When is white history month?

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MIMIC said:
Sounds as easy as going back in time and undoing racism. All these magical proposals aren't helping.
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Tell me about it. BHM is the symptom, not the cause of a system that set out to ignore the achievements and experiences of minorities in several fields. The most you'll hear about minorities is in their struggles for social equality as if that's the epitome of their existence and the entirety of who they are in history. It's a terrible and unfair portrayal.
 
Devolution said:
Of course some random schmuck who sucks at history isn't going to know history very well, just what the fuck is your point exactly. You and Bob, missing the god damn point to make some dumbass assertions about how most people don't recall history. Until these subjects are actually breached in more classrooms so that students can learn more about scientific and academic achievements of people who aren't white, these months should continue. What the fuck else are we to do? How do you and bob suggest we actually raise awareness otherwise? I see plenty of complaining about the months or even stupid ass comparisons to segregation, what should we do instead? Keep the status quo? Hope that the curriculums will evolve on their own? Or do we keep these months going in order to remind people of the experiences and history of those who aren't in their outdated fucking textbooks?
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I totally get your point, but using random people as the metric for the progression of minority inclusiveness in history is fucking laughable and you know it.
 
There should to be a African history month all over the world. For all the shit we done to them and still are doing in Africa. China and Europe are still shi**ing on them daily, but nobody cares.

And in addition:

I would promote a "we **ucked the indigenous people all over and never talked about it again" month in all of both Americas, Australia and New Zealand.

Reminds me of:
Australia Day
 
Devolution said:
Of course some random schmuck who sucks at history isn't going to know history very well, just what the fuck is your point exactly.
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My point was a reply to what you said. I was just saying that it's impossible to have any random person know about certain things/topics in history.

There's always more to learn. That's all that I'm saying.

You and Bob, missing the god damn point to make some dumbass assertions about how most people don't recall history.
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No, I simply just replied to your post and you interpreted what I said in the wrong way (though I guess you doing that by mistake was kind of understandable considering what was previously said in the discussion).

Until these subjects are actually breached in more classrooms so that students can learn more about scientific and academic achievements of people who aren't white and male, these months should continue. What the fuck else are we to do? How do you and bob suggest we actually raise awareness otherwise?
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Maybe by forcing schools, media, etc. to talk about important Blacks in history various times through out the year and making it a part of the overall curriculum so that Black history can be labelled as normal history?

How come me wanting things to be talked about all year in similar fashion to how "white" history is talked about all year instead of just it getting talked about for a short month wrong and/or me not wanting people to know about the achievements of Blacks?

I see plenty of complaining about the months or even stupid ass comparisons to segregation, what should we do instead? Keep the status quo? Hope that the curriculums will evolve on their own? Or do we keep these months going in order to remind people of the experiences and history of those who aren't in their outdated fucking textbooks?
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Read what I said above.
 
Devolution said:
And you're being deliberately dumb about this and focusing on the wrong thing.
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I'll actually concede to your point that BHM (and other awareness months) may be necessary for the further advancement of minority inclusiveness.

The reason I'm focusing on that particular part is because I think that's an interesting issue in and of itself.
 
Good Job Bob said:
I totally get your point, but using random people as the metric for the progression of minority inclusiveness in history is laughable and you know it.
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This was exactly the point I was trying to make.

I also said it as a separate fact to the main points that were being discussed in the thread. I didn't say that in terms of whether or not people should know about Black history (since I obviously feel that people should).
 
Bgamer90 said:
Maybe by forcing schools, media, etc. to talk about important Blacks in history various times through out the year and making it a part of the overall curriculum so that Black history can be labelled as normal history?
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You just described what Black History Month is, just spread out across more weeks.


How come me wanting things to be talked about all year in similar fashion to how "white" history is talked about all year instead of just it getting talked about for a short month wrong and/or me not wanting people to know about the achievements of Blacks?
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So your problem isn't that it's separated it's the time frame. You seem to be shifting the goal posts now.



Good Job Bob said:
I'll actually concede to your point that BHM (and other awareness months) may be necessary for the further advancement of minority inclusiveness.

