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There's no better Asian actor in existence than Ken Watanabe for portraying ancient generals and businessman.

Only if you ignore Kenneth Tsang

in 007

 

[Korey]

Why do they need to be American?

Because Hollywood is in America and it'd be nice if the 5 to 6 Asian-American actors finally got hired for an actual job.

 

[Anko]

honestly I have no issue with this concept. As long as asians, whether american or not, get work. It would be great if they were the same exact nationality as what the script asks, but for me whats most important is that, racially they are the same. its like Christian Bale being Batman. Nationality wise it's incorrect, but racially it's fine according to how hes written. Baby steps. Lets actually get asian actors in the roles first cause we cant even do that!

with that said, and as I said, those 2 actors are way to old for these parts

Chinese and Japanese. Racially the same. So we do look the same to you. Nice to know!

 

[Takuan]

I'm not surprised, but they'll probably change it up if they want that Chinese box office money. Someone's going to realize this wouldn't bode well otherwise.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Chinese and Japanese. Racially the same. So we do look the same to you. Nice to know!

chinese and japanese are apart of the asian race. they are nationally and culturally different but they are both asian. smh

 

[andythinkpad]

honestly I have no issue with this concept. As long as asians, whether american or not, get work. It would be great if they were the same exact nationality as what the script asks, but for me whats most important is that, racially they are the same. its like Christian Bale being Batman. Nationality wise it's incorrect, but racially it's fine according to how hes written. Baby steps. Lets actually get asian actors in the roles first cause we cant even do that!

with that said, and as I said, those 2 actors are way to old for these parts

Why are you deciding that racial classification is more important than nationality? Is this some kind of White Man's progessive move?

"Asia" the region was never a concept in either Chinese or Japanese language until europeans introduced this concept yo them.

 

[AlexBasch]

I want my man Nicolas Cage to be on everything.

Dude needs

Spoiler

a shitload of

money and he never fails to entertain me. Why not let him be Mulan?

Why you gotta be like this, GAF? You jaded bastards.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Why are you deciding that racial classification is more important than nationality? Is this some kind of White Man's progessive move?

Its like you read one thing but ignored the rest.

Asians cant even get roles as Asians in hollywood. So just getting the role itself is a win. again, baby steps. Lets actually get the damn roles first.

most of the american non asian audience are only gonna see asian. whether japanese korean chinese, lets be real, most of them cant tell the difference and lump them together.

 

[BLOODED_hands]

Not really sure you are limited to Asians in America, where there are a lot more Chinese American/Canadian/Britain/Australian already in Asian who are established star.

Yea compared to other places that is not 'Murica, there are alot of well established Asian actors/actresses.

Sort of off-topic: To bring in my culture, Hmong American's were ecstatic to see ourselves in Gran Torino and BvS lol. Sure we made fun of ourselves and the roles that they were casted in but man..... It legit felt good to see Hmong people on the big screen 😂

 

[andythinkpad]

Its like you read one thing but ignored the rest.

Asians cant even get roles as Asians in hollywood. So just getting the role itself is a win. again, baby steps. Lets actually get the damn roles first.

So you will do it as an progessive move in United States even though it's seem as an insult in China?

Again, which audience are you trying to please?

 

[Bishop89]

quentin did great with kill bill v1

 

[Anko]

chinese and japanese are apart of the asian race. they are nationally and culturally different but they are both asian. smh

Wow. So we can cast an Indian or Malay too, right? How about Thai then?

We live in Asia, a continent. And just because you can refer to the whole continent as the "Asian race", doesn't mean we're ethnically the same at all.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Wow. So we can cast an Indian or Malay too, right? How about Thai then?

We live in Asia, a continent. And just because you can refer to the whole continent as the "Asian race", doesn't mean we're ethnically the same at all.

east asian? you are missing my whole point and trying to find a reason to be offended when I'm just being realistic with hollywood

I never said that asian means they are ethnically the same. But east asians are mongoloids. and the non asian audience for the most part isn't going to try to discern it.

but as I said before. Baby steps, brother. Get the roles first. Then push for cultural accuracy.

So you will do it as an progessive move in United States even though it's seem as an insult in China?

Again, which audience are you trying to please?

me personally? I'm not trying to please any audience. I'm not making this movie.

 

[Anko]

east asian? you are missing my whole point and trying to find a reason to be offended when I'm just being realistic with hollywood

I never said that asian means they are ethnically the same. But east asians are mongoloids. and the non asian audience for the most part isn't going to try to discern it.

but as I said before. Baby steps, brother. Get the roles first. Then push for cultural accuracy.

