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[thefro]

The "portable this year, console next year" is really just based on one analyst's report

Nintendo Co. is likely to release a new hand-held game device this year, an analyst at U.S. research firm IHS Inc. said on Thursday, strengthening a market view that the videogame company’s new system, code-named NX, will include a portable machine.

“We expect a small recovery in shipments of flat-panel displays for game devices because of Nintendo’s new game hardware expected to be released in 2016,” said Hiroshi Hayase, a senior principal analyst at IHS Technology, part of IHS, at the firm’s display forum held in Tokyo.

The research firm expects shipments of displays sized between 3.1-inches and 5.0-inches wide to increase to 16.5 million units this year, up from 14.1 million units last year. OLED displays would remain unused by the market players, the data show.

Mr. Hayase declined to specify what size of display Nintendo is likely to use for its new device, but said he expects the product to be a stand-alone portable gaming machine, such as the 3DS, rather than a display-equipped controller for a console such as Wii U.

Note that IHS doesn't say there's no console coming in 2016, just that they think the display is for a portable gaming machine. David Gibson is the one who thinks the console NX won't be until 2017.

David Gibson, an analyst at Macquarie Capital Securities, wrote in a recent report that he expects “a portable NX” to be launched in November, at a price range between $200 and $300. A partner console will follow in 2017, and the platform would include augmented reality functions, he said.

We haven't gotten any confirmation from a credible, proven source to confirm anything the analysts have said, so it's best to classify both those as rumors.

I think you can make an argument for any scenario at this point:
- Both portable and console launch in 2016
- Both portable and console launch in 2017
- Console in 16, portable in 17
- Portable in 16, console in 17
- Region-specific launches for console in NA/EU in 16 with portable following there in 17. Japan gets portable in 16 with console to follow in 17

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

How is this a leak? Everyone knew this the second Zelda got delayed and NX was announced.

Eh not really everyone here in a echo chamber on that though

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Until we get either confirmation from bish about trev's source, or Nintendo themselves tell us, best to take everything with a huge spooning of salt.

 

[Nostremitus]

LOL, I knew something wasn't right with that spelling.

Anyway, while Nintendo's API will be proprietary, it will undoubtedly be based on Vulkan, considering that Nintendo is now part of the working group for Vulkan.

I thought they were contributors for the mobile implementation. They need to know the API if they're going to be porting their engines to it or building new engines around it for mobile games.

 

[TheMoon]

Until we get either confirmation from bish about trev's source, or Nintendo themselves tell us, best to take everything with a huge spooning of salt.

Someone ask the guys with all that Splatoon and Bayo2 salt if they can spare some for us over here. We need a lot and they sure do have plenty

 

[brainchild]

I thought they were contributors for the mobile implementation. They need to know the API if they're going to be porting their engines to it or building new engines around it for mobile games.

The Vulkan API is open-source, so Nintendo wouldn't even need to be a contributor to become familiar with it. Furthermore, Vulkan is OS agnostic and cross-platform, so the same API will work on both mobile devices and high-end systems; there's no distinction between the two.

And most importantly, Nintendo is part of the working group for the Vulkan API, so they're actively playing a role in its development; I'm fairly certain NX is going to use Vulkan.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Never forget!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564809

 

[Volotaire]

Never forget!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564809

I remember this like it was yesterday. Good times, good times.

 

[Neoxon]

Did Trev say he had info on the upcoming 3DS schedule? That might explain something of what's going on with Federation Force. The fact that it's been totally AWOL since E3 and notably missed all PR and the November Direct since then indicates they're doing something with it. Maybe not huge, but I doubt it'll be released in a form identical to what we saw at reveal.

I'm calling maybe a quiet September or August launch personally, but that's just a semi-educated guess. I'm not an insider.

I think Trev is still waiting for Bish to verify his source.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Well there's pokemon as well this year, in addition to Metroid and whatever else might be left for E3.

