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Gifted with celebrity and a fantastic voice that are destroyed with drugs and other vices that became available to her as a result of that celebrity. Same old story all over again.
 
Ummmm, I'm sorry but Jennifer Hudson? You guys are HAPPY that Jennifer Hudson is going to be anywhere NEAR that tribute??? This is a travesty.

I know some of Pop-GAF is going to point out that my personal fave is Christina Aguilera, and she's very guilty of yelling and over-singing. But hell, at least Christina has a very masterful lower and mid register (truly the best in the game right now) to compensate for her occasional screaming.

Jennifer Hudson doesn't even have that! J-Hud is the Queen of scream, she has no control, her lower register is garbage, and she will ruin a Whitney Houston tribute. ;_;
 
Dishwalla said:
But that's the thing, they didn't change anything. Bands like Sonic Youth and R.E.M. and Dinosaur Jr. were all doing the same thing they were doing, except better, it's just that Nirvana got to the major labels first. Seriously, this is like saying Green Day's Dookie changed everything, even though punk and more specifically pop-punk had been around and doing well for years.

Sorry for derailing a RIP Whitney Houston thread, but when being called dumb by some Nirvana apologist who himself doesn't quite know his music history...
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Wow. Have you heard those bands? REM and DJr were nothing like Nirvana, and Sonic Youth were on a whole different level of genius, which limited their mainstream influence.
 
royalan said:
Ummmm, I'm sorry but Jennifer Hudson? You guys are HAPPY that Jennifer Hudson is going to be anywhere NEAR that tribute??? This is a travesty.

I know some of Pop-GAF is going to point out that my personal fave is Christina Aguilera, and she's very guilty of yelling and over-singing. But hell, at least Christina has a very masterful lower and mid register (truly the best in the game right now) to compensate for her occasional screaming.

Jennifer Hudson doesn't even have that! J-Hud is the Queen of scream, she has no control, her lower register is garbage, and she will ruin a Whitney Houston tribute. ;_;
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Xtina asked to watch this one from the crowd to get a better sense for how her tribute will go next year.
 
giga said:
aeiko
Banned

Heh.
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surprised he lasted as long as he did carrying on like that.


royalan said:
Ummmm, I'm sorry but Jennifer Hudson? You guys are HAPPY that Jennifer Hudson is going to be anywhere NEAR that tribute??? This is a travesty.

I know some of Pop-GAF is going to point out that my personal fave is Christina Aguilera, and she's very guilty of yelling and over-singing. But hell, at least Christina has a very masterful lower and mid register (truly the best in the game right now) to compensate for her occasional screaming.

Jennifer Hudson doesn't even have that! J-Hud is the Queen of scream, she has no control, her lower register is garbage, and she will ruin a Whitney Houston tribute. ;_;
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this is...a joke post?
 
Oh wow. This is quite shocking. :( A quick glance over at CNN shows that her bodyguard found her and nothing beyond that.
 
Dany M said:
Oh wow. This is quite shocking. :( A quick glance over at CNN shows that her bodyguard found her and nothing beyond that.
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about as shocking as Amy Winehouse's death. not shocking at all. just pretty damn sad.

her body guard found her you say? how is Kevin Costner taking it?
 
Dead Man said:
Wow. Have you heard those bands? REM and DJr were nothing like Nirvana, and Sonic Youth were on a whole different level of genius, which limited their mainstream influence.
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They were all alternative bands that were getting attention several years prior to Nirvana breaking through. Hell, one could add Jane's Addiction to that.

Nirvana and Nevermind didn't change anything, they were just another fad that the recording industry latched onto and milked for all they were worth to help sign other grunge bands. The same thing happened when bands like Van Halen and Motley Crue kickstarted the hair metal scene(the scene that grunge ushered out) a decade before, the same thing that happened when Green Day hit it big(bands like Bad Religion, Pennywise, and NOFX were all pressured by big labels to sign), the same thing happened when Korn and Limp Bizkit briefly made nu-metal cool, and the same thing happened when The White Stripes ushered in garage rock revival and we got several bands with "The" names(The Vines, The Strokes...).

That's all the recording industry is, and that's all Nirvana really was.
 
Dishwalla said:
They were all alternative bands that were getting attention several years prior to Nirvana breaking through. Hell, one could add Jane's Addiction to that.

Nirvana and Nevermind didn't change anything, they were just another fad that the recording industry latched onto and milked for all they were worth to help sign other grunge bands. The same thing happened when bands like Van Halen and Motley Crue kickstarted the hair metal scene(the scene that grunge ushered out) a decade before, the same thing that happened when Green Day hit it big(bands like Bad Religion, Pennywise, and NOFX were all pressured by big labels to sign), the same thing happened when Korn and Limp Bizkit briefly made nu-metal cool, and the same thing happened when The White Stripes ushered in garage rock revival and we got several bands with "The" names(The Vines, The Strokes...).

