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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/white-policeman-kills/1511320.html

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-phoenix-police-shooting-20141204-story.html

Tried searching, couldn't find anything. Sorry if it's old.

Full story, I didn't mean to obfuscate.

The Phoenix Police Department said Brisbon was sitting in a SUV outside a convenience store on Tuesday evening, and two witnesses told the officer the occupants of the vehicle were selling drugs.

With police forces across the country under increased scrutiny over killing unarmed black men, Phoenix police said in a statement that its officer called for backup, and then saw Brisbon appear to remove something from the car's back seat.

It said the officer, a seven-year veteran of the department, gave him several commands to show his hands, before Brisbon "placed one or both hands in his waistband area" and fled.

The officer chased and caught up with him, it said, and during a struggle the policeman believed he felt the handle of a gun while holding Brisbon's hand in his pocket.

"The officer gave the suspect several commands to get on the ground but he refused to comply, yelling profanities at the officer," the police department said in a statement issued on Wednesday.

At that point, both men stumbled into an opened apartment unit, it said, adding that the officer was unable to keep a grip on the suspect's hand.

"Fearing Brisbon had a gun in his pocket the officer fired two rounds striking Brisbon in the torso," it said.


The police department said back-up officers arrived after the shooting, and while they and members of the fire department treated Brisbon, he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police said Brisbon was carrying oxycodone pills, and that a semi-automatic handgun and a jar of what is believed to be marijuana were found in the SUV. The 30-year-old officer was not injured, police added in the statement.

 

[jordan0386]

Even if he was going into his pants. You can't shoot someone for going into their pants.

 

[kmax]

Here we go again.

You'd think some cops would show some restraint after all the happenings this year alone.

 

[bigkrev]

Way to clip the story

The Phoenix Police Department said Brisbon was sitting in a SUV outside a convenience store on Tuesday evening, and two witnesses told the officer the occupants of the vehicle were selling drugs.

With police forces across the country under increased scrutiny over killing unarmed black men, Phoenix police said in a statement that its officer called for backup, and then saw Brisbon appear to remove something from the car's back seat.

It said the officer, a seven-year veteran of the department, gave him several commands to show his hands, before Brisbon "placed one or both hands in his waistband area" and fled.

The officer chased and caught up with him, it said, and during a struggle the policeman believed he felt the handle of a gun while holding Brisbon's hand in his pocket.

"The officer gave the suspect several commands to get on the ground but he refused to comply, yelling profanities at the officer," the police department said in a statement issued on Wednesday.

At that point, both men stumbled into an opened apartment unit, it said, adding that the officer was unable to keep a grip on the suspect's hand.

"Fearing Brisbon had a gun in his pocket the officer fired two rounds striking Brisbon in the torso," it said.


The police department said back-up officers arrived after the shooting, and while they and members of the fire department treated Brisbon, he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police said Brisbon was carrying oxycodone pills, and that a semi-automatic handgun and a jar of what is believed to be marijuana were found in the SUV. The 30-year-old officer was not injured, police added in the statement.

Guy was in possession of a gun when he fled the cops, kept making a move for something in his pocket, and was fighting/fleeing from the cop. This is a situation where the cop was absolutely justified in fearing for his life and using force.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I was surprised I didn't see a thread on this yesterday, but didn't want to make one because I was on mobile and didn't trust search.

 

[PetriP-TNT]

Shoot to kill was the only option there

- quote from an actual GAF thread yesterday

 

[Pai Pai Master]

well if he wasn't wearing pants, he wouldn't have been in a situation in which his life was at risk

fucking horrible this needs to stop...

edit: oh wait this is the same story that was reported here yesterday. yeah, not as clear-cut as the OP suggested.

 

[Makonero]

So is this happening more often now or just being reported more often? If the former, then this is terrible and I don't know why the sudden increase. But my gut tells me it's the latter, which is still terrible because people are dying, but at least it is getting noticed and is creating a narrative that is forcing people to come to terms with reality.

Terrible either way. Condolences to the family.

 

[dork]

Here we go again.

You'd think some cops would show some restraint after all the happenings this year alone.

They shouldnt have to. If someone reaches into there pocket during an arrest white/black/whatever its scary as hell to that police officer. Put yourself in his shoes, think of the stuff they see on a daily basis now respond to a call and see how nervous you feel.

