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Who should be the next James Bond?
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Let it rest 10-15 years and then we can reassess the franchise
0neAnd0nly
Member
My stance is please get rid of everybody from the Craig film, not only actors but also CJF, PWB and anybody attached to the writing directing (that isn’t a long stay from series prior to Craig).
And go from there.
Cavil rumor is very controversial of validity in the Bond community, FWIW. He would be a good fit though, IMO. Wouldn’t hate it.
And go from there.
Cavil rumor is very controversial of validity in the Bond community, FWIW. He would be a good fit though, IMO. Wouldn’t hate it.
pramod
Banned
Yeah i dont know why the writing in the Craig films have been so horrible..besides from Casino Royale, we had some of the most incomprehensible and illogical villain plans and motivations. Makes me wish they would just stick with something simple, like stealing nukes and holding the world hostage.
March Climber
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2 of Craig's movies literally did this and were the most critically panned, Spectre and Quantum of Solace. Casino Royale was a great movie. Then they tried to go back to basics in Quantum and people didn't like the sudden step back. I'm not going to defend Quantum, but I honestly thought Spectre was a great film(better than Skyfall in my opinion) and yet it was considered another step backwards.
The personal side plots and over the top complicated bad guy schemes(and also having bad guys who were half-bad guys) were the most present in Skyfall and No Time to Die and people seemed to love both movies. I think that's the direction they'll be taking things in the future because they want to keep that high critical praise, and old school Bond has just been looked at harshly ever since Die Another Day showed us the worst of that older formula.
0neAnd0nly
Member
As a massive Bond fan, I tend to love them all.
BUT.
Craigs run will likely be remembered universally for only 2 good / great films; Casino Royale and Skyfall. The rest… on a good day are controversial. Divisive for sure universally. On a bad day they are not good at all. NTTD was genuinely the first Bond film I left unhappy from a theater in my existence. It just… didn’t sit right with me.
Oh well. I just want a clean slate.
I like Craig in the role. I really do. His presence will be missed. But I’m truly ready to have an actor that doesn’t bad mouth the character and what he stands for, doesn’t “hate” playing him, and hopefully doesn’t have demands that leave massive gaps between films. I would also like a director who actually WANTS to make a Bond film.
There are plenty of both of those in the sea of actors and directors from the UK. Let’s do that path instead.
0neAnd0nly
Member
That’s, respectfully, a bit of a simplification as to reasoning of why those films weren’t liked.
First off, Casino Royale is literally the oldest Bond story there is. That’s the definition of classic Bond. Have you ever read the book? I highly suggest it, and the movie is almost a 1:1 modern clone of the book, though imo not as brutal as the book is. That is classic Bond.
Moving forward, not in any kind of order…
QoS I didn’t hate, but it’s forgettable. Had nothing to do with the formula IMO, the movie wasn’t well paced, it felt jumbled at times, threats felt… at different ends of the spectrum. Just a lot of filler without a ton of meat. Also, it was on the heels of the entrance of Craig and success of CR. A lot of hype that it had to live up to.
Spectre was very, very similar. It had things that on paper felt like it would appease any Bond fan… but the filler… geez. It was messy, they tried to introduce a lot of stuff that just seemed oddly constructed / coincidental. Craig completely seemed unenthused and it was IMO his worst job at 007 in any of his films. Just a rough combination. The biggest issue for Spectre IMO, was that people wanted the Blofeld arc to be a complete movie. But it wasn’t. It seemed to be made just to connect dots from the last movie, and then set you up for the next movie. The threat didn’t seem big or elaborate… it seemed contrived and messy. IMO of course, but that’s how I felt. I still liked it. I like… most all of them.
Skyfall I really liked the pacing, I like the personal arc, I liked the action, it felt good IMO. Also Adel crushed the opening, set the pace nicely. And I will forever love that film for putting to rest the effing code name theory for the casuals who constantly try to force that. Geez.
