Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
SHog, I Wasn't talking about the story...Im talking about how the trailer and the final game were very different.
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What went wrong with Halo 2?
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M1t7rAnd7r
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And there is all that other crap about Dr. Halsey and the other Spartans, where the hell were they?
I'm pretty sure that konami showed altered footage that showed you playing as snake against fortune in the latter part of the game. All they had to do was change which model they used while recording the footage. This is probably what he is reffering to.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
I dont care either way...Im enjoying SP so far, and i didnt notice that the e3 level wasn't in the game till i read the article. I'm a little worried about the length of the game, but hey there is always multi. Ill try and finish this sucka just in time for HL 2, MP2, and Mgs3 
Ryu said:
Regardless, if there's anything in the games that contradicts the books, it's the games that should be taken as canon and not vice-versa. Halo began with the games, while the novels are merchandising tie-ins. Had the games been based on a series of novels, then the events as depicted in the books would take precedence over anything taking place in the games.
Do The Mario
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Halo 2 and MGS2 are the best games i have played this gen!
M1t7rAnd7r
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w/e, that X02 trailer and the E3 2k3 dem's f*ing rocked, it looked like they spent so much time on that. It had tons of detail. What a waste
You know what that big rant reminds me off ? "Wah Wah, how come MGS2 wasn't just 3 hours of snake on the tanker wah wah, kojima made us think the game had snake and it didn't so eat my balls etc."
Except that's not really it at all , Sure the game is shorter then the first halo but every level in the sequel is actually a different stage wheras there were only 4 levels in the first game that you play through 2 or even 3 times, and only 2 of those stages were any good.
Watch the making of halo 2 dvd and you'll find out that the E3 2003 demo was pretty much a playable proof of concept , it showed off all the new features in the game.
About the only thing I'll give this guy is that the original trailer of cheif free falling out of the ship gave you the impression that he'd somehow just made it back from the first halo just in time to stop the covenent from destroying earth. Bungie admits with 11 months to shipping the product that they kind of had a brain fart and redid alot of stuff in the game story and gameplay wise. It's their product let them do with it what they will.
The way the ending was presented wasn't a huge letdown for me, maybe the scope of what was supposed to happen next was too large to do on Xbox 1 ? Who knows, all I know is that now I'll play alot of multiplayer.
Except that's not really it at all , Sure the game is shorter then the first halo but every level in the sequel is actually a different stage wheras there were only 4 levels in the first game that you play through 2 or even 3 times, and only 2 of those stages were any good.
Watch the making of halo 2 dvd and you'll find out that the E3 2003 demo was pretty much a playable proof of concept , it showed off all the new features in the game.
About the only thing I'll give this guy is that the original trailer of cheif free falling out of the ship gave you the impression that he'd somehow just made it back from the first halo just in time to stop the covenent from destroying earth. Bungie admits with 11 months to shipping the product that they kind of had a brain fart and redid alot of stuff in the game story and gameplay wise. It's their product let them do with it what they will.
The way the ending was presented wasn't a huge letdown for me, maybe the scope of what was supposed to happen next was too large to do on Xbox 1 ? Who knows, all I know is that now I'll play alot of multiplayer.
Mombassa is a hell of a lot more detailed than the e3 demo'd earth city, it got scrapped because it was lifeless (its on the special edition dvd) not denying they cut things after e3, but that level was never would have been in the game.
The crappy stuff that people moan about not being in, like the ATV and the extra warthogs and the melee combos, they arent in becuase they sucked, its easy to cram new stuff into a sequel, but whats the point if it just doesnt meet the standard of the rest of the game?
I totally get the calls for an end to the story, who wouldnt want one after that ending? But other than that it certainly seems to me that most if not all the cuts & changes made were made to keep the gameplay tight.
The crappy stuff that people moan about not being in, like the ATV and the extra warthogs and the melee combos, they arent in becuase they sucked, its easy to cram new stuff into a sequel, but whats the point if it just doesnt meet the standard of the rest of the game?
I totally get the calls for an end to the story, who wouldnt want one after that ending? But other than that it certainly seems to me that most if not all the cuts & changes made were made to keep the gameplay tight.