That's all the recording industry is, and that's all Nirvana really was.
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It just gets better and better.
 
royalan said:
Ummmm, I'm sorry but Jennifer Hudson? You guys are HAPPY that Jennifer Hudson is going to be anywhere NEAR that tribute??? This is a travesty.

I know some of Pop-GAF is going to point out that my personal fave is Christina Aguilera, and she's very guilty of yelling and over-singing. But hell, at least Christina has a very masterful lower and mid register (truly the best in the game right now) to compensate for her occasional screaming.

Jennifer Hudson doesn't even have that! J-Hud is the Queen of scream, she has no control, her lower register is garbage, and she will ruin a Whitney Houston tribute. ;_;
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?

Beyonce, Adele, Florence, and Mariah all have stronger mid-belts (F4 - B4 range) than Christina does these days, and Lady Gaga might be stronger as well.
 
Geez, just happened to catch Mtv's airing the music videosa moment ago nd was wondering why. And then I remembered they did the same for MJ and it just hit me.

RIP
 
Dreams-Visions said:
this is...a joke post?
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I wish it was.

Mumei said:
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Beyonce, Adele, Florence, and Mariah all have stronger mid-belts (F4 - B4 range) than Christina does these days, and Lady Gaga might be stronger as well.
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But I'm talking about J-Hud right now, and she definitely doesn't have the type of control over her mid-belts that Christina does.

And not to derail, but I'll give you Beyonce, Florence and Mariah...not so sure about Lady Gaga and Adele
 
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I think thats tooo soon
 
Dishwalla said:
They were all alternative bands that were getting attention several years prior to Nirvana breaking through. Hell, one could add Jane's Addiction to that.

Nirvana and Nevermind didn't change anything, they were just another fad that the recording industry latched onto and milked for all they were worth to help sign other grunge bands. The same thing happened when bands like Van Halen and Motley Crue kickstarted the hair metal scene(the scene that grunge ushered out) a decade before, the same thing that happened when Green Day hit it big(bands like Bad Religion, Pennywise, and NOFX were all pressured by big labels to sign), the same thing happened when Korn and Limp Bizkit briefly made nu-metal cool, and the same thing happened when The White Stripes ushered in garage rock revival and we got several bands with "The" names(The Vines, The Strokes...).

That's all the recording industry is, and that's all Nirvana really was.
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next you'll be telling me you haven't heard of The Pixies.

Black-Box said:
I think thats tooo soon
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no such thing. rip the plaster off. it hurts, but it'll make you feel better.
 
royalan said:
I wish it was.
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dude how old is that? she's fat in that video and hasn't been for a couple years now.

-_-

sometimes singers have a down day. Jennifer has been fucking sensational much more often than mediocre.


Hero_of_the_Day said:
How the fuck did a debate about Nirvana wind up in this thread?
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someone decided they'd object to someone innocuously commenting that Whitney was the 90s with "not so fast: nirvana.jpg".
 
Dishwalla said:
They were all alternative bands that were getting attention several years prior to Nirvana breaking through. Hell, one could add Jane's Addiction to that.

Nirvana and Nevermind didn't change anything, they were just another fad that the recording industry latched onto and milked for all they were worth to help sign other grunge bands. The same thing happened when bands like Van Halen and Motley Crue kickstarted the hair metal scene(the scene that grunge ushered out) a decade before, the same thing that happened when Green Day hit it big(bands like Bad Religion, Pennywise, and NOFX were all pressured by big labels to sign), the same thing happened when Korn and Limp Bizkit briefly made nu-metal cool, and the same thing happened when The White Stripes ushered in garage rock revival and we got several bands with "The" names(The Vines, The Strokes...).

That's all the recording industry is, and that's all Nirvana really was.
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I don't even know where to begin with this post. You may want to actually look at some rock history before spouting.

I will just give you this one tip. The Vines formed in 1994, The White Stripes in 1997.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
dude how old is that? she's fat in that video and hasn't been for a couple years now.

-_-
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He was referring to what she was doing *vocally* and not what she looked like.
Nevermind that Christina does the identical thing and just happens to have a better tone doing it!

Has she stopped belting with a high larynx, then? I haven't listened to her in a few years.
 
Dishwalla said:
And I love how you can't even back yourself up.

And yes I've heard of The Pixies, they are another one of those bands that were doing everything Nirvana was doing but better that I was talking about.
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Someone with a nick like "Dishwalla" shouldn't be lecturing others on music, lol. One of the worst one-hit wonder bands of the 90s.
 
