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White male lead in the spec script Disney bought for the live action remake of Mulan

Who should play the lead character and true hero in Mulan's live action movie?


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Casimir

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They're remaking Highlander with Nic Cage?

No, it was another movie about a white male savior who had yellow fever, and saved the Asians from the evil Asian forces. For some unfathomable reason in movie featuring Nic Cage, Nic Cage didn't get the protagonist role, he was given short screen time as the wise mentor role while some bland white guy was the hero.

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Pau

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I don't understand what's so hard about using the script for the animated movie as a starting point. Isn't that what they are doing for the other live action films?
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The white lead idea is fucking awful. That's obvious.

What I don't buy is the author's criticism of casting a Chinese actress instead of an American of Asian descent.
Yeah that is really weird. "The idea of a white man in this traditional Chinese tale is ridiculous. But we must keep casting consistent with the original cultural appropriation if this tale and keep any Chinese actors out if this."
It would be like if Ridley Scott had defended Exodus by claiming he would have loved to cast black actors but he wanted to maintain the cultural heritage established by the ten commandments movie.
 
I don't understand what's so hard about using the script for the animated movie as a starting point. Isn't that what they are doing for the other live action films?

Animation is difficult to bring to life faithfully. Even if it's just minor action scenes or how the character moves, it will generally call for rewrites or new scripts.
 

Casimir

Unconfirmed Member
I don't understand what's so hard about using the script for the animated movie as a starting point. Isn't that what they are doing for the other live action films?

How many white male leads are in that script?
 
but why does the white dude lead need to be in there

No one knows if the white dude is in it. The OP is misleading. It's based off a spec script bought by Disney. It's only reliable in that in what appears to be the very first iteration (not written by Disney) there was a white male lead.

Answers will be given when casting notices are sent out.
 
No one knows if the white dude is in it. The OP is misleading. It's based off a spec script bought by Disney. It's only reliable in that in what appears to be the very first iteration (not written by Disney) there was a white male lead.

Answers will be given when casting notices are sent out.

Yeah, that's what I'm asking: why does there need to be a white male lead in any version of any script of a Mulan movie? Why must that be the starting point for this script?
 

Aeana

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Everyone has been talking about the guy being white, which is bad enough, but why is the lead character a male in the first place? Mulan is supposed to be the heroine of her own story.
 
No, it was another movie about a white male savior who had yellow fever, and saved the Asians from the evil Asian forces. For some unfathomable reason in movie featuring Nic Cage, Nic Cage didn't get the protagonist role, he was given short screen time as the wise mentor role while some bland white guy was the hero.

It was Anakin himself, Hayden Christanson.
 
No one knows if the white dude is in it. The OP is misleading. It's based off a spec script bought by Disney. It's only reliable in that in what appears to be the very first iteration (not written by Disney) there was a white male lead.

Answers will be given when casting notices are sent out.

Why was there EVER a white dude in the lead? Why did it take a spec script with a white dude for them to agree to remake Mulan?
 
Yeah, that's what I'm asking: why does there need to be a white male lead in any version of any script of a Mulan movie? Why must that be the starting point for this script?

The starting point was remaking Mulan. They purchased a script for a reason no one besides Disney knows. It could be because the writer is quite good but the story she worked on was eh, parts of the script were decent, or they wanted to make sure no one else made the story. It's all conjecture at this point. What is more telling is Disney isn't going to whitewash something this huge in today's world as noted as their push for more diversity in their movies.

Disney did not write or commission a script with a white male lead, it was a script by a third-party who wanted to get recognized in the industry and it seems she has. Disney's version is actually not going to be what was written in this spec script.

Why was there EVER a white dude in the lead? Why did it take a spec script with a white dude for them to agree to remake Mulan?

The script didn't make Disney want to remake Mulan, Disney wanted to make Mulan and shopped for scripts.
 

DOWN

Banned
So essentially this was a script floating around and what Disney has gone toward via new writings and rewrites may not resemble this script in the OP at all? Essentially this could be one of the common cases where they just bought a script to make sure they wouldn't get in trouble for making something similar and maybe they don't even have this writer doing any current work on the real script?

I just don't buy that Disney would fuck over their version of Mulan and fuck up their live adaptation this much. They don't have that kind of track record that I can recall.
 
The script didn't make Disney want to remake Mulan, Disney wanted to make Mulan and shopped for scripts.