M1t7rAnd7r
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Ghost said:
M1t7rAnd7r
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The effects in the E3 Demo had a more "saving the earth" theme. i.e.: lightning, animations, music... You could tell they had spent alot of time on that level to make it fun while they could've been spending more time on an actual level in the game.
TheGreenGiant
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M1t7rAnd7r said:
not to mention that that was the level that got the hype train going. In the future all gaming houses should stage game demos that are specially made to be all the more intense/fun.. and then exclude these from the game.
M1t7rAnd7r's aboujt waste of resources is something I agree with. I find myself thinking that about MP2E's multi mode whenever I hear it get panned? Any dev time to do multi could have been spent doing 1p.
M1t7rAnd7r
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which one did you like better ghost?
Mr. Lemming
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I'm glad I got to play the e3 demo to know if it is fun or not!
Shogmaster
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Doc Holliday said:
Ah. Oops! I didn't follow MGS 2 at all.
TheGreenGiant said:
Obviously they intended it to be in the game when they made it (the level at least, most of the content would have been impractical (and dull if you'd already seen the demo)) THEY CHANGED IT AFTER E3 BECAUSE IT WAS SHITE!
Your idea of being locked into releasing whatever you show at a game conference is a much better idea than actually improving games. :rolleyes
Edit: To answer a question, yes there is a new timer on ilovebees.com, but its counting down to the year 2552 (the year in which the game is set)
Sorry i see this thread is necessary for getting out some random hate, i'll let you all get on with it.
Shogmaster
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jett said:That sounds insanely stupid. How could they not know that the Devkit is more powerful than a regular Xbox? Jeez, Bungie.
Well it's not. It's just got twice the memory. Just as stupid, yes, but it's not because of "power" per se.
BTW, that confirms my earlier suspicion that the reason for the pop in of the textures is due to lack of of memory.
Escape Goat
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I'm suprised he even bothered to complain about their being power lines in a fictional Earth's future.
M1t7rAnd7r
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Ghost said:
the e3 demo was way fucking better than the actual level
M1t7rAnd7r
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Shogmaster said:
the pop in textures are a result of the levels not being loaded
Shogmaster
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M1t7rAnd7r said:
I think it's streaming in textures as needed because there isn't enough RAM to hold all the normal maps and textures at the same time.
M1t7rAnd7r
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wathcing the e3 demo was better than actually playing the level
M1t7rAnd7r
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Shogmaster said:
its answered here: http://www.bungie.net/News/TopStory.aspx?story=weeklywhats111204
Shogmaster
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M1t7rAnd7r said:
Bungie FAQ said:
Isn't that pretty much what I said?
M1t7rAnd7r
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GashPrex said:
Absolutely, Halo 2 is an AWESOME game. What makes me wonder is why they spent so much time on e3 when they could have been doing something else.
M1t7rAnd7r
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The "Demo" was cooler than the level.
M1t7rAnd7r said:
I think they were hoping that the E3 demo would turn out to be another 'Silent Cartographer' (='killer level that was designed to demo the game, but is so good that finds its way into the commercial release and becomes a fan fave'), but what they actually ended up with turned out to be 'just a demo' after all--it looked good and could be used to 'sell' the game to an audience, but it didn't have legs, so to speak.
Apharmd Battler
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ManaByte said:
Agreed. There was an article inlast months XBN that discussed the making of Halo1 and in it is discussed how Silent Cartogrpher was the demo level they used to demo Halo many moons ago. It so happens that the level wasn't even supposed to be in the final game but time ran shourt and they need to do something so the decision was made to put the demo level into the game to make ship date and have more content. I'm paraphasing but I'm sure someone in this forum has read it and can point a link to an actual copy of this article.
I kinda see where this guy is coming from, but I think he took to a rabid extreme level of cluttered frustration. It's obvious from watching the bonus DVD that Bungie has spent a lot of time spinning their wheels and for some reason the development of this game was rushed to make the Nov 9th date. I myself was a little upset that the overall project seemed to be managed by te seat of its pants (or at least it appeared that way to me). maybe it was done so not to stifle creativity, maybe the project manager didn't have a clue. Keep in mind the Bungie was this little developer that produced undergrounf hits like Myth and Marathon, and utter cack like Oni. Halo is what put them in the the gaming limelight so to speak and maybe it was too much, too fast. I liken it to the Wachowski brothers. They did some good stuff like Bound and Assasins, but the Matrix became this huge cultural phenomenon and put them on the Hollywood "a" list. At least Halo 2 didn't suck as bad 'Reloaded' and 'Revolutions' <I kid, I kid>.