Do we need to start posting videos of routine traffic stops where cops get shot at and its literally a speeding violation? You should put the full article in the OP, its not that long.

 

[Escape Goat]

With police forces across the country under increased scrutiny over killing unarmed black men, Phoenix police said in a statement that its officer called for backup, and then saw Brisbon appear to remove something from the car's back seat.

It said the officer, a seven-year veteran of the department, gave him several commands to show his hands, before Brisbon "placed one or both hands in his waistband area" and fled.

The officer chased and caught up with him, it said, and during a struggle the policeman believed he felt the handle of a gun while holding Brisbon's hand in his pocket.

"The officer gave the suspect several commands to get on the ground but he refused to comply, yelling profanities at the officer," the police department said in a statement issued on Wednesday.

At that point, both men stumbled into an opened apartment unit, it said, adding that the officer was unable to keep a grip on the suspect's hand.

"Fearing Brisbon had a gun in his pocket the officer fired two rounds striking Brisbon in the torso," it said.

If we are to take these initial reports at face value this doesn't seem quite like recent cases. The situation escalated and the cop was facing a clearly combative suspect. The only part that this may hinge on is did the cop see a gun. If he just felt like there was a gun then why shoot? Even if the suspect had a gun the cop could have fired before the suspect had a chance to.

 

[Etrian Oddity]

Way to clip the story



Guy was in possession of a gun when he fled the cops, kept making a move for something in his pocket, and was fighting/fleeing from the cop. This is a situation where the cop was absolutely justified in fearing for his life and using force.

Yeah, shame on the OP for manipulating the article like that.

 

[Valkerionseven]

So is this happening more often now or just being reported more often? If the former, then this is terrible and I don't know why the sudden increase. But my gut tells me it's the latter, which is still terrible because people are dying, but at least it is getting noticed and is creating a narrative that is forcing people to come to terms with reality.

Terrible either way. Condolences to the family.

being reported more/people taking notice more.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Ugh. So wait...he had a gun?

Well then...nevermind.

 

[shintoki]

Way to clip the story



Guy was in possession of a gun when he fled the cops, kept making a move for something in his pocket, and was fighting/fleeing from the cop. This is a situation where the cop was absolutely justified in fearing for his life and using force.

....Wow OP.

 

[King Cobra]

Way to clip the story

The Phoenix Police Department said Brisbon was sitting in a SUV outside a convenience store on Tuesday evening, and two witnesses told the officer the occupants of the vehicle were selling drugs.

With police forces across the country under increased scrutiny over killing unarmed black men, Phoenix police said in a statement that its officer called for backup, and then saw Brisbon appear to remove something from the car's back seat.

It said the officer, a seven-year veteran of the department, gave him several commands to show his hands, before Brisbon "placed one or both hands in his waistband area" and fled.

The officer chased and caught up with him, it said, and during a struggle the policeman believed he felt the handle of a gun while holding Brisbon's hand in his pocket.

"The officer gave the suspect several commands to get on the ground but he refused to comply, yelling profanities at the officer," the police department said in a statement issued on Wednesday.

At that point, both men stumbled into an opened apartment unit, it said, adding that the officer was unable to keep a grip on the suspect's hand.

"Fearing Brisbon had a gun in his pocket the officer fired two rounds striking Brisbon in the torso," it said.


The police department said back-up officers arrived after the shooting, and while they and members of the fire department treated Brisbon, he was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police said Brisbon was carrying oxycodone pills, and that a semi-automatic handgun and a jar of what is believed to be marijuana were found in the SUV. The 30-year-old officer was not injured, police added in the statement




Guy was in possession of a gun when he fled the cops, kept making a move for something in his pocket, and was fighting/fleeing from the cop. This is a situation where the cop was absolutely justified in fearing for his life and using force.

This should be in the OP, the police were absolutely in the right in using lethal force. I wouldn't have done anything different myself if I was in their shoes. Can't say I am suprised that you chose to start the thread without this info in it.

 

[Dali]

Cops are rabbid dogs in my eyes but this story isn't really hitting any sympathy for the victim notes like the Garner or Brown case.

 

[kmax]

They shouldnt have to. If someone reaches into there pocket during an arrest white/black/whatever its scary as hell to that police officer. Put yourself in his shoes, think of the stuff they see on a daily basis now respond to a call and see how nervous you feel.

Do we need to start posting videos of routine traffic stops where cops get shot at and its literally a speeding violation? You should put the full article in the OP, its not that long.