 

[Nostremitus]

The Vulkan API is open-source, so Nintendo wouldn't even need to be a contributor to become familiar with it. Furthermore, Vulkan is OS agnostic and cross-platform, so the same API will work on both mobile devices and high-end systems; there's no distinction between the two.

And most importantly, Nintendo is part of the working group for the Vulkan API, so they're actively playing a role in its development; I'm fairly certain NX is going to use Vulkan.

Cool, I wasn't sure how that worked... thanks.

Would Nintendo using Vulkan would make it easier to get ports, right?

 

[The_Lump]

How is this a leak? Everyone knew this the second Zelda got delayed and NX was announced.

No they didn't. They assumed. Big difference between the two.

 

[Brofield]

Never forget!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564809

Fuck, I laughed* so hard reading Star Tropics U again

Spoiler

*cried

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Kinda realised (in my opinion) that the reason that Zelda Wii U is literally not getting a millisecond of coverage, is because they're going to show it off as an NX launch title at E3/whatever the NX launch event ends up being aren't they?

I know we figured that it'd get a dual release but I've never worked out why we've not seen more of it so far. I guess its because it wouldn't be a big reveal if we had spent the last year knowing much about it.

 

[DragonKnight]

I gotta say if I was privy to insider ninty info i would never share it with you guys. I know nintendo has made some boneheaded decisions in the past but in general i feel there is so much negativity in this thread in general that really only seems to swirl around nintendo. I dont recall such sentiments leading up to sony or microsoft reveals. It almost as if positive rumours regarding nitnedo are immediately thought as false and negative rumors as accepted as probable. Makes me not even want to check back on this thread sometikes. I mean Trev is dropping some good info and people are all " no shit zelda is coming to the nx". Trev if I were you I wouldnt say shit and stay completely silent until nintendo decides to unveil the curtain on whatever the nx is.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

I don't know if its necessarily negativity (not all of it) I fucking love Nintendo, I'd probably call myself a fanboy if I didn't think that term was stupid. I just really want my NX, and I want Zelda, and I want nintendo to be and do better.

 

[Exterminieren]

Never forget!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564809

This is why making a new thread for tenuous, unconfirmed news is a bad idea. It never reflects well if and when the info turns out to be bunk.

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but threads should be made for leaks when there's long-established and verified sources, or when tangible evidence is provided. Otherwise it contributes absolutely nothing.

 

[Pinky]

Entries on imdb certainly can be edited, but the possibility of SMG3 coming in the future isn't far-fetched. Miyamoto spoke about it himself last year.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/super-mari...ussion-nintendo-says-shigeru-miyamoto-1518806

Shigeru Miyamoto has been talking candidly about the possibility of Super Mario Galaxy 3 becoming reality, revealing that the game is "always in discussion" at Nintendo. He made the comments in an interview with Eurogamer while promoting Super Mario Maker.

"Me and [Yoshiaki] Koizumi-san, director of Galaxy, are always looking to challenge Galaxy and do another 3D action title," said the legendary developer. "However we can't make so many games at once in parallel."

"But as the hardware technology gets better and advances, I think there will be a lot of opportunity for both options."

The bolded part at the end suggests to me that NX could quite possibly play host to a third entry in the Galaxy series. Only time will tell.

 

[James Scott]

Never forget!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564809

I liked how his safe bets (Mario kart cash in and impressive 3D Mario) were both wrong.

Entries on imdb certainly can be edited, but the possibility of SMG3 coming in the future isn't far-fetched. Miyamoto spoke about it himself last year.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/super-mari...ussion-nintendo-says-shigeru-miyamoto-1518806
The bolded part at the end suggests to me that NX could quite possibly play host to a third entry in the Galaxy series. Only time will tell.