The reason I'm focusing on that particular part is because I think that's an interesting issue in and of itself.
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You won't have a perfect metric but it's unfortunate the only people that can and will be named that are women/minorities in history doesn't go much deeper than those who were involved in social/civil/suffrage movements. Try to get people to name scientists, those who helped further medical advancements, even those who consider themselves well versed in history and generally smart people are dumbfounded.
 
MIMIC said:
Sounds as easy as going back in time and undoing racism. All these magical proposals aren't helping.
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I wasn't providing a detailed plan on how to eliminate racism. I was merely providing a high perspective wish.

Devolution said:
You just described what Black History Month is, just spread out across more weeks.
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Devo, you're missing his point. He's saying include it throughout, and not force a label on one month to learn about it.
 
Karl2177 said:
I wasn't providing a detailed plan on how to eliminate racism. I was merely providing a high perspective wish.


Devo, you're missing his point. He's saying include it throughout, and not force a label on one month to learn about it.
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No I'm not I've already addressed this argument tons of times. You don't magically change curriculums without outside pressure. That's the fucking point of these months. Why do I keep having to repeat this.
 
Karl2177 said:
Devo, you're missing his point. He's saying include it throughout, and not force a label on one month to learn about it.
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The stupidity of this argument is that it's not like the bolded was the status quo before big, bad BHM came about and pigeon-holed black history into one month. Of course, I'm not saying that BHM alone will get us to the bolded, but as an intermediate step, I have yet to see any better proposals in this thread.
 
Roger Danish said:
The stupidity of this argument is that it's not like the bolded was the status quo before big, bad BHM came about and pigeon-holed black history into one month. Of course, I'm not saying that BHM alone will get us to the bolded, but as an intermediate step, I have yet to see any better proposals in this thread.
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It wasn't until these months and the drive to focus on people who aren't part of the status quo that we saw curriculums changing to acknowledge their achievements in science and additions to the art world. They should continue really.
 
Devolution said:
You just described what Black History Month is, just spread out across more weeks.
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Yep, and that will make it fit into to overall history better. Giving it it's own month only encourages people to talk about Black history during that said month.


So your problem isn't that it's separated it's the time frame. You seem to be shifting the goal posts now.
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My problem was actually both. Both creates separation. The label makes it be viewed as being different from normal history and it being brought up by most during the month of Feb. further separates it from getting the same amount of discussion time as "normal history". There's enough Black history to spread around the entire year. Talking about it for just a month obviously causes things to get cut/omitted for time.

You won't have a perfect metric but it's unfortunate the only people that can and will be named that are women/minorities in history doesn't go much deeper than those who were involved in social/civil/suffrage movements. Try to get people to name scientists, those who helped further medical advancements, even those who consider themselves well versed in history and generally smart people are dumbfounded.
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And this is part of the reason as to why I don't like there being a designated month for it.

If we open up the month of Feb. and have Black history be talked about throughout the whole year, I think that it would be easier for people to picture how Whites interacted with Blacks and vice versa since the only way to group them together (well at least that I could think of) would be to talk about how they were during the same time periods.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Yep, and that will make it fit into to overall history better. Giving it it's own month only encourages people to talk about Black history during that said month.




My problem was actually both. Both creates separation. The label makes it be viewed as different from normal history and it being brought up by most during the month a Feb. further separates it from getting the same amount of discussion time as "normal history". There's enough Black history to spread around the entire year. Talking about for just a month obviously causes things to get cut for time.





And this is part of the reason as to why I don't like their being a designated month for it.

If we open up the month of Feb. and have Black history be talked about throughout the whole year, it will be easier for people to picture how Whites interacted with Blacks and vice versa during the same time periods in history.
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Unfortunately it takes a lot to get a curriculum changed, especially public k-12 ones. Until they're opened up to also talking about minorities beyond just their subjugation in early american history and throughout, we're fucked. I don't see getting rid of BHM as helping in that effort.
 