NTTD is definitely not universally loved. That isn’t a good estimation of that film. It would, on most peoples list fall at 3-5 in the Craig era, which is pretty poor. For me, it was the worst Bond film ever made. I’d rather not spoiler stuff in here to delve further, but it was a film really made for the casual audience IMO and left his character completely behind. The problem is, the casual audience also seemed pretty split on it.
According to the meta critic “metascore” it is the 3rd best Craig film with a 68. The user score is a 6.3. Fwiw, the highest rated Craig film via user score is actually Skyfall, followed by CR and then NTTD.
Just saying.
I would like to see Bond move back into solo movies (I think they probably will) with only little connections to past films. Craigs era is unique, leave it at that and let’s get back to Bond being Bond.
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Well, when that's all they surround him with, that's what you get. There is no other agent in the current run. Money Penny took over ALL those duties. Q only became gay with this last one but he pushed out ALL other tech info dump roles. The only role of another 00 agent is to be killed early on or turn bad. I'd rather Lynch go that route than be a chauffer to Bond yet again.
And last I checked Ana De Armas is both a woman AND a latina, interesting you don't consider her to be a minority as well.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Oh she's a minority... It's just she's not dark skinned and is generally considered conventionally attractive.
I think Lashana is very pretty and FINE but I understand that most Bond fans of Bond girls wouldn't think the same as me on her.
Whoa, are you using skin tone to gate minorities? And if so, how does a white actor playing a gay character even make that list?
Regardless of the appearance of Lynch, the role of another 00 is to die in service to Bond. Simple as that. I don't awant a buddy 00 movie, her to be called in at the end, or show up in ra Dom places and say "Need a ride 007?" because that is what she was reduced to in NTTD.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I agree that's how her character was reduced... It's like no other 00 agent can ever be as good as 007.
Gays are minorities as they aren't the majority... Straight people still outnumber them ...
Not gating the skin tone... At least I'm not trying to. It's just the darker skinned someone is, the less likely they're seen the same way as someone who's lighter skinned. It's an implicit bias a lot of people have. There's been studies on it but I don't want to further distract the thread.
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Tom Hiddleston
Or a completely new person
Or a completely new person
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Had a high brow conversation with my wife about the reasons why Henry would make an awsome Bond
It ended with her telling me I fancy him
'These' people who cant see the truth are mental.
It ended with her telling me I fancy him
'These' people who cant see the truth are mental.
Actually, with LGBT+++ numbers hitting 40% with the kiddos, the super straights MIGHT BE minorities soon enough
But yeah, I get you. The way they arced Naomi Harris' Moneypenny as a failed(?) field agent turned admin she will never just be the flirty secretary. I'm actually not sure how the brits appoint folks like M to know if Moneypenny COULD eventually rise to that position based on merit, making the "M" designator actually relevant (and was that hinted at with Dench as M?)
So if they are gonna go that route with her over the next 10 years, have her sort of assuming the info dump portions of Bond's briefs and eventually becoming M herself, I'll allow it. But I really miss the banter between a Bond and MP with good chemistry. MPs can often take the piss out of Bond and it shows a more playful side of Bond that can clash once he's in the shit on mission. That character has a part to play in a good Bond film. So I supppooooooose Harris can stay so long as they have real plans for her character.
Q being turned from "gadget guy" to "banging on a keyboard tech guy" is TRAVESTY though. These days "let me hack his cell phone over some starbucks and a scone to find out the next clue" is such a goddamn lazy writers trick, I almost turn off shows that resort to it. I don't need Q being as silly as Cleese (Llewelyn hit just the right amount of wry exasperation) but I would like Q more as engineer than cyberwarfare expert because I LIKE the gadgets. Maybe it's time to bring in a new member of the scooby gang, a petite asian lady with big glasses called "io" for 1/0, get it????
PendekarRajawali
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I'm not a racist but I don't think Bond should be played by a black actor.
DonJorginho
Banned
Tenet gave me all the faith needed that Robert Pattinson could nail the role as Bond.