And bought the one with the white male lead to use as a starting point...I understand that you're being optimistic and hopeful, but either the rest of the script was so incredible it easily surpassed all the other ones, or the white male lead was so insignificant that he could be completely written out without warranting simply going for another script without him, but it seems unlikely
 

notaskwid

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The man is a 30-something European trader who initially cares only for the pleasure of women and money. The only reason why he and his entourage decide to help the Chinese Imperial Army is because he sets eyes on Mulan. That's right. Our white savior has come to the aid of Ancient China due to a classic case of Yellow Fever.

I dunno. Would you say that in Hiroshima Mon Amour Okada Eiji has "white fever"?
 

suzu

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Asian American actors often head over to Asia to get work, because there isn't enough roles in their own birth country. Which obviously sucks.

So I'd vastly prefer if Disney search for good unknown actors here (in NA/EU), like with some of their other films.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
And bought the one with the white male lead to use as a starting point...I understand that you're being optimistic and hopeful, but either the rest of the script was so incredible it easily surpassed all the other ones, or the white male lead was so insignificant that he could be completely written out without warranting simply going for another script without him, but it seems unlikely

Again, as has been stated several times, they don't necessarily even buy scripts because they intend to produce them; they can do it to prevent other studios for going in on it (otherwise you end up with stuff like the Jungle Book situation) or with the full intent that they'll only use elements of it; something as simple as literally "well I really like this supporting character here, we could do something similar" might merit buying the script, because if you have something similar and you didn't pay for it they'd be within their rights to come after you. One thing the Writers Guild is actually very good at is making sure screenwriters get their due.

This is an account deliberately given with no background into how films get made to get more exposure and outrage.
 
If we couldn't make Iron Fist Asian American (because the comic 'historically' starred a white guy), can we at least keep Mulan about Chinese people, because, you know, history?

Classic Hollywood.
 
Asian American actors often head over to Asia to get work, because there isn't enough roles in their own birth country. Which obviously sucks.

So I'd vastly prefer if Disney search for good unknown actors here (in NA/EU), like with some of their other films.

Its kinda sad when you hear black males from elsewhere come to America the same way and yet you look around and see the rare opportunity here its like man how bad is it where they come from.
 

Cybit

FGC Waterboy
Again, as has been stated several times, they don't necessarily even buy scripts because they intend to produce them; they can do it to prevent other studios for going in on it (otherwise you end up with stuff like the Jungle Book situation) or with the full intent that they'll only use elements of it; something as simple as literally "well I really like this supporting character here, we could do something similar" might merit buying the script, because if you have something similar and you didn't pay for it they'd be within their rights to come after you. One thing the Writers Guild is actually very good at is making sure screenwriters get their due.

This is an account deliberately given with no background into how films get made to get more exposure and outrage.

If you want to see crazy changes - find the original script for Guardians of the Galaxy and compare it to the actual movie.
 
If you want to see crazy changes - find the original script for Guardians of the Galaxy and compare it to the actual movie.

No one doubts that changes will be made from a spec script to the final version. The reason why people are speaking up now is because we want to make sure that the RIGHT changes are made, and that Disney produces a final product that represents Asians and Asian Americans in a positive, progressive manner. We don't need your white savior character, thank you very much.
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
Is chasing China money actually realistic for this movie? Wonder how open the Chinese audience will be to a Western-produced movie about China, especially since Wuxia movies are commonplace. Will loading it with native Chinese actors and actresses be enough to lend credibility to the movie or will the movie be doomed to be viewed as inauthentic regardless of the actual quality of the movie or the cast?

Kung Fu Panda was a gigantic hit there. Kung Fu Panda wanted to be authentic as possible, and I think that benifited the final product in america too.

Mulan on the other hand was extremely american, but I think most of the stuff americans liked about Mulan was the American bits. It's also harder to please both when you're altering a Chinese story instead of making your own.
 

F0rneus

Tears in the rain
How about no love interest, and the movie ends with a R rated romp through Shan Yu's troops in the palace. Topped off with a 15 minute fight scene on the rooftop.

Directed by Gareth Evans
 

Strax

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Disney and other studios buy sooo many scripts every year it not really news that this script was bought and will be rewritten at least 3 times before they'll even think about making it. And I doubt they will.
 
Disney and other studios buy sooo many scripts every year it not really news that this script was bought and will be rewritten at least 3 times before they'll even think about making it. And I doubt they will.

They announced they were making it this week, but also announced new scriptwriters that would be rewriting the spec script the OG people wrote

So they are going to use it as a base, but they'll likely change 75-80% of it. Then other scriptwriters will get a pass at it. Then it'll hit the Disney braintrust.
 

Bogard

Member
Apparently, the current Blue Power Ranger in the show (@YoshiStunts on twitter) is campaigning super-hard to be Li Shang. Good look-alike, but it'll never happen. He does have good comparison pics there too.
 
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