You are aware of the history between China and Japan? You do not see why I think it's a bad idea to cast Japanese as Chinese? It's not much better with Korea. It's a thorny issue in Asia but whatever right? So long as the Caucasians can't tell.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

You are aware of the history between China and Japan? You do not see why I think it's a bad idea to cast Japanese as Chinese? It's not much better with Korea. It's a thorny issue in Asia but whatever right? So long as the Caucasians can't tell.

my concern is america cause I live in america and my perspective on this is how it will effect americans, so for me? yes.

with that said, from my experience, alot of asians can't tell as well, until you open your mouth and speak.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Off the top of my head of Asian American actors and actresses with some kind of recognition:

John Cho
Kal Penn
Tim Chantarangsu aka Timothydelaghetto
Jonathan Park aka Dumbfoundead
Lucy Liu
Chloe Wang, er, Bennet
Olivia Munn
Randall Park
Ken Jeong
Constance Wu
Steven Yeun
George Takei

Slight recognition:

Kevin Wu aka kevjumba
Justin Chon from 21 and Over
Vincent Rodriguez III
Will Yun Lee
Jay Park
Daniel Wu

Without cheating and going on wiki, that's 18 Asian American actors and actresses. That's... Not good. Some from my list are from youtube who have moved on to an acting career (or some sort of an acting career). I'm sure I have missed plenty of other people from youtube and in hollywood.

Would it be farfetched to say there are less than 100 Asian American actors? I hope not because if there are that is just disheartening for aspiring young Asian American's who want to get into acting.

Don't forget

Dude was one of the best parts of Lost and is darn good on Hawaii 5-0.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Don't forget

man he old as hell too.


the real dont forget is Ki Hong Lee

 

[duckroll]

chinese and japanese are apart of the asian race. they are nationally and culturally different but they are both asian. smh

Wow...

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Wow...

are they not both mongoloids?

 

[Monocle]

If this is legit, I'm beyond disgusted. The idea of a Mulan movie centering on some white guy is stupid and downright insulting—not just to Asian people but the movie's entire potential audience and cast.

"Hey, let's take this awesome story about a strong-ass Chinese woman and whitewash the fuck out of it. Because if Mulan lacked one thing in her movie, it was a white man to protect her. It'll be great! It'll be great."

 

[Anko]

my concern is america cause I live in america and my perspective on this is how it will effect americans, so for me? yes.

with that said, from my experience, alot of asians can't tell as well, until you open your mouth and speak.

Oh do tell. I'm sure you know a lot of Asians.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Oh do tell. I'm sure you know a lot of Asians.

I do. and Ive been to just about every east asian country.

 

[Anko]

I do. and Ive been to just about every east asian country.

Oh wow. I haven't been to most. I just live in one.

Anyway, my issue with the script isn't just the whitewashing. It's how it seemingly misses the main theme of the original legend entirely.

 

[Aquavelvaman]

are they not both mongoloids?

Just stop

 

[BLOODED_hands]

Don't forget

Dude was one of the best parts of Lost and is darn good on Hawaii 5-0.

He popped up in my head after I posted that, hah.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Oh wow. I haven't been to most. I just live in one.

nice. whats your point?

 

[gconsole]

Wow. So we can cast an Indian or Malay too, right? How about Thai then?

We live in Asia, a continent. And just because you can refer to the whole continent as the "Asian race", doesn't mean we're ethnically the same at all.

Why do u need to be mad? It is obvious he means asian race as east asian or mongoloid in scientific term. Just like when Chow Yun Fat as thai king. It is not that bad as long as their look match the role. Of course regardless of history which might make Japanese actor casting as Chinese a no.

The term asian must be the most confusing and misused on the internet

 

[Monocle]

are they not both mongoloids?

Do people still use this term, lol? I've literally never heard it in a context that wasn't derogatory.

 

[hodayathink]

The amount of people willing to take this whole thing at face value is just sad. Both in a Hollywood has set the bar so low that people think this could/would happen aspect, and a people just don't seem to care about how spec scripts actually work aspect.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Just stop

its ok for any type of white dude (german, american, irish, etc) to play any type of white dude as long as they can play the role.

It should be the same for asians, Especially when asians cant even get the role of actual asian characters. If a japanese dude can play this chinese character, then I say give it to him, as long as he gets it over the white dude.

I mean right now, its "acceptable" for white people to get asians roles.

my point is we need to get the roles first before we cry about other shit.

I dont see how this is hard to understand.

Do people still use this term, lol? I've literally never heard it in a context that wasn't derogatory.

then we need to strip the power of it away. anglo-saxon isnt considered derogatory. we gotta get the words on that the same level.

 

[duckroll]

are they not both mongoloids?

Sure, if you put it that way! I guess I should identify as mongoloid from now on. All the same!

 

[andythinkpad]

Why do u need to be mad? It is obvious he means asian race as east asian or mongoloid in scientific term. Just like when Chow Yun Fat as thai king. It is not that bad as long as their look match the role. Of course regardless of history which might make Japanese actor casting as Chinese a no.

