Why doe Jurassic Park look better than any movie released today?

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Xeke said:
Yeah I mean what is it? 20 years from the end of ROTS and A New Hope? Technology couldn't have possibly declined that much across an entire galaxy in 20 years.
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The technology didn't disappear. The later episodes focused on rebels fighting on the fringes of space using ships and weapons pieced together from scraps against mass produced imperial war machines. Neither was designed to be sleek and fancy like the stuff from the old republic era.

Prequels still suck though. :P

Also, JP blu-ray fucking where.
 
Willy105 said:
Yeah, but it's impressive considering it's all CGI. It's a big leap over what Episode 3 achieved.
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I deviated a bit but my original point is why EpI looks better then EpII-III. From a hardware perspective.
 
I never did understand the backlash for this film.

Some say it's not as good as the book. Some say it's not as good as JAWS. I've even come across a guy who didn't like it because it wasn't like the Jurassic Park action figure commercials that aired on tv when he was a kid.

Whatever the case, the film stands on it's own and it's aged very, very well.
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
I never did understand the backlash for this film.

Some say it's not as good as the book. Some say it's not as good as JAWS. I've even come across a guy who didn't like it because it wasn't like the Jurassic Park action figure commercials that aired on tv when he was a kid.

Whatever the case, the film stands on it's own and it's aged very, very well.
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I never understood the backlash either. Probably the greatest and most anticipated popcorn-flick experience I've ever had at the theater.
 
I love Jurassic Park. The FX's only flaw is that sometimes the dinos do come off a little robotic but overall it really does look great. CGI, at least when it's used a lot in a movie like the new Star Wars trilogy, ages very fast. What looks good today will most likely look like shit in a couple years. Hopefully Hollywood will take a turn in the right direction and lay off the fake shit a little bit and do what Spiebergs did with JP1.
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
I never did understand the backlash for this film.

Some say it's not as good as the book. Some say it's not as good as JAWS. I've even come across a guy who didn't like it because it wasn't like the Jurassic Park action figure commercials that aired on tv when he was a kid.

Whatever the case, the film stands on it's own and it's aged very, very well.
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There was backlash for JP1? I've never heard this. JP2 people hated, I still loved it though.
 
Darklord said:
There was backlash for JP1? I've never heard this. JP2 people hated, I still loved it though.
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Yeah, long after JP came out there was some backlash against it.

JP2 had much more, of course. And that's another movie that doesn't deserve as much as it gets. True, it isn't as good a film as the first. But it's still great. People often cite the scene where the T-Rex runs around in California as one of the reasons the film is terrible. But that was the absolute best part of the movie for me! Ehh, whatever.
 
Zombie James said:
The novel was much better in that area.
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Doesn't the Sir Richard Attenborough get taken out by those little green dinos? They should have kept that in the movie, for sure.
 
Snuggler said:
Doesn't the Sir Richard Attenborough get taken out by those little green dinos? They should have kept that in the movie, for sure.
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Nearly everyone died in the novel. The only survivors were Grant, Elly, the two kids, and Muldoon. Hammond was eaten after failing down a ledge by the little compy's and Malcolm ultimately succumbs to his injuries from the T-Rex attack.
 
Snuggler said:
Doesn't the Sir Richard Attenborough get taken out by those little green dinos? They should have kept that in the movie, for sure.
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Well Hammond was hardly a Sir Richard Attenborough type character in the book, though.

And this thread with the constant "pterodactyl" and "brontosaurus" nonsense is just driving me up the wall.
 
DrForester said:
Nearly everyone died in the novel. The only survivors were Grant, Elly, the two kids, and Muldoon. Hammond was eaten after failing down a ledge by the little compy's and Malcolm ultimately succumb to his injuries from the T-Rex attack.
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Muldoon survives? Damn, the novel really did play out better than the movie.
'cept I would have been pretty bummed about Goldblum dying.
 
Snuggler said:
Muldoon survives? Damn, the novel really did play out better than the movie.
'cept I would have been pretty bummed about Goldblum dying.
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You weren't the only one apparently. When the movie guys finally talked Crichton into writing a sequel that he never wanted to write (and then only used one scene from the book in the movie), they had him retecon Malcolm s death in a very sloppy way, literally going for a Princess Bride joke and saying he was only "mostly dead" (Which failed to explain how he survived the first island being blown up in the book, but its pretty clear reading book 2 that Crichton didn't care at all).

Also worth noting they changed a lot about the characters appearances and character in the book.

