When is white history month?

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MIMIC said:
This is a complete misuse of the word (and concept) of "segregation".

Actually, it's a reminder that Black History wasn't considered part of regular American History. I think people are trying to forget this (and pretend that racism never existed).
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So reminding people of how racist the history books used to be(or still is) isnt promoting segregation? Shouldnt changing the history books be a much better option?
To me BHM is the equivalent of saying 'And here comes the american hockey team, including that one black guy."

'Awareness' should only preceded by 'breast cancer' and other problems, not a race of people.
 
Loofy said:
So reminding people of how racist the history books used to be(or still is) isnt promoting segregation? Shouldnt changing the history books be a much better option?
To me BHM is the equivalent of saying 'And here comes the american hockey team, including that one black guy."

'Awareness' should only preceded by 'breast cancer' and other problems, not a race of people.
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Really?

I don't want to be the guy to open up the whole "gay" thing in a black thread, but how about awareness of the troubles of the LGBT community?
 
The Jason said:
I guess you dont see the difference. Racial segregation was a way to continue to treat black people as INFERIOR to white people, while the 'segregation of history that is BHM' is a way to show that black people are not inferior, and their history is just as rich as the European-american history that we all learn.
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I'm just stating that it is technically segregation, but not for dubious means; although because it's segregation by nature, some people are going to be upset regardless.
 
Good Job Bob said:
Segregation doesn't just refer to the act of physicially separating the races.
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Segregation also isn't a synonym for "separate", either. Connotations such as "less than equal", "not important" and "inferior" go hand-in-hand with segregation. You cannot honestly say that the separation of blacks from whites and using a month to highlight Black History are the same thing.

You don't LAUD what you segregate.

Loofy said:
So reminding people of how racist the history books used to be(or still is) isnt promoting segregation? Shouldnt changing the history books be a much better option?
To me BHM is the equivalent of saying 'And here comes the american hockey team, including that one black guy."
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In your analogy, the black guy was never ignored and always was considered part of the team.

'Awareness' should only preceded by 'breast cancer' and other problems, not a race of people.
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Ummmm, no.
 
MIMIC said:
How does Black History cause racism?
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Because it causes ones to view one part of history and the people in that part of history as being more or less important/better depending on whether or not they themselves match with the same label.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Because it causes ones to view one part of history and the people in that part of history as being more or less important depending on whether or not they themselves match with the same label.
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Ha ha, as someone who doesn't match with that label, I vehemently disagree.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Because it causes ones to view one part of history and the people in that part of history as being more or less important depending on whether or not they themselves match with the same label.
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How can this even happen? Black History isn't even about being more or less important; it's about raising awareness about a forgotten part of history, not a more important (or less important) part of it.

Seems to me like people are just trying to create controversy where none exists.
 
MIMIC said:
How can this even happen? Black History isn't even about being more or less important; it's about raising awareness about a forgotten part of history, not a more important (or less important) part of it.

Seems to me like people are just trying to create controversy where none exists.
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No controversy exists around BHM? Really? Look at what thread you're in is about, for starters.
 
MIMIC said:
How can this even happen? Black History isn't even about being more or less important; it's about raising awareness about a forgotten part of history, not a more important (or less important) part of it.

Seems to me like people are just trying to create controversy where none exists.
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What Im saying is that you only have 'awareness' for things that will never, ever be pushed in schools. Just a recent example for me is that whole armenian genocide awareness campaign. Or when you have that one disease that suddenly gets famous when a celebrity's kid gets it.
Black history doesnt have to be in that position. And to me what youre saying is that you WANT black history to never aspire to regular american history. Apparently its important to remind people that since they were segregated before, then the two histories should be separate today and for the foreseeable future.
 
Loofy said:
What Im saying is that you only have 'awareness' for things that will never, ever be pushed in schools. Just a recent example for me is that whole that armenian genocide awareness campaign. Or when you have that one disease that suddenly gets famous when a celebrity's kid gets it.
Black history doesnt have to be in that position. And to me what youre saying is that you WANT black history to never aspire to regular american history. Apparently its important to remind people that since they were segregated before, then the two histories should be separate today.
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How did you come to the conclusion of the bolded?
 