Batman gave me all the faith needed that he couldn't.Tenet gave me all the faith needed that Robert Pattinson could nail the role as Bond.
Guy has some skills but he isn't menacing AT ALL. Heck, can he even be charming...other than to teenage girls and housewives?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
He's nearly 40? Not that young. It wouldn't be a bad thing to have a guy who could age into it.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Right? Idris Elba is already 50. And his first movie as Bond would be a few years out. Dude would've made a good Bond at one point, imo, but they already did the "He's too old. Needs to retire" shtick a few times with Craig. Go younger to start this time .
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Actually, with LGBT+++ numbers hitting 40% with the kiddos, the super straights MIGHT BE minorities soon enough
But yeah, I get you. The way they arced Naomi Harris' Moneypenny as a failed(?) field agent turned admin she will never just be the flirty secretary. I'm actually not sure how the brits appoint folks like M to know if Moneypenny COULD eventually rise to that position based on merit, making the "M" designator actually relevant (and was that hinted at with Dench as M?)
So if they are gonna go that route with her over the next 10 years, have her sort of assuming the info dump portions of Bond's briefs and eventually becoming M herself, I'll allow it. But I really miss the banter between a Bond and MP with good chemistry. MPs can often take the piss out of Bond and it shows a more playful side of Bond that can clash once he's in the shit on mission. That character has a part to play in a good Bond film. So I supppooooooose Harris can stay so long as they have real plans for her character.
Q being turned from "gadget guy" to "banging on a keyboard tech guy" is TRAVESTY though. These days "let me hack his cell phone over some starbucks and a scone to find out the next clue" is such a goddamn lazy writers trick, I almost turn off shows that resort to it. I don't need Q being as silly as Cleese (Llewelyn hit just the right amount of wry exasperation) but I would like Q more as engineer than cyberwarfare expert because I LIKE the gadgets. Maybe it's time to bring in a new member of the scooby gang, a petite asian lady with big glasses called "io" for 1/0, get it????
Bro... Get on their writing team! I'm so serious!
PrimetimeKnight
Member
BREAKING: MGM Studios is negotiating with Henry Cavill as the next James Bond 007!!
No word if he will return as Superman.
Also keep in mind he is working on the reboot of Highlander and other projects.
Honestly, I feel we have seen the last of a incredible Superman. Especially how
Warner Bros. is falling apart at the seams.
Is the source legitimate or just another rumor? Don't be getting my hopes up for this.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Tenet gave me all the faith needed that Robert Pattinson could nail the role as Bond.
Nah fuck that
DonJorginho
Banned
For the villain maybe.
He can play menacing imo, in The Devil All The Time he plays a real mean slimy fucker who you want to get their just desserts the entire film.
I think he can definitely be charming, in Tenet in the more light hearted scenes his banter was right at home with modern Craig and Brosnan comedic charm.
He's one of my favourite actors however so maybe I'm slightly biased.
Alter_Fridge
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The Kang dude. We need a black Bond
Ammogeddon
Member
I’ve gone with Rege Jean Page as I feel there’s a real push for a black Bond. Idris, sadly might be a little too old.
There are a few names not on the list but seeing Cillian Murphy piqued my interest. He’s got a unique vibe which might be great for a different kind of Bond.
There are a few names not on the list but seeing Cillian Murphy piqued my interest. He’s got a unique vibe which might be great for a different kind of Bond.
Guarantee that 95% of the folks screaming for a black Bond don't actually go to Bond films.
That Rege Page guy was as scary as wet cardboard in The Grey Man. If that was his "I can be a cool spy" audition he whiffed it, HARD. That he was acting opposite AdA for some scenes, fresh from KILLING IT in NTTD, made it even more obvious that he isn't the guy.
DragoonWalker
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All of them... in the same movie, like back in Casino Royale 1967:
But on topic, it shouldn't be anyone with a big reputation already. All Bonds were relatively unknown actors before Bond, should continue that.