The term asian must be the most confusing and misused on the internet

Nah bro the word "Indian" is. And two different groups of people identify themselves as "Indians." At lease Chinese don't identify themselves as "East Asians."

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Sure, if you put it that way! I guess I should identify as mongoloid from now on. All the same!

lets just ignore my actual point and harp on me not being super specific!

 

[MrCunningham]

I really have to go with Nicolas Cage here.

 

[Monocle]

then we need to strip the power of it away. anglo-saxon isnt considered derogatory. we gotta get the words on that the same level.

You can't reclaim a loaded term by charging yourself with the noble duty of normalizing it, and then proceeding to drop the word whenever you feel like it. Don't be ridiculous.

"What's up my chink?"

"Not cool bro."

"It's chill, I'm helping to strip away that word's power."

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

You can't reclaim a loaded term by charging yourself with the noble duty of normalizing it, and then proceeding to drop the word whenever you feel like it. Don't be ridiculous.

i can use the term mongoloid. i have that right. and if I wish to reclaim it, I have that right too.

and lets be real. chink and mongoloid are two different things entirely.

 

[Monocle]

i can use the term mongoloid. i was born with that right. and if I wish to reclaim it, I have that right too.

Just like I have the right to use the term faggot and totally ignore the fact that society at large belongs to everyone, and I can't erase a word's ugly history and current associations by fiat.

Keep fighting the good fight though. I guess you can pretend that communication is a one-way street and everyone can just invent their own definitions.

 

[duckroll]

its ok for any type of white dude (german, american, irish) to play any type of white dude as long as they can play the role.

It should be the same for asians, Especially when asians cant even get the role of actual asian characters. If a japanese dude can play a this chinese character, then I say give it to him, as long as he gets it over the white dude.

I mean right now, its "acceptable" for white people to get asians roles.

my point is we need to get the roles first before we cry about other shit.

I dont see how this is hard to understand.

On one hand, I can understand this, and since the debate here entirely about the casting in an American production in America, that perspective is accurate and I should be supportive of it.

On the other hand, as an Asian in Asia, I strongly believe that cultural representation is very important, especially since the main industries here can easily support it. So the idea of casting a famous Japanese actor to play a historical Korean person in an Asian film for example, would be a foolish choice. So it's hard not to be stubborn about it from this perspective.

Just like I have the right to use the term faggot and totally ignore the fact that society at large belongs to everyone, and I can't erase a word's ugly history and current associations by fiat.

Well if you're British...

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Just like I have the right to use the term faggot and totally ignore the fact that society at large belongs to everyone, and I can't erase a word's ugly history and current associations by fiat.

sure because faggot and mongoloid are even remotely similar in its common usage and understanding of it when society hears it

 

[Monocle]

Well if you're British...

My ancestors were British. Or at least European. Close enough, amirite?

sure because faggot and mongoloid are even remotely similar in its common usage and understanding of it when society hears it

Feel free to substitute a more apt word. You understand my point regardless.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

My ancestors were British. Or at least European. Close enough, amirite?

oh your white? please, dont even come at me for using mongoloid.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

In my opinion if you want to do this right, do it right all the way- don't half fuck it.

Give people minimal reasons to get mad at your movie before they even watch it.

 

[Monocle]

oh your white? pleas, dont even come at me for using mongoloid.

You have a unique perspective on language, don't you?

 

[DorkLord54]

...

Is it wrong that I'm intrigued by the thought of a Mulan movie starring Nicolas Cage?

"We have to steal the Great Wall..."

 

[yogloo]

I really have to go with Nicolas Cage here.

Do you want Nicholas Cage as Mulan or li Shang? But I can't see anything wrong with both of those.

 

[lightskintwin]

There are a lot of Asian american actors that create their own content online due to the lack of roles in general for them.

You can start with Wong Fu Productions who have their own show on Youtube Red.

 

[S-Wind]

I do. and Ive been to just about every east asian country.

Whoa! We have "an expert" over here!

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

You have a unique perspective on language, don't you?

http://youtu.be/E58qLXBfLrs

Whoa! We have "an expert" over here!

I get the joke and the reference....but what if I really am an expert tho?

 

[BLOODED_hands]

Do you want Nicholas Cage as Mulan or li Shang? But I can't see anything wrong with both of those.

Can't they just CGI Nicholas Cage everywhere? He can play multiple characters, fam.

There are a lot of Asian american actors that create their own content online due to the lack of roles in general for them.

You can start with Wong Fu Productions who have their own show on Youtube Red.

Yeah, Youtube is where alot of Asian Americans are due to the way Hollywood works. Can't say I blame them. Tons of kids and people I know consume alot of Asian American media from Youtube instead of Hollywood.

 

[S-Wind]

http://youtu.be/E58qLXBfLrs



I get the joke and the reference....but what if I really am an expert tho?

If you think you are, then you really are not.

Which explains your insistence on using the term "mongoloid"....