MIMIC said:
How can this even happen? Black History isn't even about being more or less important; it's about raising awareness about a forgotten part of history, not a more important (or less important) part of it.
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It doesn't have those intentions but it's causing people to view black history in a more important or less important way due to the label "Black history" causing differentiation .

And it does happen. You would be surprised at the amount of tension that goes on in various high schools during Black history month and/or Black History programs.


Seems to me like people are just trying to create controversy where none exists.
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lol Really?

Just look on social media sites if you want to see the controversy. Also, many people feel the same way as people voicing out their opinions on those sites but they aren't going to admit to it over the web.
 
Devolution said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse at this point? It's not separate history, it's highlighting history that's been overlooked for decades, even centuries.
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By highlighting a certain portion of history for one month and overlooking it for the rest you are in effect separating it.
 
Devolution said:
Are you being deliberately obtuse at this point? It's not separate history, it's highlighting history that's been overlooked for decades, even centuries.
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Doesn't one highlight something to cause it to be separated in some way/shape/form from what's not highlighted?
 
Bgamer90 said:
It doesn't have those intentions but it's causing people to view black history in a more important or less important way due to the label "Black history" causing differentiation .

And it does happen. You would be surprised at the amount of tension that goes on in various high schools during Black history month and/or Black History programs.




lol Really?

Just look on social media sites if you want to see the controversy. Also, many people feel the same way as people voicing out their opinions on those sites but they aren't going to admit to it over the web.
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Good Job Bob said:
No controversy exists around BHM? Really? Look at what thread you're in is about, for starters.
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OK, there's controversy. It's motivated by ignorance. "Why do we have Black History Month?" Because it's usually appropriate to dedicate observance of those we used to pretend didn't exist (especially if they were mistreated)? Black History Month isn't the first type of observance or awareness, and it won't be the last.

Loofy said:
What Im saying is that you only have 'awareness' for things that will never, ever be pushed in schools. Just a recent example for me is that whole armenian genocide awareness campaign. Or when you have that one disease that suddenly gets famous when a celebrity's kid gets it.
Black history doesnt have to be in that position. And to me what youre saying is that you WANT black history to never aspire to regular american history. Apparently its important to remind people that since they were segregated before, then the two histories should be separate today and for the foreseeable future.
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It's awareness, not separation in the way you're using it.
 
Good Job Bob said:
By highlighting a certain portion of history for one month and overlooking it for the rest you are in effect separating it.
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These months have helped put more minority related content into American History classes but we're still not there yet, what do you suggest we do instead hmm?


Bgamer90 said:
Doesn't one highlight something to cause it to be separated in some way/shape/form from what's not highlighted?
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Now you guys are just playing semantics games. Until American History is more than just the achievements of mostly white men and the included minorities go beyond just the social/civil rights leaders of their days these months should stay the fuck put.
 
Good Job Bob said:
By highlighting a certain portion of history for one month and overlooking it for the rest you are in effect separating it.
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Your logic is all kinds of fucked up right there....

Highlighting overlooked issues isn't the same thing as reinforcing separation or segregation. I'm not the biggest fan of BHM, but the reasons for that have nothing to do with... whatever you're trying to work with right now.
Bgamer90 said:
Doesn't one highlight something to cause it to be separated in some way/shape/form from what's not highlighted?
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Yes, but that has nothing to do with the intent to separate or segregate. Its not a one way or the other type deal.
 
i mean i can kind of see why specifying a certain month in an attempt to educate people on a subject would reinforce stupid people's prejudices.. it perpetuates their idea of the other.
 
Good Job Bob said:
How do we know when we're there?
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When you can ask any random person about the achievements of blacks and women in history that's beyond the abolition of slavery, the right to vote, civil rights and women's lib. When the achievements of women and blacks in scientific and medical fields are common knowledge rather than something you can only learn in a minority specific college course. Do you think we are there yet?
 
Devolution said:
When you can ask any random person about the achievements of blacks and women in history that's beyond the abolition of slavery, the right to vote, civil rights and women's lib. When the achievements of women and blacks in scientific and medical fields are common knowledge rather than something you can only learn in a minority specific college course. Do you think we are there yet?
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You can barely ask any random person the stuff that's currently taught in school. I don't think that's a good metric for progress.
 
Good Job Bob said:
You can barely ask any random person the stuff that's currently taught in school. I don't think that's a good metric for progress.
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Thanks for missing the point. Your naivete in these matters is astounding. The months would become less and less necessary as general American history becomes more inclusive, I thought this was fucking common sense.
 