While I love Galaxy as much as the next person, I'd also like to see Nintendo try different things with Mario.
I think a good idea would be what they did with Super Mario World 2 and make it a spin off based on the new character (Rosalina Galaxy)
Allows them to experiment not being held back by the license.
They've seemingly been building her up with Smash, 3D World, and more.
It allows them to make a new installment whenever they want and I think they'll get props for making a new franchise star a female protagonist.

 

[DragonKnight]

I don't know if its necessarily negativity (not all of it) I fucking love Nintendo, I'd probably call myself a fanboy if I didn't think that term was stupid. I just really want my NX, and I want Zelda, and I want nintendo to be and do better.

I mean take the FFXV rumour which was laughed outta the thread. Is it so hard to believe that square would want to release a game on a new japanese console? A game that has been in development over 10 years? I mean what would they have to lose? Also it doesnt seem so farfetched after DQXI was announced for the NX which is a major AAA release.


And KHIII is also possible considering the 3DS got an exclusive mainline release of the series.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

I mean take the FFXV rumour which was laughed outta the thread. Is it so hard to believe that square would want to release a game on a new japanese console? A game that has been in development over 10 years? I mean what would they have to lose? Also it doesnt seem so farfetched after DQXI was announced for the NX which is a major AAA release.


And KHIII is also possible considering the 3DS got an exclusive mainline release of the series.

I dunno, better to not believe and have a pleasant surprise than hype yourself and get nothing for your hype.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Did bish confirm young travy yet?

 

[DragonKnight]

I don't know if its necessarily negativity (not all of it) I fucking love Nintendo, I'd probably call myself a fanboy if I didn't think that term was stupid. I just really want my NX, and I want Zelda, and I want nintendo to be and do better.

Speaking of your username dude please tell me you have seen the new harry potter illustrated books. I just learned about them last night. Thread derail over.

 

[DragonKnight]

I dunno, better to not believe and have a pleasant surprise than hype yourself and get nothing for your hype.

Not to believe is one thing but when it comes to nintedo is often goes just beyond simple disbelief. Maybe Id feel differently if I didnt also own a ps4 but as long as I get to play nintendo games I dont give a fuck what it is.

 

[DragonKnight]

Did bish confirm young travy yet?

Why bother? According to many posters its obvious that Zelda wiiu is coming to the NX. Not really much of a rumour right?

 

[Pineapple]

Well there's pokemon as well this year, in addition to Metroid and whatever else might be left for E3.

Is it completely unrealistic at this point to expect Pokemon Z to appear on the NX?

X/Y came out in fall of 2013. We're going on 2.5 years now without another Gen. VI entry. Is this the longest we've had to wait between games of the same generation?

Hope something is announced soon either way.

 

[DragonKnight]

Is it completely unrealistic at this point to expect Pokemon Z to appear on the NX?

X/Y came out in fall of 2013. We're going on 2.5 years now without another Gen. VI entry. Is this the longest we've had to wait between games of the same generation?

Hope something is announced soon either way.

According to Trev the handheld doesnt seem to be dropping this year and you know mainline poke games will never be on a console. We will see though.

 

[Neoxon]

Is it completely unrealistic at this point to expect Pokemon Z to appear on the NX?

X/Y came out in fall of 2013. We're going on 2.5 years now without another Gen. VI entry. Is this the longest we've had to wait between games of the same generation?

Hope something is announced soon either way.

It's rather unlikely for a few reasons...

1. Game Freak likes to take their sweet time when it comes to adopting new hardware.
2. Pokémon generations usually start & end on the platform they start on. Having Z on a completely different platform than X/Y & OR/AS would be completely unprecedented.

Not to mention that Trev has indicated that the NX Handheld isn't coming this year.....at least in North America. I do fully expect Gen 7 to be NX-bound. But Z is probably gonna stay on the 3DS & serve as the system's swan song.

 

[Pineapple]

According to Trev the handheld doesnt seem to be dropping this year and you know mainline poke games will never be on a console. We will see though.

Woah, really? I thought the popular thought was that the handheld was coming this fall, with a console to follow next year.