RIP

This tragedy illustrates show biz's destructive influence on the weak. Her parents tried their damnest to protect her from he dark side of stardom, but apparently that wasn't enough. Let's not blame Bobby -- Whitney did this to Whitney.
 
Dishwalla said:
And I love how you can't even back yourself up.

And yes I've heard of The Pixies, they are another one of those bands that were doing everything Nirvana was doing but better that I was talking about.
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then in future, if you want to roll out this tired debate, i suggest you maybe reference them rather than Dinosaur Jr.

guess what, Nirvana broke through. don't begrudge them that. whether they were original or not, they certainly weren't manufactured. Kurt Cobain always admitted that Nevermind sounded like a Pixies song...

but sure, they weren't influenced by it, they stole it. and they were manufactured, and they never did anything of note but be popular. blah blah blah.

did you hear? Whitney Houston died. i know right?
 
NBooger said:
RIP

This tragedy illustrates show biz's destructive influence on the weak. Her parents tried their damnest to protect her from he dark side of stardom, but apparently that wasn't enough. Let's not blame Bobby -- Whitney did this to Whitney.
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Nintendo's Booger is back!!!!! This is the greatest thread ever.
 
Mumei said:
He was referring to what she was doing *vocally* and not what she looked like.
Nevermind that Christina does the identical thing and just happens to have a better tone doing it!

Has she stopped belting with a high larynx, then? I haven't listened to her in a few years.
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I was making the point that the video is not recent. AND she's killed plenty of performances in her career. Posting one video of a woman for whom we can post 20 videos of destroying songs is silly. If there is one current singer who I expect could do a good job that's under 50, I'd be Jennifer Hudson. I'm glad she agreed.

and nobody cares about Christina. Please drop it.
 
NBooger said:
RIP

This tragedy illustrates show biz's destructive influence on the weak. Her parents tried their damnest to protect her from he dark side of stardom, but apparently that wasn't enough. Let's not blame Bobby -- Whitney did this to Whitney.
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i thought we were blaming showbiz? huh.

drugs man. fucking drugs. maybe some people can do them and not totally fuck their entire life up, but you sure can't guess who can and can't.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
dude how old is that? she's fat in that video and hasn't been for a couple years now.

-_-

sometimes singers have a down day. Jennifer has been fucking sensational much more often than mediocre.




someone decided they'd object to someone innocuously commenting that Whitney was the 90s with "not so fast: nirvana.jpg".
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Here then - her performing a song from her last album on Letterman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahhuyfoCw8M

Less vocally demanding song, but similar issues. I'm not completely against J-Hud, but her vocals know no subtlety, and she's only comfortable when she's shouting. That's not Whitney. Not even close.

If they want to do Whitney justice, they need to get some CHURCH! singers up in that tribute. What's Yolanda Adams doing these days?
 
royalan said:
But I'm talking about J-Hud right now, and she definitely doesn't have the type of control over her mid-belts that Christina does.

And not to derail, but I'll give you Beyonce, Florence and Mariah...not so sure about Lady Gaga and Adele
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Please, if Nirvana isn't a derail, then discussing singers to sing for her can't be

I agree about JHud; I was just disagreeing with Christina being the best in the midbelt range these days.

And I think Lady Gaga might be iffy, but she's a possibility. I'd have to listen to them singing the same notes. But when I listen to Adele and Christina in that range, they sound pretty close, and this is in studio - live Christina hasn't been up this standard recently. Beyonce is probably the closest in terms of being in her prime, having the right range, and having a lot of power. I'm not sure about how much I'd like her interpretative choices and trust her not to be self-indulgent, but in terms of chops she's probably the best choice.

krypt0nian said:
This one holds personal meaning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WH1Ma50QUk

All The Man
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The best live version. The studio doesn't hold a candle for me.

All The Man That I Need (Arsenio Hall 1992)
 
Enron said:
Yeah. REM wasn't on a major label or anything in 1991.
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And your point is? Nevermind the fact that you are wrong(they signed to Warner in 1988, and already had popular mainstream songs like "The One I Love"; also their most popular song "Losing my Religion" was released several months before Nevermind), that doesn't somehow make them a lesser band than Nirvana, just because they weren't quite as big.
 
Dishwalla said:
And your point is? Nevermind the fact that you are wrong(they signed to Warner in 1988, and already had popular mainstream songs like "The One I Love"; also their most popular song "Losing my Religion" was released several months before Nevermind), that doesn't somehow make them a lesser band than Nirvana, just because they weren't quite as big.
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What does R.E.M. have to do with what Nirvana.....you know nevermind. 2012 is about not arguing on the internet with fools.

Back to non-foolish shit:

Mumei said:
The best live version. The studio doesn't hold a candle for me.

All The Man That I Need (Arsenio Hall 1992)
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O M G

You're right as usual.

Wigs are being ripped! <3
 
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