Bgamer90 said:
I never said that the intentions were to cause separation, however it's still causing it.
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It does have that effect to a degree, but the reason behind such backlash should be noted and discussed more than the fact that BHM exists.
 
Devolution said:
Thanks for missing the point. Your naivete in these matters is astounding. The months would become less and less necessary as general American history becomes more inclusive, I thought this was fucking common sense.
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How do we judge when American history has become more inclusive?
 
Devolution said:
When you can ask any random person about the achievements of blacks and women in history that's beyond the abolition of slavery, the right to vote, civil rights and women's lib. When the achievements of women and blacks in scientific and medical fields are common knowledge rather than something you can only learn in a minority specific college course. Do you think we are there yet?
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We aren't even there yet when it comes to people who are white.

Some people will never learn specifics since some people just refuse to go in depth regardless of whether or not the specifics involve a certain race/type of people.

Also, some people just simply will never learn it period. Can't really say that it's their fault. No one can know everything.
 
Good Job Bob said:
How do we judge when American history has become more inclusive?
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I'll tell you it's not there as of now.


Bgamer90 said:
We aren't even there yet when it comes to people who are white.

Some people will never learn specifics since some people just refuse to go in depth regardless of whether or not the specifics involve a certain race/type of people.
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That's a great reason to exclude the achievements of minorities.


Also, some people just simply will never learn it. Can't really say that it's their fault.
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People won't learn it anyway so why teach it is the dumbest fucking thing I've read in here and both you and Bob have made this argument.
 
GJB, I'm not even sure you know what you're arguing sometimes.
Devolution said:
People won't learn it anyway so why teach it is the dumbest fucking thing I've read in here and both you and Bob have made this argument.
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this.
 
This is still going on?

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Devolution said:
That's a great reason to exclude the achievements of minorities.
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I never said that as a reason to exclude the achievements of minorities.

I said that as a reply to you talking about the image you have of being able to ask any random person about the achievements of minorities and for them to give you a solid amount of info. That isn't realistic. There are people now who don't know things about the history that's actually taught today in many schools.


Devolution said:
People won't learn it anyway so why teach it is the dumbest fucking thing I've read in here and both you and Bob have made this argument.
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lol where did I say that?

I never said anything like that.

What I'm saying is that you will never get to the point in which any random person will know a solid amount of info about the achievements of blacks (or any other race/group) in history. I'm not saying that as a form of saying "So why teach it?", I'm just saying that it's impossible for everyone to know a solid amount of info in various historical categories.


How is me saying that ''dumb"? I mean... I feel that it's pretty easy to understand.
 
Good Job Bob said:
By highlighting a certain portion of history for one month and overlooking it for the rest you are in effect separating it.
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It wasn't meant to be separate to begin with. Black History Month came as a consequence of it being overlooked throughout the year. It's not separating anything, it's emphasizing on it for a month.
 
Bgamer90 said:
I never said that as a reason to exclude the achievements of minorities.

I said that as a reply to you talking about the image you have of being able to ask any random person about the achievements of minorities and for them to get you a solid amount of info. That isn't realistic. There are people now who don't know things about the history that's actually taught today in many schools.




lol no, I never said that. You are taking what I said completely out of context.

What I'm saying is that you will never get to the point in which any random person will know a solid amount of info about the achievements of blacks in history. I'm not saying that as a form of saying "So why teach it?", I'm just saying that it's impossible for everyone to know a solid amount of info involving past history regardless of how it's categorized by race/gender.


So how is me saying that ''dumb"? I mean... I feel that it's pretty easy to understand.
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Of course some random schmuck who sucks at history isn't going to know history very well, just what the fuck is your point exactly. You and Bob, missing the god damn point to make some dumbass assertions about how most people don't recall history. Until these subjects are actually breached in more classrooms so that students can learn more about scientific and academic achievements of people who aren't white and male, these months should continue. What the fuck else are we to do? How do you and bob suggest we actually raise awareness otherwise? I see plenty of complaining about the months or even stupid ass comparisons to segregation, what should we do instead? Keep the status quo? Hope that the curriculums will evolve on their own? Or do we keep these months going in order to remind people of the experiences and history of those who aren't in their outdated fucking textbooks?
 
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