Just read the entire article. I agree.

OP didn't tell the entire story, but it seems to be corrected.

 

[Big Baybee]

Should cops be allowed to kill someone because they fear he MAY have a gun?

 

[Buzzman]

Just a question, how often does it happen that later evidence shows the police weren't telling the truth about a suspect?

 

[CountBlack]

#Every28Hours

 

[Trojita]

Way to clip the story



Guy was in possession of a gun when he fled the cops, kept making a move for something in his pocket, and was fighting/fleeing from the cop. This is a situation where the cop was absolutely justified in fearing for his life and using force.

Sounds more like the cop thought he had a gun on his person, but the only gun was yards away in the SUV.

Unless you somehow believe the guy that is now dead had object transportation abilities.

 

[Scoot2005]

SOooooo.... What about those tasers the police have. Did they take them away or something? Pepper spray maybe?As he ran away? I understand that the officer was going on a gut feeling but why is it that out of all the tools they are given they just resort to the gun? This is coming from someone who supports responsible firearm ownership. Like were there really no other options?

Edit - Or just conk the dude over the head with the baton?

 

[Makonero]

Should cops be allowed to kill someone because they fear he MAY have a gun?

If they don't act with force, they will likely end up dead. Still a loss of life, which is tragic.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

ffs

 

[Liberty4all]

I'm.confused. Why does OP title say unarmed when article says he had a gun ?

 

[King Cobra]

Should cops be allowed to kill someone because they fear he MAY have a gun?

I'm sure it's easy to tell police they should wait until they are fired upon in the comfort of your room but when life and death is just seconds away police should not be held back because the guy reaching for his pockets when told to put his hands in the air might be taking out a rose of peace.

 

[Big Baybee]

If they don't act with force, they will likely end up dead. Still a loss of life, which is tragic.

If they act with force, or a hunch, a guy only armed with pills on his person ends up dead. Cops should be held to a significantly higher standard than they are.

I'm sure it's easy to tell police they should wait until they are fired upon in the comfort of your room but when life and death is just seconds away police should not be held back because the guy reaching for his pockets when told to put his hands in the air might be taking out a rose of peace.

Shoot first, questions later?

 

[daw840]

Yeah...im not seeing outrage here.

 

[AbsolutBro]

I'm.confused. Why does OP title say unarmed when article says he had a gun ?

Given the title and the way the article was clipped, I'd say OP had no intention of presenting a fair picture of the events.

 

[Jenov]

Given the title and the way the article was clipped, I'd say OP had no intention of presenting a fair picture of the events.

^^^

 

[Flying Toaster]

I live in Phoenix. This story sucks, but to shed some light on the situation. Phoenix is an interesting place when it comes to Police. In recent years people have fought back, will shoot at, and do other hostile things towards police officers here. The cops in Phoenix are and have every right to be weary of stops.

The situation is ugly but looking at the entire article the police officer should not be compared to the other monsters such as the one in Ferguson.

 

[Big Baybee]

Guys, a gun was found in the suv, not on the dead guys person.

 

[vityaz]

SOooooo.... What about those tasers the police have. Did they take them away or something? Pepper spray maybe?As he ran away? I understand that the officer was going on a gut feeling but why is it that out of all the tools they are given they just resort to the gun? This is coming from someone who supports responsible firearm ownership. Like were there really no other options?

You don't taser or spray a guy you believe has a gun. And do all police officers carry tasers and/or pepper sprays? Not sure

 

[Simon Belmont]

I'm.confused. Why does OP title say unarmed when article says he had a gun ?

He didn't have a gun on his person.

 

[Crosseyes]

If they don't act with force, they will likely end up dead. Still a loss of life, which is tragic.

Black men don't act with force first they're still ending up dead. Maybe they should act first in fear of their own life.

 

[Makonero]

If they act with force, or a hunch, a guy only armed with pills on his person ends up dead. Cops should be held to a significantly higher standard than they are.

Shoot first, questions later?

They knew he had a gun, he refused to listen to their order to put his hands up, and then put his hands into his pants. It was a reasonable assumption, especially in the heat of the moment, that he was going for a gun.

I'm not saying we don't have problems with police in this country. I still think the loss of life in any situation is tragic. But I can understand why this decision was made at least, unlike the other recent situations.