Evidently I missed some key information.

 

[Pokemaniac]

Is it completely unrealistic at this point to expect Pokemon Z to appear on the NX?

X/Y came out in fall of 2013. We're going on 2.5 years now without another Gen. VI entry. Is this the longest we've had to wait between games of the same generation?

Hope something is announced soon either way.

Yes. It will either be a 3DS game, or completely canceled (and I'd only seriously entertain this possibility if it's not announced among the anniversary festivities within the next week or so). Pokemon doesn't change hardware mid-gen, and there are a bunch of technical reasons why it wouldn't be a great idea to break that pattern.

Also, this wait time is perfectly normal.

 

[James Scott]

It's rather unlikely for a few reasons...

1. Game Freak likes to take their sweet time when it comes to adopting new hardware.
2. Pokémon generations usually start & end on the platform they start on. Having Z on a completely different platform than X/Y & OR/AS would be completely unprecedented.

Not to mention that Trev has indicated that the NX Handheld isn't coming this year.....at least in North America. I do fully expect Gen 7 to be NX-bound. But Z is probably gonna stay on the 3DS & serve as the system's swan song.

Did he? Might of missed that.

 

[Pokemaniac]

It's rather unlikely for a few reasons...

1. Game Freak likes to take their sweet time when it comes to adopting new hardware.
2. Pokémon generations usually start & end on the platform they start on. Having Z on a completely different platform than X/Y & OR/AS would be completely unprecedented.

Not to mention that Trev has indicated that the NX Handheld isn't coming this year.....at least in North America. I do fully expect Gen 7 to be NX-bound. But Z is probably gonna stay on the 3DS & serve as the system's swan song.

I'm pretty sure that was just speculation based on the 3DS lineup. Just like how claiming the form factor releasing this year was the console based on Zelda releasing on it.

 

[deriks]

X/Y came out in fall of 2013. We're going on 2.5 years now without another Gen. VI entry. Is this the longest we've had to wait between games of the same generation?

Hope something is announced soon either way.

Because is more a console thing. Only the DS has two generations, and that was mostly because it's passed four years from Diamond/Pearl to Black/White

 

[Pokemaniac]

Because is more a console thing. Only the DS has two generations, and that was mostly because it's passed four years from Diamond/Pearl to Black/White

There were also two Game Boy generations. Though, the Game Boy was on the market for a super long time, and, in both cases, the second gen on the hardware was built more for the upgraded revision (the Game Boy Color and the DSi).

 

[Meesh]

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but threads should be made for leaks when there's long-established and verified sources, or when tangible evidence is provided. Otherwise it contributes absolutely nothing.

...fond memories my good man, it contributes to Gafs long standing tradition of epic fails and fond fucking memories.

 

[James Scott]

Before any of the now conflicting rumors came out I speculated that they'd both launch this year, maybe the portable in late summer and the console in November kind of how they handled Smash Bros.
launching so far apart seems a bit weird.
A few major Japanese 3DS titles were delayed till summer like Yokai and MH Stories, both of which would translate nicely to new hardware thanks to their art style.
If the portable doesn't come out this year it could miss out on Pokemon on its anniversary if GF is porting it or making an NX exclusive.
If the console doesn't come out this year it'll miss Zelda on its anniversary and titles like FFXV if SE wants to port it.
Though if the system isn't ready it's better not to rush it.
We'd need it hear about it soon if either is coming out this year, I think.

 

[Neoxon]

I'm pretty sure that was just speculation based on the 3DS lineup. Just like how claiming the form factor releasing this year was the console based on Zelda releasing on it.

Oh, I thought he knew for sure that the console was coming first.