Devolution said:
No I'm not I've already addressed this argument tons of times. You don't magically change curriculums without outside pressure. That's the fucking point of these months. Why do I keep having to repeat this.
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Roger Danish said:
The stupidity of this argument is that it's not like the bolded was the status quo before big, bad BHM came about and pigeon-holed black history into one month. Of course, I'm not saying that BHM alone will get us to the bolded, but as an intermediate step, I have yet to see any better proposals in this thread.
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This is just a general question for anyone: Throughout any of your education, was there ever minority history taught in times other than the dedicated months or weeks for them?

In my education up until high school, we covered many different viewpoints of history, with the only major one I don't think we covered being women's rights. We went over it, but it was pretty well accepted that men and women are equally capable of anything. There never really was a black history month, because every month was black, white, hispanic, asian, native american human history month.
 
Karl2177 said:
This is just a general question for anyone: Throughout any of your education, was there ever minority history taught in times other than the dedicated months or weeks for them?

In my education up until high school, we covered many different viewpoints of history, with the only major one I don't think we covered being women's rights. We went over it, but it was pretty well accepted that men and women are equally capable of anything. There never really was a black history month, because every month was black, white, hispanic, asian, native american human history month.
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Yeah that's great and all but the reality is that minorities are still left out of the history books and many curriculums. What if the months went away, what would happen then?
 
^^ what amazes me is all those assholes claim they love Amurka, yet they worship the anti-American confederacy. Fools!

From grade K-12 any mention of black people in my textbooks were as follows: slavery --> Rosa Parks -->Dr. King, the end. Did not learn anything about African history until my World History class in 9th grade. Other than that, I had to go out of my way in college to actually learn about Black accomplishments.

Even if some of those folks on that website may be racist ass hats, I hope one day they will look back on their stupidity and stop whining. I'm not a big fan of President Obama but one thing I will always appreciate is his election made white victimhood vocal in public, brining me many many lulz.
 
Atramental said:
I hate this state too.

I think we should have a "I hate South Carolina" day.
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Hi5!

Going back to Cali in a year thank god. I asked why there was a Confederate day and I swear this was the exact words told to me. "We gave you guys MLK day so we had to have something too..."

I have not had a true conversation with that coworker since.
 
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DY_nasty said:
This is what happens when you look way too hard into something like a satirical comic.
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So because it's a comic, or satirical, it is immune to any sort of criticism regarding its accuracy or the merits of the argument it attempts to make? I mean, it's obviously not going to encapsulate the whole debate, or even one small part of it with any degree of accuracy. A straw-man argument or hasty generalizations don't become valid because its got cute drawings accompanying it.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
So because it's a comic, or satirical, it is immune to any sort of criticism regarding its accuracy or the merits of the argument it attempts to make?
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Because that's what he said.

Although I thought he said something along the lines of 'don't take it too seriously, it's a comic.'
 
crimzonflame said:
We have Black History Month in Canada too.
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Canada has way more asians than blacks, and the natives were treated the worst throughout history, so it doesn't really make sense why we have black history month. Seems unnecessary, or at least targeted at the wrong minority.
 
Black people in America were too busy being oppressed so they don't have as much history to talk about right??
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
So because it's a comic, or satirical, it is immune to any sort of criticism regarding its accuracy or the merits of the argument it attempts to make? I mean, it's obviously not going to encapsulate the whole debate, or even one small part of it with any degree of accuracy. A straw-man argument or hasty generalizations don't become valid because its got cute drawings accompanying it.
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It is succinct enough. It obviously isn't meant as a direct interactions of specific individuals or a group of individuals, but a very simple commentary of the relations as a whole over time.

There was a point in time when alot of whites used blacks to build this country up while keeping them under thumb. Then there came a point in time when we supposedly got past all the "race" related issues (civil rights? Black President?). Now we are in the times of people wondering why things like AA or BHM is needed, Some going as far as calling it revers racism YET to this day there are proven studies that blacks will get disparaged more than whites in things like searching for a job and the history books still don't list inventions or achievements by blacks as important events in American history.

It is a simple comic that encapsulate the relations over time.

If people seriously wanted to ask why BHM is needed or AA, then research history and find the cause. Then seriously look at if those causes have been remedied. Only then does it brings this discourse back to an even field where everyone should be able to see eye to eye.
 