 

[Horsemama1956]

Way to clip the story



Guy was in possession of a gun when he fled the cops, kept making a move for something in his pocket, and was fighting/fleeing from the cop. This is a situation where the cop was absolutely justified in fearing for his life and using force.

Try calling for backup. Not sure why he had to just make that arrest right then and there.

 

[zomaha]

Even if he was going into his pants. You can't shoot someone for going into their pants.

Yes, yes you can when you have given many orders to keep hands up/out of pants

 

[malyce]

Guys, a gun was found in the suv, not on the dead guys person.

.....

 

[Big Baybee]

They knew he had a gun, he refused to listen to their order to put his hands up, and then put his hands into his pants. It was a reasonable assumption, especially in the heat of the moment, that he was going for a gun.

I'm not saying we don't have problems with police in this country. I still think the loss of life in any situation is tragic. But I can understand why this decision was made at least, unlike the other recent situations.

You should not be able to fire upon a civilian until a weapon is confirmed. A weapon was not confirmed until his suv was searched, the cop thought he saw and felt. Gun in the guys pants. He was wrong.

 

[SlickShoes]

SOooooo.... What about those tasers the police have. Did they take them away or something? Pepper spray maybe?As he ran away? I understand that the officer was going on a gut feeling but why is it that out of all the tools they are given they just resort to the gun? This is coming from someone who supports responsible firearm ownership. Like were there really no other options?

Edit - Or just conk the dude over the head with the baton?

"Excuse me sir while I conk you on the head with this baton, thank you!"

I am sure it's that easy, I have friends that are cops here in the UK, they have batons and pepper spray but sometimes they don't get the chance to use them before they are attacked. Equally I don't understand the rampant gun use in the US so my opinion is probably invalid.

 

[KingGondo]

Guys, a gun was found in the suv, not on the dead guys person.

To be fair, he could have hypnotized them with his demonic dehumanizing stare then used his fast-twitch muscle fibers to get the gun in less than a second.

Can't take any chances.

 

[bigkrev]

Try calling for backup. Not sure why he had to just make that arrest right then and there.

As shown in the article, he did call for backup, and only approached the car when he saw him take something from the backseat

 

[TyrantGuardian]

At least this situation involved some sort of actual danger for the police officer, whether his decision was right or not. Lethal use of force is just so mind-boggling to me for begin with, but unlike the other cases this doesn't seem like straight up murder.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Yes, yes you can when you have given many orders to keep hands up/out of pants

This cannot be quoted enough.

The suspect/victim of this unfortunate incident was given instructions and he decided to escalate the situation verbally and then run.

 

[Scoot2005]

You don't taser or spray a guy you believe has a gun. And do all police officers carry tasers and/or pepper sprays? Not sure

Is the electrical current going to set off the rounds inside the gun or something? If the gun isn't present in the suspects hands how is it a danger?

I understand some of the more serious drugs can make someone more impervious to tactics such as this but why is the gun the first response.

Why don't they have fucking net launchers or something?

Edit - I'm just spitballing with the net launcher.

 

[King Cobra]

If they act with force, or a hunch, a guy only armed with pills on his person ends up dead. Cops should be held to a significantly higher standard than they are.

Shoot first, questions later?

As opposed to get killed and have your family know at least you didn't shoot first? When you have at least 100 police officers being killed every year they don't have the luxury that you have to read the article after everything happened.

Given the title and the way the article was clipped, I'd say OP had no intention of presenting a fair picture of the events.

I don't believe you, but he put all the other very important information in the title, he mentioned that the officer was white and the victim was black. It must have just slipped his mind.

 

[Simon Belmont]

As shown in the article, he did call for backup, and only approached the car when he saw him take something from the backseat

And we all know, there's literally nothing a black person would keep in their back seat that isn't a gun.

 

[Violence Jack]

I doubt this story is going to garner much sympathy or attention in comparison to the Brown, Garner, Walmart, and the 12 year-old child killings. But if the cop doesn't actually see a gun or any other type of weapon, then why shoot him?

 

[Stormy]

You should not be able to fire upon a civilian until a weapon is confirmed. A weapon was not confirmed until his suv was searched, the cop thought he saw and felt. Gun in the guys pants. He was wrong.

Unfortunately, if the gun is confirmed then it may already be too late. It is a catch-22 situation. I don't envy any police officer that has to make that call in a second or two. Still a sad situation either way.