Before any of the now conflicting rumors came out I speculated that they'd both launch this year, maybe the portable in late summer and the console in November kind of how they handled Smash Bros.
launching so far apart seems a bit weird.
A few major Japanese 3DS titles were delayed till summer like Yokai and MH Stories, both of which would translate nicely to new hardware thanks to their art style.
If the portable doesn't come out this year it could miss out on Pokemon on its anniversary if GF is porting it or making an NX exclusive.
If the console doesn't come out this year it'll miss Zelda on its anniversary and titles like FFXV if SE wants to port it.
Though if the system isn't ready it's better not to rush it.
We'd need it hear about it soon if either is coming out this year, I think.

Game Freak's probably gonna keep Z/X2-Y2/Whatever on the 3DS either way.

 

[brainchild]

Cool, I wasn't sure how that worked... thanks.

Would Nintendo using Vulkan would make it easier to get ports, right?

Definitely. Of course, that's assuming the respective ports are using the Vulkan API in the first place, which will be most 3rd party games in the near future.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Oh, I thought he knew for sure that the console was coming first.

He don't know shit. In fact I'm willing to bet my avatar on it. If his information is somehow legit I'll change my avatar to Kirito from SAO for four months.

If that's not a mark of shame I don't know what is.

 

[Neoxon]

He don't know shit. In fact I'm willing to bet my avatar on it. If his information is somehow legit I'll change my avatar to Kirito from SAO for four months.

If that's not a mark of shame I don't know what is.

And if Bish verifies his source?

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

Four months of the mark of shame.

 

[Agent Unknown]

The home market needs to be Nintendo's priority, it sounds like based on Trev's source they understand this. I don't need the NX handheld this fall, I have no problem playing my 3DS until at least 2017, it has a superb library with tons of titles I still need to catch up on. Dragon Quest VII and VIII alone will keep me busy for many months and if there is still a semi-steady stream of AAA titles here and there for it along with Pokemon Z, ect. it should be fine for quite awhile until the new handheld is truly needed and ready to go.

 

[Exterminieren]

Is it completely unrealistic at this point to expect Pokemon Z to appear on the NX?

X/Y came out in fall of 2013. We're going on 2.5 years now without another Gen. VI entry. Is this the longest we've had to wait between games of the same generation?

Hope something is announced soon either way.

Well, ORAS counts as part of Gen VI, so it's only been a year and a half- far from uncommon for the series.

In any case, having Z jump platform completely defeats the purpose of the third version- cheap reuses of engine, assets and settings, perhaps with a few token areas and forms to sweeten the pot. If you're going to go to the effort to build the game for a new platform, you may as well go to the effort of making a whole new generation and sell twice as many copies.

If Z is not coming to the 3DS, which is certainly not impossible, then it simply isn't coming at all.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Speaking of your username dude please tell me you have seen the new harry potter illustrated books. I just learned about them last night. Thread derail over.

I did, looks amazing

It is possible gen 6.5 doesn't exist. But this would be the first time ever (right) we'd gone 2 years without a main series pokemon release, unless gen 7 is more ready than we'd assume, and the first main series games to not get rereleases or sequels based on the same engine, (Yellow, crystal, emerald, platinum, black and white 2, etc)

 

[deriks]

There were also two Game Boy generations. Though, the Game Boy was on the market for a super long time, and, in both cases, the second gen on the hardware was built more for the upgraded revision (the Game Boy Color and the DSi).

So, again, a console thing

 

[Deleted member 465307]

It seems there is some confusion/misinformation about what Trevelyan9999's report said. Some of it was a report, some of it was conclusions he made based on his info. The reported info was as follows:

1) Zelda NX is planned to be a launch window game for 2016.
2) Wii U has one more unannounced game, as well as some kind of Minecraft Nintendo project.

From that info, he and/or his source concluded the following. Note that this means it is not confirmed info but rather educated guesses:

1) Due to the Wii U's lacking lineup and Zelda NX (presumably a port of Zelda Wii U), it is a home console NX that is launching in 2016.

Holiday Season 2016 is mentioned in the report, but it is not clear whether this is confirmed by the source or an educated guess.