Grant loved dealing with kids
Grant was much older and was not romantically involved with Elly
Kids ages were reversed, and Alex was pretty much useless (Tim was the PC geek and Dinosaur guy)
Malcolm was black and kind of stocky
Hammond was a bit more shrewd than the kindly grandfather in the film.
 
Maybe it was the acting? I know that, for me, Sam O'Neil's reaction to the sight of the first dinosaur sold the special effects almost more than the special effects did.
 
Still ILM's best work, given the context.

Also, the 2nd and third movies use the same CG/Robot combo.

First is still the best, bu tI actually LOVED the third movie. Second was very meh.
 
Mrs. Manky said:
Maybe it was the acting? I know that, for me, Sam O'Neil's reaction to the sight of the first dinosaur sold the special effects almost more than the special effects did.
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Sam Neill does a great job of this when he stares through the page and into the abyss in In the Mouth of Madness.
 
Darklord said:
Something real will always look better than something CG.
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Eventually Favreau and the studio couldn't tell the practical suit apart from the CG, and at several points mistook the practical one as the CG suit.

And to get a Davey Jones look down you're going to need one hell of a costume maker, makeup artist, and puppeteer crew given the sets they would have to navigate.

Is the fact that something is CG automatically make it better? Of course not. The reverse generalization you're making isn't true either.
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
Yeah, long after JP came out there was some backlash against it.

JP2 had much more, of course. And that's another movie that doesn't deserve as much as it gets. True, it isn't as good a film as the first. But it's still great. People often cite the scene where the T-Rex runs around in California as one of the reasons the film is terrible. But that was the absolute best part of the movie for me! Ehh, whatever.
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Long after? There were always some complaints about JP1. The casting was weak in some places, the kids especially were godawful. The plot changes were strange. The cliffhanger ending was removed.

Still a great movie, with some iconic scenes, buts let's not pretend it's any where near Raiders or Jaws as far as Spielberg is concerned.
 
DrForester said:
Malcolm was black and kind of stocky
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Ok, not to derail this already derailed thread, but for the life of me I can't remember any reference to Malcolm being black, and I've read the original multiple times.

Also, in terms of movie/book differences you mentioned above, in the book Genaro survived too. He went down into the Nests with Grant and Ellie. I also think there were a few anonymous park workers who survived but didn't really get mentioned.

... Didn't Doctor Harding make it out too?

I also seem to recall them not really clearly saying Malcolm died, just kind of ambiguously saying "probably" or something like that. I do agree bringing him back for a second book was bullshit, but I don't remember them saying yes or no either way.
 
Tobor said:
Long after? There were always some complaints about JP1. The casting was weak in some places, the kids especially were godawful. The plot changes were strange. The cliffhanger ending was removed.

Still a great movie, with some iconic scenes, buts let's not pretend it's any where near Raiders or Jaws as far as Spielberg is concerned.
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No, Jaws and Raiders(as well as E.T.) are unmatched.

But Jurassic Park is still a classic. A flawed classic, but still.
 
Retro said:
Ok, not to derail this already derailed thread, but for the life of me I can't remember any reference to Malcolm being black, and I've read the original multiple times.

Also, in terms of movie/book differences you mentioned above, in the book Genaro survived too.
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I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in his character profile when he was introduced. Admittedly it's been a while so I could be wrong.

Forgot about Genero surviving. It was that other character they totally wrote out of the movie that was eaten on the toilet (think his name was Ed?).
 
SonicMegaDrive said:
No, Jaws and Raiders(as well as E.T.) are unmatched.

But Jurassic Park is still a classic. A flawed classic, but still.
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Flawed classic is a great summation. Agreed.

Those kid actors were total balls, though. ;)
 
Tobor said:
Flawed classic is a great summation. Agreed.

Those kid actors were total balls, though. ;)
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The kids are ridiculous, their behavior in the T-Rex scene always bothered me, though i guess the script takes some of the blame there. I just hate the way the girl fumbles with the flashlight. Seems like a kid of her age would know to not do that, etc.

I understand that kids would go into shock in that situation, but its like they do everything at every moment to impede the progress of the adults around them. /rant
 
DrForester said:
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in his character profile when he was introduced. Admittedly it's been a while so I could be wrong.

Forgot about Genero surviving. It was that other character they totally wrote out of the movie that was eaten on the toilet (think his name was Ed?).
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Ed Regis, he was the PR Guy who basically took the role of Genaro in the film.