But we've seen this alot lately in the industry, developers have all these wonderful ideas and spend a great deal of time refining ideas and working on concepts. <cough> Fable <cough>. Then the final product is not what we've read about for over a great span of time and everybody get all excited. Then when developers do time something massive and innovative the project is sometime too big or dynamic to be ble to test and debug every single aspect <cough> Morrowind <cough>.
Bungie had a lot of ideas but push came to shove and they had to ship something. And what they did ship was a VERY good game with an absolutely fantasitc overall package (i.e. Online play, Bungie.net integration). There were thing that I'm miffed that weren't in there (i.e. online and LAN co-op), but nothing that would make me be totally dissatisfied with the purchase. I think more fovus was demanded, but I don't work for bungie, and I at least feel confident enough to know that they wouldn't have shipped something awful to fans if they didn't feel that it was up to thier expectations.
On a side note, I think M$ must really be turning the screws on it's developers. It seems that M$ gave Big Blue and Bungie friendly ultimatums. And look at what hapen to True Fantasy Live Online and Psychonauts. M$ must be tighten their belt and telling some developers to put up or shut up. But what the heck do I know, this is all my own personal rampant speculation.........
Die Squirrel Die
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It does seem from the LE DVD that the project wasn't exactly the best managed in the history of the world. It seemed that it took them a long time to get into their sights that they actually had a game to make at the end of the day.
Some of this makes sense. I remember Bungie stating that Halo 2 would be the LAST Halo and that this would conclude the series. I'm sure Microsoft seeing how big the game was going to be, and that they would be stupid to cut it off after only 2 games, made Bungie change the game somewhat. All this is very understandable though, and I for one am glad they did it, if it insures that we'll get a Halo 3 on Xbox 2! Also who ever typed that is totally full of shit, in NO way is this game "crap", and the "earth" levels on the street are NOT boring! Oh well, people are going to bitch and complain about this game until the end of time. 1. because it's the sequel to Halo 2. because it had the biggest first day sales of all time and 3. because it's exclusive to Xbox.
Is anyone enjoying the return to the librarys? I've got my hands full as I'm facing off against them on the Heroic setting. Damn is it ever intense. I'm simply loving it. Its got that Doom style play play within it. Run and gun one minute, then cloaking for a few seconds to make if to another room and scout ahead to see what youre up against. Simply errie and plenty of fun.
Btw,those growls the Flood make give me the creeps,damn. The shrieking sounds are horrifying.
Btw,those growls the Flood make give me the creeps,damn. The shrieking sounds are horrifying.
M1t7rAnd7r
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Die Squirrel Die said:
i also got the impression they really hadn't accomplished anything in '02
Tellaerin said:
The parts of the e3 demo that looked like actual gameplay were good. The major part of the e3 demo for me was riding around in the back of an AI controlled warthog. In the e3 demo though they obviously weren't using the AI. The thing is, from my experience with it, the AI drivers are terrible. They could be worse, but their nothing like in the e3 video and they can do some pretty dumb things. I found it always much better to drive and let the AI soldier shoot.
Besides, if you watch the LE DVD they say somethings which suggest they totally reworked the story in the last year. They say in 2003 the game was going to be '9 levels' and it ended in a totally different way.
What's wrong with Halo 2? In my opinion, not a damn thing. Would I have liked the single player campaign to be longer? Sure, but what's there is damn good, and it's obvious Bungie went for quality over quantity and I applaud them for it. Besides, the multiplayer is going to be keeping alot of people busy for a L-O-N-G time.
People will find a reason to complain about anything - it's what make web forums go 'round. The simple fact of the matter is that this game is getting universally great reviews for a reason. Alright, now to try this sucker on Legendary...
People will find a reason to complain about anything - it's what make web forums go 'round. The simple fact of the matter is that this game is getting universally great reviews for a reason. Alright, now to try this sucker on Legendary...