Should've finished with Craig after Skyfall 2012 (perfect handoff) instead of Spectre 2015 (shit). Might have had 3 movies over the last 10 years with Elba already.
But on topic, it shouldn't be anyone with a big reputation already. All Bonds were relatively unknown actors before Bond, should continue that.
Joshmyersbv
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If their going to go with a black actor then make him an original character and just give him the 007 title.
Not many people are going to watch it if it's a black James Bond. It's going to piss most Bond fans off and it's going to suck. Give me Tom Hardy or Henry Cavill.
Not many people are going to watch it if it's a black James Bond. It's going to piss most Bond fans off and it's going to suck. Give me Tom Hardy or Henry Cavill.
Lady Jane
Banned
They might as well. At least their intentions to cave Bond's suave image will be clear.
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dr_octagon
Banned
Is Elliot playing both Bond and the Bond grill?
The film should be called 'Never Say My Name Again' or 'The World is Not Woke Enough'.
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with a black actor as Bond, just that most of the folks screeching for it just want 1 less white guy headlining a big movie, they want a black Terminator, black Superman, black Rambo, doesn't really matter and they don't watch this genre crap anyway.
Then there are the folks that just want Idris Elba in EVERYTHING. Kull the Conquorer? IDRIS! Flash Gordon? IDRIS! Pippy Longstockings? IDRIS!
Get the right actor and it won't matter. Though I think that first film would have to be SPECTACULAR. Connery just nailed it right out of the gate in Dr. No. Lazenby had a pretty good film in OHMSS but the backlash was too strong. Moore sailed in on the wings of The Saint. Dalton was another guy that struggled though I like him a lot. Brosnan had Remington Steele as well as a kick ass opener in Goldeneye. Craig had a LOT of resistance IIRC but Casino Royale was so danged good it carried him through 4 ok to outright trash films.
A non-traditional Bond would have to shoulder a lot more weight and take more abuse if the film was middling. Cavill, I think, would weather any complaints really well because he LOOKS LIKE BOND so that would deflect critique more towards the script or production. Plus we know he can do the role in his sleep, he's done it plenty of times already. An unknown actor would have to hit on all cylinders and I fear a non-white actor playing Bond would come across like someone doing an impersonation instead of a real character. There are a few that could do it I think and still keep that "rah rah for QUEEN and ENGLAND!" attitude whilst sipping Chateau Dublanc 1962 and preparing a martini.
It would eliminate a major Bond technique though, that of standing in for someone the bad guy needs but has never met. I guess in the digital age not knowing what someone looks like is already a stretch but if Bond shows up as an Indian woman that really narrows down the number of South African diamond smugglers she could be
Certainly something that could be addressed in the script I suppose.He could bring the franchise forward by bringing some of its lightheartedness back would be welcome.Tenet gave me all the faith needed that Robert Pattinson could nail the role as Bond.
He's done some action and the ladies like him, the bad guys don't.
Start with A View to a Kill if they're still recycling stories.
Some funny inside jokes to mine there.
Styles is another that could do this.
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Banjo64
cumsessed
If we aren’t being complete and utter fucktwits, there’s only one man with the complete package who can take over. A man who matches the character’s criteria. A man who has experience in the genre. Charming and sophisticated. Well endowed and handsome. A lethal assassin with his mind, spoken word and his Walther PPK.
Tams
Member
Cavill and make it light-hearted again. FFS, he pretty did it in The Man From U.N.C.L.E.
DC are down the toilet, and I'm sure he can fit The Witcher in there.
As for the story, well we have big bad Russia back, but with even more incompetence to play on for humour, and the CCP are asking for it too.
Film 1: Bond saves an ex-Soviet state from the evil clutches of Mother Russia who want to set off a nuclear bomb, but blame it on that state and finds out Russia are working with China (the PRC). Cooperating with a hot (obviously) female (obviously) secret agent from said ex-Soviet, of course.
