by introducing some crazy magic curse that turned villains good and heroes evil, and even then he stayed a psychopath killing people without remorse.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Morbius. Always liked him in the cartoon. There could be a Blade cameo!
Mysterio, Hobgoblin.
Save Kraven for a future Spider-Man movie, one where he has a reputation. Spider-Man must be the reason Kraven comes to New York.
I'm kind of partial to Morbius, but I feel like the tragic villain has been played out, especially in Spider-Man movies, too much; Goblin, Doc Ock, Electro, Lizard, Sandman.....
And, seriously, go full "fuck it" down the line and do a Venom / Carnage / Antivenom symbiotesfest movie. Make it as 90s as you can get before you hit Saved By The Bell, forget storyline, just a full-on pornographic symbiote battle royale.
Save Kraven for a future Spider-Man movie, one where he has a reputation. Spider-Man must be the reason Kraven comes to New York.
I'm kind of partial to Morbius, but I feel like the tragic villain has been played out, especially in Spider-Man movies, too much; Goblin, Doc Ock, Electro, Lizard, Sandman.....
And, seriously, go full "fuck it" down the line and do a Venom / Carnage / Antivenom symbiotesfest movie. Make it as 90s as you can get before you hit Saved By The Bell, forget storyline, just a full-on pornographic symbiote battle royale.
But venom is the whackest dude around. I'd rather have a movie with The Spot as the villain over venom.
Unless they got Brock Lesnar to be eddie brock, then I'm on board.
not everything needs to be grey.
Red Arremer
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Don't get me wrong, I like a good villain that's a pure villain - I'm not referring to becoming a hero, at all. But Carnage is not a good villain in any direction. He will always remain exactly the same forever and ever. He's not smart, he's not charismatic, he's not even a proper force of nature kind of villain like Galactus. He's just some maniac with super powers, and that's all he ever will be. And Spider-Man simply has a lot cooler, more interesting villains, some of which even fulfill that trope a lot better than Carnage.
Take Green Goblin, for example. He's also a crazy lunatic and a psychopath, but he actually has goals beyond smearing some pedestrians' guts across the nearest wall and personality beyond "I wanna kill all the things". And because of that, the character of Norman Osborn has traveled across really interesting storylines, including making his own fake Avengers team of villains pretending to be the actual Avengers.
Or if you watched the Netflix shows - the Kingpin and Purple Man are amazing villains. Irredeemably evil villains. But they're great because they just have so much more potential and ability to go beyond the role of "the guy that the hero punches a few times", which both of them have done already.
Carnage will never have the capability to rise beyond being a common goon, because that's what he is locked to be for eternity.
The only thing Carnage has going for him is that he looks interesting/somewhat menacing and can make his tendrils into axes, I suppose.
Carnage doesn't exactly have to be a deep character, per se. He's basically there to give Venom some redemption since he feels like he created him. That's why it seems you can't mention Venom without Carnage since it's like Spider-Man created Venom but then Venom created an even worse monster.
Carnage can be a psycho murderer (especially since the MCU hasn't exactly had someone who kills for the sake for killing) since he contrasts with Peter who has a pretty pure moral compass, and then Venom gets to be the nuanced, developed villain with shades of grey that everyone loves to see in their modern villains.
He doesn't have to be a character so much as an antagonist whose twisted view gives perspective to/and develops Eddie and Peter as characters.
Give Cletus shades of Hannibal and boom, you got a character who doesn't have to be so one dimensional.
Speaking of psychos, how complex a character was Heath Ledger's Joker anyways?
BKatastrophe
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Everyone that's saying Kraven is doing so because (I assume) of Last Hunt? Which is amazing. One of the best superhero stories I've ever read. However, those suggesting him for the first movie...you do realize that in order to get a proper adaption, it would need to be the third film (or potentially later)? Like, it doesn't work otherwise.
Regardless, I say we do someone with Cardiac on the side for the first film, have Black Tarantula for the second film who completely breaks Spidey. Cardiac helps Spidey recover only for Kraven to swoop in for Kraven's Last Hunt for the third film. Trantula would be the perfect villain for Kraven to hunt and prove he's superior...
Regardless, I say we do someone with Cardiac on the side for the first film, have Black Tarantula for the second film who completely breaks Spidey. Cardiac helps Spidey recover only for Kraven to swoop in for Kraven's Last Hunt for the third film. Trantula would be the perfect villain for Kraven to hunt and prove he's superior...