Dram said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commemorative_months

Here's a list

February
Black History Month

March
Women's History Month
Irish-American Heritage Month
Greek-American Heritage Month

April
Arab-American Heritage Month
Tartan (Scottish-American) Heritage Month

May
South Asian Heritage Month
Haitian Heritage Month
Asian Pacific American Heritage Month
Jewish American Heritage Month

June
Caribbean American Heritage Month
Gay/Lesbian Pride Month

July
French-American Heritage Month

September
National Hispanic Heritage Month (September 15 to October 15)
German-American Heritage Month (September 15-October 15)

October
Black History Month (UK)
Filipino American History Month
LGBT History Month
Italian-American Heritage Month

November
National American Indian & Alaska Native Heritage Month
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No Polish Heritage Month? Wtf!
 
staticneuron said:
If people seriously wanted to ask why BHM is needed or AA, then research history and find the cause. Then seriously look at if those causes have been remedied. Only then does it brings this discourse back to an even field where everyone should be able to see eye to eye.
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This should have been the first response.
 
staticneuron said:
It is succinct enough. It obviously isn't meant as a direct interactions of specific individuals or a group of individuals, but a very simple commentary of the relations as a whole over time.

There was a point in time when alot of whites used blacks to build this country up while keeping them under thumb. Then there came a point in time when we supposedly got past all the "race" related issues (civil rights? Black President?). Now we are in the times of people wondering why things like AA or BHM is needed, Some going as far as calling it revers racism YET to this day there are proven studies that blacks will get disparaged more than whites in things like searching for a job and the history books still don't list inventions or achievements by blacks as important events in American history.

It is a simple comic that encapsulate the relations over time.

If people seriously wanted to ask why BHM is needed or AA, then research history and find the cause. Then seriously look at if those causes have been remedied. Only then does it brings this discourse back to an even field where everyone should be able to see eye to eye.
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This muthafuckin guy (gal?). All the rest of you bozos need to STFU and listen. Christ.
 
I think a better question is why does black history get its own month, and us jews have to share with the asians?! Anti-Semitism!!

i had no idea there was a jewish heritage month......does that make me a bad jew?
 
Karl2177 said:
This is just a general question for anyone: Throughout any of your education, was there ever minority history taught in times other than the dedicated months or weeks for them?

In my education up until high school, we covered many different viewpoints of history, with the only major one I don't think we covered being women's rights. We went over it, but it was pretty well accepted that men and women are equally capable of anything. There never really was a black history month, because every month was black, white, hispanic, asian, native american human history month.
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I had a crazy old coot of a socialist teacher prescribe us A People's History of the United States, which devoted extensive time to race and class relations in America. He was an English teacher, though. Good read, even though his account of historical causality was sometimes lacking.
 
Black History = learning how blacks were slaves, were eventually freed, were oppressed under Jim Crow laws, the laws were eventually better, and how we discovered peanut butter, and even that is a subject people debate.
 
Anyone ever notice how in Resident Evil 5, you never fight any WHITE African Zombies?

Food for thought.
 
From what I remember in high school, our history classes in the USA focused on its History and some of the history from other countries. Nothing at all about black history , other then being slaves in the past. Once Feb hits, they focus on important black people in history you never knew about.

Each country studies its own history, Asian month is every month in asian. Euro month is every month in Europe, ect ect ect. So why do black people have a month? Because as a kid, most of us never knew we had a history worth reading about.
 
mac said:
Why don't white people have their own Tyler Perry movies?
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There doesn't need to be a "Tyler Perry" for white people. There already exists a wide variety of drama and comedy that pokes fun at, satirizes, and entertains "whites".

Tyler Perry does the same, but his target audience is a smaller segment of the 13%~ of African Americans who enjoy his work, which takes certain stereotypes about African Americans and takes them to an extreme.

I think wildly successful movies like The Hangover, or the Simpsons, or Family Guy, all caricature/satirize different aspects of American culture. Being that all Americans share a common cultural histories and experiences, a black person could enjoy The Hangover etc.

In a nutshell, white media has been the dominant media since the birth of media in this country. There doesn't need to be a Tyler Perry for white culture. It's already being "Tyler Perry'ed" all around us!
 
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