I just flipped through my paperback copy, I can't see any mention of Malcolm being black (DRESSING in black), and when the rep from the US Embassy is talking to Grant, all he does is shake his head in reference to Malcolm, so I guess if you wanted to be technical, he could have meant "No idea" or "No, he's dead"... still, like I said... BS.

I also think the second movie would have been MUCH better had they stuck to the book. It had some great set pieces in it.
 
Retro said:
Ed Regis, he was the PR Guy who basically took the role of Genaro in the film.

I just flipped through my paperback copy, I can't see any mention of Malcolm being black (DRESSING in black), and when the rep from the US Embassy is talking to Grant, all he does is shake his head in reference to Malcolm, so I guess if you wanted to be technical, he could have meant "No idea" or "No, he's dead"... still, like I said... BS.

I also think the second movie would have been MUCH better had they stuck to the book. It had some great set pieces in it.
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Must have confused that line then. He was killed in the first book though and you find out befor ethey get back to the mainland. Grant asks Muldoon right before they get on the helicopter off the island if Malcolm made it and Muldoon shakes his head.
 
Tobor said:
Flawed classic is a great summation. Agreed.

Those kid actors were total balls, though. ;)
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The part that bothered me the most was when the girl ran hysterically towards the door to shut out the raptor.

That was some...strange acting.
 
DrForester said:
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in his character profile when he was introduced. Admittedly it's been a while so I could be wrong.

Forgot about Genero surviving. It was that other character they totally wrote out of the movie that was eaten on the toilet (think his name was Ed?).
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If I remember correctly Malcolm was white, he just liked wearing all black.

Genero was kind of cool in the book. The second book took care of that though by mentioning offhand how he died of dysentery.

edit: late, also I seem to remember Muldoon being black in the book, but I could be wrong.
 
Damn this movie is great. That T-Rex scene was amazing.

Why are there so few movies about goddamn dinosaurs!? They are awesome! How do we have movie about intergalactic blue furries, but we cant get any decent dinosaur movies the last ten years?
 
Tobor said:
Long after? There were always some complaints about JP1. The casting was weak in some places, the kids especially were godawful. The plot changes were strange. The cliffhanger ending was removed.

Still a great movie, with some iconic scenes, buts let's not pretend it's any where near Raiders or Jaws as far as Spielberg is concerned.
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Raiders can't compare Jurassic Park.
 
xeke, is there anything you like about the modern day?

anywhoo, i remember the dinos skin looking good but the creatures moving in a robotic way, maybe i need to see it again though.

either way it was definitely impressive for it's time
 
watching it on sci fi now, reliving my childhood.

this movie continues to be fuck-awesome. i love it. i want a blu ray release NOW.
 
lawblob said:
Why are there so few movies about goddamn dinosaurs!? They are awesome! How do we have movie about intergalactic blue furries, but we cant get any decent dinosaur movies the last ten years?
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The JP sequels killed it
 
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these look great, but they're pictures. movies are moving pictures, where cg typically has a major advantage.

cg should be avoided if possible if the scene doesnt have much motion going on, but otherwise cg full blast.

come to think of it, how did the last cg vs puppets thread go? i should look it up.
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-COOLIO- said:
xeke, is there anything you like about the modern day?

anywhoo, i remember the dinos skin looking good but the creatures moving in a robotic way, maybe i need to see it again though.

either way it was definitely impressive for it's time
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Yeah, I loved Avatar, the internet, Mario Galaxy, my ipod touch.:lol Don't get my wrong, I don't hate new movies, but I just think Jurassic Park looks more convincing in a lot of areas.

The modern day is great! Except for a lot of things. I generally think lots of new movies lack the charm of movies before CG was used for the vast majority of the movie.
 
As bad as a lot of movies are today, film is probably the one facet of popular entertainment in our culture that has suffered the least in since around the turn of the century.

There are still tons of great movies being made on a regular basis.
 
The CG is a mixed bag. Certain parts look really out-dated like the Brontosaurus shot.


Oh and recent films have used practical effects really well.

Pretty much every long shot in Shutter Island was a physical Model mixed with compositing.
 
Kodiak said:
The CG is a mixed bag. Certain parts look really out-dated like the Brontosaurus shot.


Oh and recent films have used practical effects really well.

Pretty much every long shot in Shutter Island was a physical Model mixed with compositing.
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Uh oh. Get ready for the Dino nerds to tell you how wrong you are.
 
-COOLIO- said:
these look great, but they're pictures. movies are moving pictures, where cg typically has a major advantage.
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What? CG is usually at it's worst when it's in motion. Motion is always the dead giveaway.
 
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