I need to see that dumb fucking clothes machine in a big screen film
Who has the Savage Land rights?
Space Knight is fun as fuck though
Red Arremer
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You are making an assumption here - that I think the Joker is a complex character - I always disliked the Joker as a villain, and I didn't like Heath Ledger's portrayal as him, either. I think he suffers from a similar syndrome as Carnage, just that he is a lot more established and due to the many storylines involving the Joker over the decades of his existence, there's a lot more source material to draw from.
I understand why Carnage was introduced (in fact, I mentioned that Marvel wanted a symbiote villain without the possibility for redemption as the main reason for it earlier), and I understand that his lack of morals is in direct opposition to Parker's, while also giving Venom a reason to be an unwilling hero (though I feel like Venom has the potential to not need that particular reason).
IF the movie makers were to create an appealing villain out of Carnage, I would not be as opposed as I am to him right now. But knowing that even Marvel themselves have always struggled with the portrayal of Carnage does not make me very optimistic about his potential as a villain in a movie created by Sony, who already have a questionable track record with past Spider-Man movies, especially the latest entry.
Despite Marvel taking on partial creative control over Spider-Man films, I seriously doubt that they can pull off Carnage in film, if they couldn't even pull him off in the books
However, this is a situation where I'd gladly eat crow. So far, any storyline that involved Carnage was muddied by him, except maybe AXIS (which was shit on its own, but Carnage was at least tolerable in it), so that's why I am biased against him.
To my knowledge: Savage Lands themselves along with Ka-Zar/Shanna and Devil Dinosaur belong to Marvel, but the mutant-related characters such as Sauron belong to FOX. That said, Marvel has a secondary dinosaur-related villain tied to the Savage Land in Stegron, so it's not a big deal.
Spider-Man 1
Main villain: Mysterio with Chameleon not being a main villain but playing a significant role
Minor Villains: Shocker, Scorpion, and Rhino both working for Mysterio or whatever low level goofy looking dudes
Introduce Daily Bugle with J.J.J. and Eddie, as well as Dr. Connors, Harry Osborn, and some (or several) potential love interests. Work, school, friendship, love, taking care of Aunt May, Pete is juggling it all.
Spider-Man 2:
Main Villain: Kraven for Kraven's Last Hunt storyline and Kingpin
Minor Villains: Lizard or Man-Wolf (real animal person who Kraven first hunts down before Peter), and a proper intro for Norman who only is mentioned and briefly seen in 1. Punisher and Black Cat are also characters he clashes with, the latter of which has ties to Kingpin before she turns a new leaf.
Basically shit is getting real for Peter now and the name of Spider-Man is really making headlines (literally). You've got some big time figures gunning for his head, literally and figuratively. Some want him dead, others think he's just getting in the way, (including relationships in his personal and professional life like with Eddie), and others still begin to watch him closely like Kraven and Norman.
Spider-Man 3
Main Villain: Venom (almost in a Loki-like role) and Carnage the main antagonist
Minor Villain: Green Goblin, but more mysterious, you don't know who he is or what his agenda is just that he's a terrorist tied to Spider-Man a little like TDK Joker but not really. Green Goblin wouldn't really be minor, but the story would focus more on the symbiote story.
Now the threat isn't just aimed at Spider-Man's life but the lives of everyone in NY. The theme would be that these are the monsters that Spider-Man created. The second movie was about the enemies Spider-Man finds by doing what he does, but this is where Peter has a direct hand in creating his enemies and has more guilt about needing to stop them. Venom realizes his hatred for Peter is hatred for himself when he finds himself in a similar position creating his own monster in Carnage and teams up with Spider-Man to stop Green Goblin and Carnage. Green Goblin escapes but not before Peter realizes that he is Norman Osborn. They could avoid retreading the symbiote suit origin in Raimi's SM3 but twisting the origin, Spider-Man gets the symbiote for a suit but it was an alien compound that he purposely formed into a suit but when he realized it didn't just make him stronger, it was alive and trying to control his mind, he had to get rid of it.