Film 2: Bond works with a hot (obviously) female (obviously) secret agent from Taiwan to thwart a CCP plan to take out a British satellite.
DC are down the toilet, and I'm sure he can fit The Witcher in there.
As for the story, well we have big bad Russia back, but with even more incompetence to play on for humour, and the CCP are asking for it too.
Film 1: Bond saves an ex-Soviet state from the evil clutches of Mother Russia who want to set off a nuclear bomb, but blame it on that state and finds out Russia are working with China (the PRC). Cooperating with a hot (obviously) female (obviously) secret agent from said ex-Soviet, of course.
Film 2: Bond works with a hot (obviously) female (obviously) secret agent from Taiwan to thwart a CCP plan to take out a British satellite.
Tams
Member
I'm guessing they've just never had to and likely also not wanting to take risks diluting and exhausting the brand. A new Bond is an event.
There have been attempts. There was an animated TV series called James Bond Jr. at the start of the 90s that got one season. Note that in the 90s that were other connected TV shows put there, especially Marvel.
There are also Young James Bond books that, after quite a publisher push in the UK, have done alright and continue.
The success of Marvel though, has shown a universe of films is viable and people will continue to pay to watch it. Perhaps this is because of changes in society and technology.
I think you need to remember that until the MCU took off that no one had really tried to make a 'serious' universe of stories and characters that were ultimately seen as not serious.
Anyway, with Amazon ultimately in control now, I'm sure there are plans for a Bond and/or 00 Universe being cooked up.
tl;dr: Films are expensive to make and they just haven't wanted to risk it. A normal 007 Bond is a surefire profit maker.
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RJMacready73
Banned
Its gonna be this guy, great actor, young and could easily buff up for the role
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I'm not sure there are enough good ideas for more than just bond. Hitting the right tone, a plausible bad guy, new stunts, a different but still charismatic lead....might be beyond Eon or whoever is running the show now.
Bond is the ultra premium experience, would anyone accept a lower shelf version? If that was the POC or female agent?
On the one hand it might nice for a lower budget and more risk to add variety to get fed back into the main series.
On the other hand the core concept of Bond is that he ISN'T part of an operational team other than maybe some local agents on the turf he's working in. If he needs to assault a compound, he calls in the SAS, SBS, or marines, not all the other 00s. Bond is called in for the end stage assassination using his License to Kill, or put on low yield high risk ops that need a lot of independent latitude for action. Any other 00 in the film is gonna be killed laying the groundwork for the mission, turn traitor, or get orders to kill Bond at some point. Or just drive him around from A to B to C and then get denied a proper death to allow Bond to vanish with his family and realize he isn't the only person that can save England (fuuuuck I hated the ending to NTTD).
I'm open to sly allusions to other 00s (like it could be cool if Bond calls Lynch to get info on a target in her area of operations ) but they shouldnt be used as deux ex machinas IMHO, they are better used as fridges.
Bond is the ultra premium experience, would anyone accept a lower shelf version? If that was the POC or female agent?
On the one hand it might nice for a lower budget and more risk to add variety to get fed back into the main series.
On the other hand the core concept of Bond is that he ISN'T part of an operational team other than maybe some local agents on the turf he's working in. If he needs to assault a compound, he calls in the SAS, SBS, or marines, not all the other 00s. Bond is called in for the end stage assassination using his License to Kill, or put on low yield high risk ops that need a lot of independent latitude for action. Any other 00 in the film is gonna be killed laying the groundwork for the mission, turn traitor, or get orders to kill Bond at some point. Or just drive him around from A to B to C and then get denied a proper death to allow Bond to vanish with his family and realize he isn't the only person that can save England (fuuuuck I hated the ending to NTTD).
I'm open to sly allusions to other 00s (like it could be cool if Bond calls Lynch to get info on a target in her area of operations ) but they shouldnt be used as deux ex machinas IMHO, they are better used as fridges.
DragoonWalker
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Not quite the same, but lucky for us Ana De Armas is getting her own John Wick spin off.