I am not sure what region this applies to, but it must be either North America or Europe because he mentions #FE coming this year. My assumption is that this is all written with North America in mind.

Note that the form factor of the system was not confirmed by a source. What was confirmed is that Zelda NX is planned to arrive in the launch window of NX in 2016.

Source: http://www.nintengen.com/2016/02/nintendo-nx-zelda-nx-confirmed-2016.html?m=1

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Never forget!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=564809

This is nothing.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=475014&page=2

Start at post #63.

CTRL+F = GTA

A lot of people thought that GTA V would be a timed exclusive, lololololololol.

 

[Exterminieren]

I did, looks amazing

It is possible gen 6.5 doesn't exist. But this would be the first time ever (right) we'd gone 2 years without a main series pokemon release, unless gen 7 is more ready than we'd assume, and the first main series games to not get rereleases or sequels based on the same engine, (Yellow, crystal, emerald, platinum, black and white 2, etc)

I don't think anyone would deny that Z was planned at some point.

 

[Neoxon]

It seems there is some confusion/misinformation about what Trevelyan9999's report said. Some of it was a report, some of it was conclusions he made based on his info. The reported info was as follows:

1) Zelda NX is planned to be a launch window game for 2016.
2) Wii U has one more unannounced game, as well as some kind of Minecraft Nintendo project.

From that info, he and/or his source concluded the following. Note that this means it is not confirmed info but rather educated guesses:

1) Due to the Wii U's lacking lineup and Zelda NX (presumably a port of Zelda Wii U), it is a home console NX that is launching in 2016.

Holiday Season 2016 is mentioned in the report, but it is not clear whether this is confirmed by the source or an educated guess.

I am not sure what region this applies to, but it must be either North America or Europe because he mentions #FE coming this year. My assumption is that this is all written with North America in mind.

Note that the form factor of the system was not confirmed by a source. What was confirmed is that Zelda NX is planned to arrive in the launch window of NX in 2016.

Source: http://www.nintengen.com/2016/02/nintendo-nx-zelda-nx-confirmed-2016.html?m=1

So there's still a chance that WSJ could be right & that the NX Handheld is coming first. Not that I mind either way, I'm just curious about the whole thing.

 

[Trevelyan9999]

It seems there is some confusion/misinformation about what Trevelyan9999's report said. Some of it was a report, some of it was conclusions he made based on his info. The reported info was as follows:

1) Zelda NX is planned to be a launch window game for 2016.
2) Wii U has one more unannounced game, as well as some kind of Minecraft Nintendo project.

From that info, he and/or his source concluded the following. Note that this means it is not confirmed info but rather educated guesses:

1) Due to the Wii U's lacking lineup and Zelda NX (presumably a port of Zelda Wii U), it is a home console NX that is launching in 2016.

Holiday Season 2016 is mentioned in the report, but it is not clear whether this is confirmed by the source or an educated guess.

I am not sure what region this applies to, but it must be either North America or Europe because he mentions #FE coming this year. My assumption is that this is all written with North America in mind.

Note that the form factor of the system was not confirmed by a source. What was confirmed is that Zelda NX is planned to arrive in the launch window of NX in 2016.

Source: http://www.nintengen.com/2016/02/nintendo-nx-zelda-nx-confirmed-2016.html?m=1

All North America releases.

I wasn't clear huh? My exact words were: "Nintendo NX is definitely launching in 2016 and Zelda NX will be a launch window release, so it could either launch on NX or release shortly after the release of the NX. Either way Nintendo is trying to release Zelda Wii U and Zelda NX at the same time period for the holiday season 2016"

*I have PM'd Bishoptl all the evidence he needs to know exactly who my source is. I await his response*

I want to give a very special thanks to my source, this individual has been so cooperative and helpful through this entire situation since last week. I wouldn't be surprised if there was still any doubts left that they would provide dental records to boot LOL.

All jokes aside, THANK YOU!!!!