Spider-Man 4
Main Villain: Green Goblin
Minor Villains: The Sinister Six (Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Vulture (with Falcon-like wing pack), Electro, Sandman, The Jackal), Doppleganger
Green Goblin resurfaces but this time he's crazier. Before he had a mask but now he looks like a mix of Hobgoblin/Demogoblin/Green Goblin. He was able to get a sample of the symbiote and make a synthetic version of it to further augment his own strength. The Jackal is experimenting with cloning trying to clone Spider-Man with results in a sort of Clone saga but including Ben Reilly, Kaine, and this time Doppleganger as some failed clone mutation. Idk, this may all be a bad idea but I thought there should be build up for Green Goblin and some sort of Sinister Six to really raise the stakes and showcase a bunch of big villains that might not really need to be the focus of the film. The clone stuff gives Spider-Man some more allies to take them on and the experimentation can perhaps explain how guys like Sandman and and Electro got their powers.
Oh no, I didn't mean to OD on the fan fiction.
Main villain: Mysterio with Chameleon not being a main villain but playing a significant role
Minor Villains: Shocker, Scorpion, and Rhino both working for Mysterio or whatever low level goofy looking dudes
Introduce Daily Bugle with J.J.J. and Eddie, as well as Dr. Connors, Harry Osborn, and some (or several) potential love interests. Work, school, friendship, love, taking care of Aunt May, Pete is juggling it all.
Spider-Man 2:
Main Villain: Kraven for Kraven's Last Hunt storyline and Kingpin
Minor Villains: Lizard or Man-Wolf (real animal person who Kraven first hunts down before Peter), and a proper intro for Norman who only is mentioned and briefly seen in 1. Punisher and Black Cat are also characters he clashes with, the latter of which has ties to Kingpin before she turns a new leaf.
Basically shit is getting real for Peter now and the name of Spider-Man is really making headlines (literally). You've got some big time figures gunning for his head, literally and figuratively. Some want him dead, others think he's just getting in the way, (including relationships in his personal and professional life like with Eddie), and others still begin to watch him closely like Kraven and Norman.
Spider-Man 3
Main Villain: Venom (almost in a Loki-like role) and Carnage the main antagonist
Minor Villain: Green Goblin, but more mysterious, you don't know who he is or what his agenda is just that he's a terrorist tied to Spider-Man a little like TDK Joker but not really. Green Goblin wouldn't really be minor, but the story would focus more on the symbiote story.
Now the threat isn't just aimed at Spider-Man's life but the lives of everyone in NY. The theme would be that these are the monsters that Spider-Man created. The second movie was about the enemies Spider-Man finds by doing what he does, but this is where Peter has a direct hand in creating his enemies and has more guilt about needing to stop them. Venom realizes his hatred for Peter is hatred for himself when he finds himself in a similar position creating his own monster in Carnage and teams up with Spider-Man to stop Green Goblin and Carnage. Green Goblin escapes but not before Peter realizes that he is Norman Osborn. They could avoid retreading the symbiote suit origin in Raimi's SM3 but twisting the origin, Spider-Man gets the symbiote for a suit but it was an alien compound that he purposely formed into a suit but when he realized it didn't just make him stronger, it was alive and trying to control his mind, he had to get rid of it.
Spider-Man 4
Main Villain: Green Goblin
Minor Villains: The Sinister Six (Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Vulture (with Falcon-like wing pack), Electro, Sandman, The Jackal), Doppleganger
Green Goblin resurfaces but this time he's crazier. Before he had a mask but now he looks like a mix of Hobgoblin/Demogoblin/Green Goblin. He was able to get a sample of the symbiote and make a synthetic version of it to further augment his own strength. The Jackal is experimenting with cloning trying to clone Spider-Man with results in a sort of Clone saga but including Ben Reilly, Kaine, and this time Doppleganger as some failed clone mutation. Idk, this may all be a bad idea but I thought there should be build up for Green Goblin and some sort of Sinister Six to really raise the stakes and showcase a bunch of big villains that might not really need to be the focus of the film. The clone stuff gives Spider-Man some more allies to take them on and the experimentation can perhaps explain how guys like Sandman and and Electro got their powers.
Oh no, I didn't mean to OD on the fan fiction.
I wasn't making an assumption about what you think of the Joker, but I thought TDK Joker was a good touchstone of a similar villain that gets lots of praise. The consensus is pretty much that it was a good villain, even if people debate whether it was a good Joker, it's hard to deny how the Joker really tied that film together and Havey was the one with the development while Joker mainly remained a mystery. They could have a similar outline as TDK but instead of Joker driving Harvey to turn evil, Venom could be bad and Carnage turns him to a hero.
It's not like I'm really a fan of Venom or Carnage (except enjoying the idea and stories as a kid) but I think it could be done.
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